The Pursuit of Victory — 1821 AH [OPEN] [OOC]

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

Most non-Italians would be pissy, yes.

I mean Transylvania is Orthodox so tbh we don't give a fuck.

But logically Spain, France, and well anything else that is Catholic (since they are all kingdoms keep in mind) should be rather pissed.

France is actually. If the Pope is hostage of the Italian government, the Italians will pay. And will pay with more than pasta.

^ That was just ICly. I love the Italians in RL (But I still think Napoleon is French, sorry).

[Mishmahig]

Why? We don't interfere with matters of Religion, Italy is Secular.

That's exactly why.

I presume at least a noticable portion of Catholics would like an independent Papal State similar to the modern Vatican.

Bam, independence. Except he's still under the control of the Italian government.

Are we done?

[Caltarania]

Most non-Italians would be pissy, yes.

I mean Transylvania is Orthodox so tbh we don't give a fuck.

But logically Spain, France, and well anything else that is Catholic (since they are all kingdoms keep in mind) should be rather pissed.

France is actually. If the Pope is hostage of the Italian government, the Italians will pay. And will pay with more than pasta.

^ That was just ICly. I love the Italians in RL (But I still think Napoleon is French, sorry).

What did Napoleon think he was?

There's your answer as to what he was.

[Caltarania]

That's exactly why.

I presume at least a noticable portion of Catholics would like an independent Papal State similar to the modern Vatican.

Bam, independence. Except he's still under the control of the Italian government.

Are we done?

Nah this is way too enjoyable.

[Alcase]

We should have Papal elections

with Cardinals from each of the Catholic nations

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

If Italy controls the Pope, France will do one of the following:

- Elect its own Pope. -> I don't really want to do this one, though.
- Declare the Pope as a hostage of the Italian Government

You can do that. I would assume that, in 1821, you'd have better things to do.

Do I? 90% of the world ignores me, I need to find a hobby

[Mishmahig]

We should have Papal elections

with Cardinals from each of the Catholic nations

Italy would win.

And then every other country would throw a shit-fest 'cuz they didn't win.

Bam, independence. Except he's still under the control of the Italian government.

Are we done?

Nah this is way too enjoyable.

It's irritating, is what it is.

Anyway, I look forward to seeing what Garwall does to England.

[Alcase]

We should have Papal elections

with Cardinals from each of the Catholic nations

Italy would win.

And then every other country would throw a shit-fest 'cuz they didn't win.

Nah this is way too enjoyable.

It's irritating, is what it is.

Anyway, I look forward to seeing what Garwall does to England.

I remember watching some show where they had papal elections and, when the English Cardinal was going to be elected, someone said, "We had an English pope once... It was horrible."

I don't know... I thought that was funny

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

France is actually. If the Pope is hostage of the Italian government, the Italians will pay. And will pay with more than pasta.

^ That was just ICly. I love the Italians in RL (But I still think Napoleon is French, sorry).

What did Napoleon think he was?

There's your answer as to what he was.

"The Mediterranean island of Corsica had come under French jurisdiction shortly before Napoleon’s birth in 1769. Its dramatic landscape and distinctive culture, characterised by strong family ties and volatile feuds, are often held to have shaped Napoleon’s nature and values. Sent to school in France at the age of eight on a scholarship for the sons of impoverished noble families, he was teased for his Corsican accent and poor grasp of French, and seems to have gained a reputation as brusque and aloof. Although in later life he would insist that he considered himself French rather than Corsican, the young Napoleone Buonaparte, as he spelled his name until 1796, clung to his roots: he continued to see himself as Corsican, was hostile to French rule in Corsica, and sought involvement in Corsican politics. It was, however, Corsican politics that forced Napoleon and his family to flee to France in 1793. The culture that had shaped his youth and marked him as an outsider in France now cast him off, throwing into question his identity and his place in the world. That he found one is due at least partly to his zeal for knowledge."

Source: http://www.historytoday.com/gemma-betros/napoleon-man Section: From Corsica to Consul

There. Are we done? He saw himself as French and as Corsican (not Italian, Corsican). Issue is over.

[Mishmahig]

What did Napoleon think he was?

There's your answer as to what he was.

"The Mediterranean island of Corsica had come under French jurisdiction shortly before Napoleon’s birth in 1769. Its dramatic landscape and distinctive culture, characterised by strong family ties and volatile feuds, are often held to have shaped Napoleon’s nature and values. Sent to school in France at the age of eight on a scholarship for the sons of impoverished noble families, he was teased for his Corsican accent and poor grasp of French, and seems to have gained a reputation as brusque and aloof. Although in later life he would insist that he considered himself French rather than Corsican, the young Napoleone Buonaparte, as he spelled his name until 1796, clung to his roots: he continued to see himself as Corsican, was hostile to French rule in Corsica, and sought involvement in Corsican politics. It was, however, Corsican politics that forced Napoleon and his family to flee to France in 1793. The culture that had shaped his youth and marked him as an outsider in France now cast him off, throwing into question his identity and his place in the world. That he found one is due at least partly to his zeal for knowledge."

Source: http://www.historytoday.com/gemma-betros/napoleon-man Section: From Corsica to Consul

There. Are we done? He saw himself as French and as Corsican (not Italian, Corsican). Issue is over.

We already agreed that he's Russian.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

"The Mediterranean island of Corsica had come under French jurisdiction shortly before Napoleon’s birth in 1769. Its dramatic landscape and distinctive culture, characterised by strong family ties and volatile feuds, are often held to have shaped Napoleon’s nature and values. Sent to school in France at the age of eight on a scholarship for the sons of impoverished noble families, he was teased for his Corsican accent and poor grasp of French, and seems to have gained a reputation as brusque and aloof. Although in later life he would insist that he considered himself French rather than Corsican, the young Napoleone Buonaparte, as he spelled his name until 1796, clung to his roots: he continued to see himself as Corsican, was hostile to French rule in Corsica, and sought involvement in Corsican politics. It was, however, Corsican politics that forced Napoleon and his family to flee to France in 1793. The culture that had shaped his youth and marked him as an outsider in France now cast him off, throwing into question his identity and his place in the world. That he found one is due at least partly to his zeal for knowledge."

Source: http://www.historytoday.com/gemma-betros/napoleon-man Section: From Corsica to Consul

There. Are we done? He saw himself as French and as Corsican (not Italian, Corsican). Issue is over.

We already agreed that he's Russian.

You have Peter The great and Catherine The Great

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

What did Napoleon think he was?

There's your answer as to what he was.

"The Mediterranean island of Corsica had come under French jurisdiction shortly before Napoleon’s birth in 1769. Its dramatic landscape and distinctive culture, characterised by strong family ties and volatile feuds, are often held to have shaped Napoleon’s nature and values. Sent to school in France at the age of eight on a scholarship for the sons of impoverished noble families, he was teased for his Corsican accent and poor grasp of French, and seems to have gained a reputation as brusque and aloof. Although in later life he would insist that he considered himself French rather than Corsican, the young Napoleone Buonaparte, as he spelled his name until 1796, clung to his roots: he continued to see himself as Corsican, was hostile to French rule in Corsica, and sought involvement in Corsican politics. It was, however, Corsican politics that forced Napoleon and his family to flee to France in 1793. The culture that had shaped his youth and marked him as an outsider in France now cast him off, throwing into question his identity and his place in the world. That he found one is due at least partly to his zeal for knowledge."

Source: http://www.historytoday.com/gemma-betros/napoleon-man Section: From Corsica to Consul

There. Are we done? He saw himself as French and as Corsican (not Italian, Corsican). Issue is over.

Corsicans are Italian, they speak a Dialect of Italian, and their culture is Italian.

[Mishmahig]

Oh. My. God.

For this, Russia is eternally at war with both France and Italy.

Y'all deserve it.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

"The Mediterranean island of Corsica had come under French jurisdiction shortly before Napoleon’s birth in 1769. Its dramatic landscape and distinctive culture, characterised by strong family ties and volatile feuds, are often held to have shaped Napoleon’s nature and values. Sent to school in France at the age of eight on a scholarship for the sons of impoverished noble families, he was teased for his Corsican accent and poor grasp of French, and seems to have gained a reputation as brusque and aloof. Although in later life he would insist that he considered himself French rather than Corsican, the young Napoleone Buonaparte, as he spelled his name until 1796, clung to his roots: he continued to see himself as Corsican, was hostile to French rule in Corsica, and sought involvement in Corsican politics. It was, however, Corsican politics that forced Napoleon and his family to flee to France in 1793. The culture that had shaped his youth and marked him as an outsider in France now cast him off, throwing into question his identity and his place in the world. That he found one is due at least partly to his zeal for knowledge."

Source: http://www.historytoday.com/gemma-betros/napoleon-man Section: From Corsica to Consul

There. Are we done? He saw himself as French and as Corsican (not Italian, Corsican). Issue is over.

Corsicans are Italian, they speak a Dialect of Italian, and their culture is Italian.

Ok, dude, really stop. Issue is over. He saw himself as French and Corsican, he never mention Italy. Just let it go. Because a region has a culture and language similar to another country, it does not make that region automatically part of the country.

Napoleon sees himself as French and Corsican, now let him rest in Peace and move on. If you see him as Italian, it is your choice, as far as I am concerned most of the World (and even himself) do not.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Oh. My. God.

For this, Russia is eternally at war with both France and Italy.

Y'all deserve it.

I will impale them with you.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

Oh. My. God.

For this, Russia is eternally at war with both France and Italy.

Y'all deserve it.

I will impale them with you.

Lol, I will stop now

[Alcase]

THE WORLD DECLARES WAR ON FRANCE AND ITALY OVER DETERMINING WHAT NATIONALITY NAPOLEON IS

[Mishmahig]

Oh. My. God.

For this, Russia is eternally at war with both France and Italy.

Y'all deserve it.

I will impale them with you.

Good. We'll deal with Scandinavia, and then get access through Germany to crush them.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

I will impale them with you.

Good. We'll deal with Scandinavia, and then get access through Germany to crush them.

No, no. It's ok

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

THE WORLD DECLARES WAR ON FRANCE AND ITALY OVER DETERMINING WHAT NATIONALITY NAPOLEON IS

Ok

[Valentir]

America declares war on Italy and France. We will Manifest you until you can be Manifested no more.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

America declares war on Italy and France. We will Manifest you until you can be Manifested no more.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

America declares war on Italy and France. We will Manifest you until you can be Manifested no more.

Lol Scrub, com at muh u amerikanz

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

Damn it. I just realized the Arc de Triomphe is not completely finished. I need to finish it.

[Mishmahig]

Damn it. I just realized the Arc de Triomphe is not completely finished. I need to finish it.

By the time it's finished, you'll need to rename it the Триумфальная арка, for it will belong to Mother Russia...