Guns of Our Forefathers II (OOC, Signups)

[Liecthenbourg]

britain stronk #1

Hey Kry.
There's an app, Zimbabwean Empire I believe, that I wasn't sure what to do with.

[Caltarania]

I actually don't know exactly what to say, but what really is on my mind is to keep what can be kept, and get what I can have. With that logic I can emanate through Stanislaw's policies, it will change the direction of Poland from being nobility-controlled to nobility-shared government with the King and his people.

For some reason, this long essay will be disregarded with "I'll eat Poland" logic, I'm very sure something or someone will urge the Polish peoples to rise and reunite the country once more. And once that struck of nationalism ensued in the former Polish territories, even without a Polish line infantry marching to the enemy ground to satisfy his enemies' hunger for death, will surely be both sides' loss at the end.

With that, let me include that the new Polish government is undergoing an anti-corruption campaign, meaning a self-reboot since the King has awaken from the troubles of his state. But then again, this reunification is aimed to be as peaceful as possible, even to the extent that the 1) war-hungry Prussians and Russians are wanting to rape Poland for no logical reason. 2) Actually, Russia SHOULD maintain Poland because Poland serves as a buffer state between her and the rest of Europe, since Russia IOTL is too careful to intervene in the interests of the West. But I'm sure this is not the case ITTL, and I see both Russia and Prussia as land-hungry dogs wanting to eat a small piece of Polish land.

3) Well, I dare you two -ussias. What kind of a sensible illogical mind would hunger for a piece of land? Why not attack your more powerful neighbors? Scared of a world war because you see Poland so weak and undefended? Hey, I'm not the bully here, noh? I am very astonished with the logic you apply in this RP, and that's for -ussias. I commend you for such great thing indeed.

4) And another thing, you can help me suggest what to do after being defeated as Poland in this RP. On the top of my mind, I'm imagining myself just reading posts, needless to reply. Oh well, lesson learned for me for fitting in into a territory I just considered to pick because Persia was out.

5) Damn, if I had only reserved Persia seven hours ahead of Neros, who is inactive right now, I should have never brought myself to a divulgence of researching ways how to defeat big land blobs.

Well, that's my thoughts for some reason. Hope you don't mind.

Quacking starts now.

1) Prussia isn't war hungry, more so opportunistic. Poland will be weak while it reforms, and the power of the breadbasket of Europe is, as I said before, a very good reason to go to war.
2) Prussia and Russia are to be negotiating an alliance, though. When that happens, their border with Europe is almost entirely safe except for Poland and Austria.
3) War isn't a game. War is a matter of life and death. Even in this period where the individual life is only held sacred for Kings and Popes, war is not something which is seen as a joke. Why would, in any logical world, Prussia decide to wage a terribly expensive and possibly fatal war against the Bourbons or Brits, when Poland still exists to be exploited?
4) Poland won't be 'out' for a long time.
5) If Neros doesn't post in the IC soon I think his lands will be opened up anyway.

britain stronk #1

So, is your leader an Emperor or still a King?

[Rephesus]

Prussia and Russia would do well to remember they already own parts of Poland. Parts that are very unhappy and would be even more displeased upon another invasion of their homeland.

[Snovatgatovia]

Step 1: Invade Poland
step 2: unleash the wrath of 3 major powers
step 3: Europe burns and we're both destroyed
step 4: ???
step 5: Profit!

[Caltarania]

Prussia and Russia would do well to remember they already own parts of Poland. Parts that are very unhappy and would be even more displeased upon another invasion of their homeland.

What better way to quell rebellions than to move troops near them for a possible invasion.

The Reichsprovinz which still hold a Polish majority in Prussia are Silesia and Krakow. And even then, they've experienced a lot of German migrated. Prussia proper has only a Polish minority. The great thing about delegating power to smaller institutions is that for the most part they're able to deal with it themselves. Should things get out of hand, though, we will send in the Boys in Blue.

Step 1: Invade Poland
step 2: unleash the wrath of 3 major powers
step 3: Europe burns and we're both destroyed
step 4: ???
step 5: Profit!

No.

Because, as I said, the Bourbons, Austrians and Italians have no strong reason - if any - to defend Poland where they to be attacked.

[Snovatgatovia]

While you make a compelling argument that (if you'd believe it) I have already thought myself when it comes down to it the papacy doesn't like losing power or influence especially now that its hayday is behind it. Austro-Germany and Prussia would likely be mutually destroyed in the event that war ever broke out between them, this I don't doubt. On the other hand the Bourbons, with their massive new world empire, could easily afford to have some fertile lands decimated if it meant they could exploit Prussia for all it's worth afterword.

Italy and Russia on the other hand are the two i'm not quite sure of. Russia has always been a fan of bullying/taking over Poland but with the deterrence of 3 major world powers would they still think it is worth it? Italy on the other hand has absolutely no reason to be involved other than to:

A.preserve the influence of the papacy

and

B.weaken all of its neighbors simultaneously as it is doubtful their lands would ever see any fighting.

All we're really doing here is speculating (which is important before we do anything IC) but I could see this being a huge mess for you and me while other world powers reaps the benefits. I'm not trying to "win the game" and conquer the world I just want to see new and interesting geo-political circumstances regardless of how it affects Austro-Germany.

Could you try thinking about everyone else rather than focusing your sick mapfapping fantasies?

[Kryskov]

I've seen it, but perhaps Kry wants you to expand on things. I'm not him, I don't know. Buj already addressed some things you could expand upon, like Pro-Africanism

I did, but he went inactive. Just want him to review it now that it's changed

Indeed, could you perhaps elaborate on your ideologies that some of us are less inclined to know about?

[Caltarania]

While you make a compelling argument that (if you'd believe it) I have already thought myself when it comes down to it the papacy doesn't like losing power or influence especially now that its hayday is behind it. Austro-Germany and Prussia would likely be mutually destroyed in the event that war ever broke out between them, this I don't doubt. On the other hand the Bourbons, with their massive new world empire, could easily afford to have some fertile lands decimated if it meant they could exploit Prussia for all it's worth afterword.

Italy and Russia on the other hand are the two i'm not quite sure of. Russia has always been a fan of bullying/taking over Poland but with the deterrence of 3 major world powers would they still think it is worth it? Italy on the other hand has absolutely no reason to be involved other than to:

A.preserve the influence of the papacy

and

B.weaken all of its neighbors simultaneously as it is doubtful their lands would ever see any fighting.

All we're really doing here is speculating (which is important before we do anything IC) but I could see this being a huge mess for you and me while other world powers reaps the benefits. I'm not trying to "win the game" and conquer the world I just want to see new and interesting geo-political circumstances regardless of how it affects Austro-Germany.

Could you try thinking about everyone else rather than focusing your sick mapfapping fantasies?

I did read it. I felt there was nothing for me to reply to it about.

And, excuse me, but I think you're mixing IC and OOC. Just because we're rivals ICly does not mean you have to treat me like shit OOCly, and visa versa. Quite the opposite, actually, we should talk about the dynamics of our rivalry - including if the HRE still exists and if so who holds the title of Emperor. If you're going to talk to me as if I am somehow lower than you, though, I doubt we will be able to get along.

[Liecthenbourg]

While you make a compelling argument that (if you'd believe it) I have already thought myself when it comes down to it the papacy doesn't like losing power or influence especially now that its hayday is behind it. Austro-Germany and Prussia would likely be mutually destroyed in the event that war ever broke out between them, this I don't doubt. On the other hand the Bourbons, with their massive new world empire, could easily afford to have some fertile lands decimated if it meant they could exploit Prussia for all it's worth afterword.

Italy and Russia on the other hand are the two i'm not quite sure of. Russia has always been a fan of bullying/taking over Poland but with the deterrence of 3 major world powers would they still think it is worth it? Italy on the other hand has absolutely no reason to be involved other than to:

A.preserve the influence of the papacy

and

B.weaken all of its neighbors simultaneously as it is doubtful their lands would ever see any fighting.

All we're really doing here is speculating (which is important before we do anything IC) but I could see this being a huge mess for you and me while other world powers reaps the benefits. I'm not trying to "win the game" and conquer the world I just want to see new and interesting geo-political circumstances regardless of how it affects Austro-Germany.

Could you try thinking about everyone else rather than focusing your sick mapfapping fantasies?

Keep it civil, gentlemen.
None of this OOC and IC mixing, cause that never ends well.

[Quirina]

Although it's a challenge, it's too much to bear that I will have to suffer much of the consequences because I'm not Persia.

Well, I'm here in Warsaw, playing tick-tack-toe if I'll survive this RP.

Eat me -ussies.

[Mishmahig]

Keep it civil, gentlemen.
None of this OOC and IC mixing, cause that never ends well.

This.

I would suggest, instead of continuing this discussion OOC, you all post IC or wait for others to post IC.

Please tone it down (for all sides involved).

[Jordslag]

I have no life
Yellow = Catholicism
Purple = Protestantism
Orange = Eastern Orthodox
Green = Islam
The Darkest Red = Animism (I know the Americas would be vastly this, atleast North, but I frankly couldn't be fucked )
Other Red = Hinduism
Blue = Buddhism

Finland must be upside down.

The Lapps, my ruling Ethnicity, is Catholic, and they live in Northern Sweden and Finland. The Suomi, my Dominated Ethnicity, lives in Central Sweden and Southern Finland.

[Caltarania]

Keep it civil, gentlemen.
None of this OOC and IC mixing, cause that never ends well.

This.

I would suggest, instead of continuing this discussion OOC, you all post IC or wait for others to post IC.

Please tone it down (for all sides involved).

Agreed, thank you for your considerate mediation.

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In other news, I am writing my factbook so bear with me.

[Quirina]

I'm cam, Just watching how it will all went.

AND I'm tired (RL like only having 2 hours of sleep while it's already late night here, reading posts meant to 'encourage' you to 'continue' the RP I tried to fit into).

[Liecthenbourg]

I have no life
Yellow = Catholicism
Purple = Protestantism
Orange = Eastern Orthodox
Green = Islam
The Darkest Red = Animism (I know the Americas would be vastly this, atleast North, but I frankly couldn't be fucked )
Other Red = Hinduism
Blue = Buddhism

Finland must be upside down.

The Lapps, my ruling Ethnicity, is Catholic, and they live in Northern Sweden and Finland. The Suomi, my Dominated Ethnicity, lives in Central Sweden and Southern Finland.

I'll edit later.

[Rephesus]

The Papacy has a vested interest in Poland. As the Catholic nation in Eastern Europe between the Protestant and Orthodo heretics, the fall of Poland would be a crushing blow to the spirits of all Catholics, plus it would negatively affect Catholic Austrians, aswell as isolate Catholic Finns. We wont stand for the systematic oppression of Catholics under a Russian regime. Want a casus belli? there it is. That goes for any catholic nation.

#DefenderOfTheFaith

[Valentir]

The Papacy has a vested interest in Poland. As the Catholic nation in Eastern Europe between the Protestant and Orthodo heretics, the fall of Poland would be a crushing blow to the spirits of all Catholics, plus it would negatively affect Catholic Austrians, aswell as isolate Catholic Finns. We wont stand for the systematic oppression of Catholics under a Russian regime. Want a casus belli? there it is. That goes for any catholic nation.

#DefenderOfTheFaith

Oppression? There is no oppression here, only acceptance. Catholics are free to practice their beliefs, so long as they don't challenge the authority of the Orthodox Faith.

[Caltarania]

The Papacy has a vested interest in Poland. As the Catholic nation in Eastern Europe between the Protestant and Orthodo heretics, the fall of Poland would be a crushing blow to the spirits of all Catholics, plus it would negatively affect Catholic Austrians, aswell as isolate Catholic Finns. We wont stand for the systematic oppression of Catholics under a Russian regime. Want a casus belli? there it is. That goes for any catholic nation.

#DefenderOfTheFaith

Oppression? There is no oppression here, only acceptance. Catholics are free to practice their beliefs, so long as they don't challenge the authority of the Orthodox Faith.

Not to mention that in the Confederation the Reichsprovinz are free to do whatever they want religion-wise.

But I digress, let's leave this behind as Mish suggested as it just seems to breed anger.

[Valentir]

Oppression? There is no oppression here, only acceptance. Catholics are free to practice their beliefs, so long as they don't challenge the authority of the Orthodox Faith.

Not to mention that in the Confederation the Reichsprovinz are free to do whatever they want religion-wise.

But I digress, let's leave this behind as Mish suggested as it just seems to breed anger.

Indeed. We should turn the other check.

[Liecthenbourg]

Not to mention that in the Confederation the Reichsprovinz are free to do whatever they want religion-wise.

But I digress, let's leave this behind as Mish suggested as it just seems to breed anger.

Indeed. We should turn the other check.

Cheek*
Turning around checks may be seen as an offensive gesture to some.

[Rephesus]

The Papacy has a vested interest in Poland. As the Catholic nation in Eastern Europe between the Protestant and Orthodo heretics, the fall of Poland would be a crushing blow to the spirits of all Catholics, plus it would negatively affect Catholic Austrians, aswell as isolate Catholic Finns. We wont stand for the systematic oppression of Catholics under a Russian regime. Want a casus belli? there it is. That goes for any catholic nation.

#DefenderOfTheFaith

Oppression? There is no oppression here, only acceptance. Catholics are free to practice their beliefs, so long as they don't challenge the authority of the Orthodox Faith.

Free to practice in their homes and barred from having Catholic Churches or clergy, barred from expressing their faith, a punishable offence. That, is oppression.

Indeed. We should turn the other check.

Cheek*
Turning around checks may be seen as an offensive gesture to some.

Especially if they are Catholic Czechs

[Caltarania]

Indeed. We should turn the other check.

Cheek*
Turning around checks may be seen as an offensive gesture to some.

Turning away Czechs is even worse.

Cheek*
Turning around checks may be seen as an offensive gesture to some.

Especially if they are Catholic Czechs

Beat me to it! xD

[Valentir]

Indeed. We should turn the other check.

Cheek*
Turning around checks may be seen as an offensive gesture to some.

Goddamn me and my tipsiness.

Oppression? There is no oppression here, only acceptance. Catholics are free to practice their beliefs, so long as they don't challenge the authority of the Orthodox Faith.

Free to practice in their homes and barred from having Catholic Churches or clergy, barred from expressing their faith, a punishable offence. That, is oppression.

Cheek*
Turning around checks may be seen as an offensive gesture to some.

Especially if they are Catholic Czechs

What? Where are you getting this info?

[Liecthenbourg]

Cheek*
Turning around checks may be seen as an offensive gesture to some.

Goddamn me and my tipsiness.

Drunk Val is best Val.

[Valentir]

Goddamn me and my tipsiness.

Drunk Val is best Val.