Guns of Our Forefathers II (OOC, Signups)

[Caltarania]

I don't plan on having them leave.

I plan on using them to gather intelligence and in general destroy you from the inside. And then, should we succeed, I plan on having them be the new nobles of the land we conquer. Whomever is most useful can be the Prince of the Polen (or maybe Ost-Land? Don't know name yet) Reichsprovinz.



xD

Wouldn't that need permission of the other player?

I don't see why. Things like that would happen IOTL, I don't see why they couldn't happen here. If he plans to attempt to do the same in Krakau and Silesia, I will have no problem with it.

[Valentir]

Calt, don't forget that I may jump in with you and munch on Poland.

[Quirina]

It doesn't make any sense for them to get involved, though.

This is one of my biggest hatreds of NS RPing; dogpiling. If this were the real world, none of those nations would want to even get involved in Poland. The Bourbons risk having some of their most fertile lands in France being ravaged by the Prussian army, Austro-Germany risks loosing the support of Pro-Prussians in it's nation (which, I'd imagine, would be a large amount of people) and Venice just doesn't have any reason to go to war. The only thing I can think of is if they were to claim that they're fighting for the faith, which even then is incorrect considering that Prussia is basically secular, but is Lutheran, and Russia is Orthodox. While they could claim to be fighting heretics, they risk having social unrest in Lutheran/Calvinist areas (of which, by the way, there are everywhere).

There is a reason why, IOTL, Poland-Lithuania was eaten by Prussia, Russia and Austria. That reason is, and I'm oversimplifying a bit but eh, governments don't jump for the chance to go to war unless it benefits them. War with two of the most powerful nations in Europe doesn't benefit anyone.

Just some "food for thought" before we advance.

I only see one reason why a lot of nations would like to have the so-called "Partition of Prussia".

Calt, don't forget that I may jump in with you and munch on Poland.

You don't bite what you can't chew, teddy.

[Caltarania]

Calt, don't forget that I may jump in with you and munch on Poland.

Not only am I fine with that, it's actually an important part of my plan

Let's not get ahead of ourselves, though.

It doesn't make any sense for them to get involved, though.

This is one of my biggest hatreds of NS RPing; dogpiling. If this were the real world, none of those nations would want to even get involved in Poland. The Bourbons risk having some of their most fertile lands in France being ravaged by the Prussian army, Austro-Germany risks loosing the support of Pro-Prussians in it's nation (which, I'd imagine, would be a large amount of people) and Venice just doesn't have any reason to go to war. The only thing I can think of is if they were to claim that they're fighting for the faith, which even then is incorrect considering that Prussia is basically secular, but is Lutheran, and Russia is Orthodox. While they could claim to be fighting heretics, they risk having social unrest in Lutheran/Calvinist areas (of which, by the way, there are everywhere).

There is a reason why, IOTL, Poland-Lithuania was eaten by Prussia, Russia and Austria. That reason is, and I'm oversimplifying a bit but eh, governments don't jump for the chance to go to war unless it benefits them. War with two of the most powerful nations in Europe doesn't benefit anyone.

Just some "food for thought" before we advance.

I only see one reason why a lot of nations would like to have the so-called "Partition of Prussia".

What? That doesn't even make sense. You're mixing IC and OOC, first and foremost.

Secondly, there would be nothing to gain from a Partition of Prussia except a hella lot of angry Germans. Well, and a metric fucktonne of dead people on both side. Poland, though, is a useful asset for a nation to have. There is a reason it's called the breadbasket of Europe, y'know. Another historic reason for the partition of Poland was the fact that the Commonwealth was almost entirely hostile to Russia and Prussia. You can see what their reaction was.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

Wouldn't that need permission of the other player?

I don't see why. Things like that would happen IOTL, I don't see why they couldn't happen here. If he plans to attempt to do the same in Krakau and Silesia, I will have no problem with it.

Yea but I still think permission to the player should be asked (not sure what are the rules about this in this RP). Espionage would happen IOTL, but permission is still asked.

Or at least shouldn't permission be asked to the OP/Co-OP's?

[Valentir]

It doesn't make any sense for them to get involved, though.

This is one of my biggest hatreds of NS RPing; dogpiling. If this were the real world, none of those nations would want to even get involved in Poland. The Bourbons risk having some of their most fertile lands in France being ravaged by the Prussian army, Austro-Germany risks loosing the support of Pro-Prussians in it's nation (which, I'd imagine, would be a large amount of people) and Venice just doesn't have any reason to go to war. The only thing I can think of is if they were to claim that they're fighting for the faith, which even then is incorrect considering that Prussia is basically secular, but is Lutheran, and Russia is Orthodox. While they could claim to be fighting heretics, they risk having social unrest in Lutheran/Calvinist areas (of which, by the way, there are everywhere).

There is a reason why, IOTL, Poland-Lithuania was eaten by Prussia, Russia and Austria. That reason is, and I'm oversimplifying a bit but eh, governments don't jump for the chance to go to war unless it benefits them. War with two of the most powerful nations in Europe doesn't benefit anyone.

Just some "food for thought" before we advance.

I only see one reason why a lot of nations would like to have the so-called "Partition of Prussia".

Calt, don't forget that I may jump in with you and munch on Poland.

You don't bite what you can't chew, teddy.

I can chew a lot more than you think. Russia Stronk!

[Caltarania]

I don't see why. Things like that would happen IOTL, I don't see why they couldn't happen here. If he plans to attempt to do the same in Krakau and Silesia, I will have no problem with it.

Yea but I still think permission to the player should be asked (not sure what are the rules about this in this RP). Espionage would happen IOTL, but permission is still asked.

Or at least shouldn't permission be asked to the OP/Co-OP's?

If you asked permission for Espionage IRL I think you'd be defeating the point

I will ask one, but thus the only CoOp online is Liech, adn thus far he hasn't been against it.

[Liecthenbourg]

Yea but I still think permission to the player should be asked (not sure what are the rules about this in this RP). Espionage would happen IOTL, but permission is still asked.

Or at least shouldn't permission be asked to the OP/Co-OP's?

If you asked permission for Espionage IRL I think you'd be defeating the point

I will ask one, but thus the only CoOp online is Liech, adn thus far he hasn't been against it.

I've not got much to say on it.
I mean, you can't stop espionage from happening. Unless you find the Spy and kill em', but yeah.
What he'd need to ask permission for would be the allegiances of the Nobles switching.

[Caltarania]

If you asked permission for Espionage IRL I think you'd be defeating the point

I will ask one, but thus the only CoOp online is Liech, adn thus far he hasn't been against it.

I've not got much to say on it.
I mean, you can't stop espionage from happening. Unless you find the Spy and kill em', but yeah.
What he'd need to ask permission for would be the allegiances of the Nobles switching.

For the latter, we could use a RNG or other-randomizer?

[Liecthenbourg]

I've not got much to say on it.
I mean, you can't stop espionage from happening. Unless you find the Spy and kill em', but yeah.
What he'd need to ask permission for would be the allegiances of the Nobles switching.

For the latter, we could use a RNG or other-randomizer?

The latter being finding the spy or the nobles?

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

Yea but I still think permission to the player should be asked (not sure what are the rules about this in this RP). Espionage would happen IOTL, but permission is still asked.

Or at least shouldn't permission be asked to the OP/Co-OP's?

If you asked permission for Espionage IRL I think you'd be defeating the point

I will ask one, but thus the only CoOp online is Liech, adn thus far he hasn't been against it.

The same would work towards using a population against a country.

I am not sure what are the rules in this respect, but I do think permission should be asked to the player just like espionage cases are; after all, both intend to do similar things as well as are similar in nature.

[Quirina]

Whatever floats your boat Calt. I'll support it...

Hahaha As if you're gonna have Poland, Daffy? We'll see what ole Freddy can do to Bloody Stan.

[Caltarania]

For the latter, we could use a RNG or other-randomizer?

The latter being finding the spy or the nobles?

Nobles, but I guess we could do it for both.

If you asked permission for Espionage IRL I think you'd be defeating the point

I will ask one, but thus the only CoOp online is Liech, adn thus far he hasn't been against it.

The same would work towards using a population against a country.

I am not sure what are the rules in this respect, but I do think permission should be asked to the player just like espionage cases are; after all, both intend to do similar things as well as are similar in nature.

Kay.

Whatever floats your boat Calt. I'll support it...

Hahaha As if you're gonna have Poland, Daffy? We'll see what ole Freddy can do to Bloody Stan.

You know that the size goes to normal once I quote to reply, right?

Also kay.

EDIT: Also this Daffy thing is confusing me. Like seriously.

[Liecthenbourg]

The latter being finding the spy or the nobles?

Nobles, but I guess we could do it for both.

The same would work towards using a population against a country.

I am not sure what are the rules in this respect, but I do think permission should be asked to the player just like espionage cases are; after all, both intend to do similar things as well as are similar in nature.

Kay.

Whatever floats your boat Calt. I'll support it...

Hahaha As if you're gonna have Poland, Daffy? We'll see what ole Freddy can do to Bloody Stan.

You know that the size goes to normal once I quote to reply, right?

Also kay.

EDIT: Also this Daffy thing is confusing me. Like seriously.

Prussia's got a black birdy on her flag.

[Caltarania]

Nobles, but I guess we could do it for both.



Kay.



You know that the size goes to normal once I quote to reply, right?

Also kay.

EDIT: Also this Daffy thing is confusing me. Like seriously.

Prussia's got a black birdy on her flag.

Ah. That makes a lot more sense now.

[Liecthenbourg]

By this amazing logic, Japan is the sun.

[Snovatgatovia]

Alright if we're going 6 months per page I suggest we start posting about stuff that isn't happening in early January.

This should be fun but I'm sorta getting this world war vibe from the situation regarding Poland. Certainly you two realize that the combined forces of Italy,the Bourbons and Austro-Germany would sweep the floor with you so fast you couldn't even say "Treaty of Versailles" (of course with this being the 18th century and the size of such size being on par, if not larger than WWI it would only be fair to assume that the terms of a surrender would be about 20x more crippling than the actual treaty of Versailles).

Just some food for thought before we advance.

It doesn't make any sense for them to get involved, though.

This is one of my biggest hatreds of NS RPing; dogpiling. If this were the real world, none of those nations would want to even get involved in Poland. The Bourbons risk having some of their most fertile lands in France being ravaged by the Prussian army, Austro-Germany risks loosing the support of Pro-Prussians in it's nation (which, I'd imagine, would be a large amount of people) and Venice just doesn't have any reason to go to war. The only thing I can think of is if they were to claim that they're fighting for the faith, which even then is incorrect considering that Prussia is basically secular, but is Lutheran, and Russia is Orthodox. While they could claim to be fighting heretics, they risk having social unrest in Lutheran/Calvinist areas (of which, by the way, there are everywhere).

There is a reason why, IOTL, Poland-Lithuania was eaten by Prussia, Russia and Austria. That reason is, and I'm oversimplifying a bit but eh, governments don't jump for the chance to go to war unless it benefits them. War with two of the most powerful nations in Europe doesn't benefit anyone.

Just some "food for thought" before we advance.

While you make a compelling argument that (if you'd believe it) I have already thought myself when it comes down to it the papacy doesn't like losing power or influence especially now that its hayday is behind it. Austro-Germany and Prussia would likely be mutually destroyed in the event that war ever broke out between them, this I don't doubt. On the other hand the Bourbons, with their massive new world empire, could easily afford to have some fertile lands decimated if it meant they could exploit Prussia for all it's worth afterword.

Italy and Russia on the other hand are the two i'm not quite sure of. Russia has always been a fan of bullying/taking over Poland but with the deterrence of 3 major world powers would they still think it is worth it? Italy on the other hand has absolutely no reason to be involved other than to:

A.preserve the influence of the papacy

and

B.weaken all of its neighbors simultaneously as it is doubtful their lands would ever see any fighting.

All we're really doing here is speculating (which is important before we do anything IC) but I could see this being a huge mess for you and me while other world powers reaps the benefits. I'm not trying to "win the game" and conquer the world I just want to see new and interesting geo-political circumstances regardless of how it affects Austro-Germany.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

By this amazing logic, Japan is the sun.

[Liecthenbourg]

My post is up.
Thoughts?

Also, 10 Euros to whoever knows who Hirokishi Jiro is, though you're probably gonna use Google.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

My post is up.
Thoughts?

Also, 10 Euros to whoever knows who Hirokishi Jiro is, though you're probably gonna use Google.

Would you like to establish diplomatic relations?

[Liecthenbourg]

My post is up.
Thoughts?

Also, 10 Euros to whoever knows who Hirokishi Jiro is, though you're probably gonna use Google.

Would you like to establish diplomatic relations?

It's because I'm the Asian Power house, isn't it.

I jest, sure. Send me a letter in your next post.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

Would you like to establish diplomatic relations?

It's because I'm the Asian Power house, isn't it.

I jest, sure. Send me a letter in your next post.

...maybe

I will send the letter

[Quirina]

I actually don't know exactly what to say, but what really is on my mind is to keep what can be kept, and get what I can have. With that logic I can emanate through Stanislaw's policies, it will change the direction of Poland from being nobility-controlled to nobility-shared government with the King and his people.

For some reason, this long essay will be disregarded with "I'll eat Poland" logic, I'm very sure something or someone will urge the Polish peoples to rise and reunite the country once more. And once that struck of nationalism ensued in the former Polish territories, even without a Polish line infantry marching to the enemy ground to satisfy his enemies' hunger for death, will surely be both sides' loss at the end.

With that, let me include that the new Polish government is undergoing an anti-corruption campaign, meaning a self-reboot since the King has awaken from the troubles of his state. But then again, this reunification is aimed to be as peaceful as possible, even to the extent that the war-hungry Prussians and Russians are wanting to rape Poland for no logical reason. Actually, Russia SHOULD maintain Poland because Poland serves as a buffer state between her and the rest of Europe, since Russia IOTL is too careful to intervene in the interests of the West. But I'm sure this is not the case ITTL, and I see both Russia and Prussia as land-hungry dogs wanting to eat a small piece of Polish land.

Well, I dare you two -ussias. What kind of a sensible illogical mind would hunger for a piece of land? Why not attack your more powerful neighbors? Scared of a world war because you see Poland so weak and undefended? Hey, I'm not the bully here, noh? I am very astonished with the logic you apply in this RP, and that's for -ussias. I commend you for such great thing indeed.

And another thing, you can help me suggest what to do after being defeated as Poland in this RP. On the top of my mind, I'm imagining myself just reading posts, needless to reply. Oh well, lesson learned for me for fitting in into a territory I just considered to pick because Persia was out.

Damn, if I had only reserved Persia seven hours ahead of Neros, who is inactive right now, I should have never brought myself to a divulgence of researching ways how to defeat big land blobs.

Well, that's my thoughts for some reason. Hope you don't mind.

Quacking starts now.

[Kryskov]

britain stronk #1

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

britain stronk #1

You are Britain, I presume?