Guns of Our Forefathers II (OOC, Signups)

[G-Tech Corporation]

I'm thinking of asking Kry to implement a time limit on the amount of time you can reserve a post.
It's bothering me greatly now.

You unleashed this monster, yknow.

[Liecthenbourg]

I'm thinking of asking Kry to implement a time limit on the amount of time you can reserve a post.
It's bothering me greatly now.

You unleashed this monster, yknow.

And now it turns against me.

I'm sure someone did it before me, anyway.

[Quirina]

Just woke up and daaaaaamn! The argument over Poland being the protectorate of Austria is still not yet over?!

I must take a breakfast.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

So, which which European Power(Italy/Prussia/Portugal) wants to support USBS in "liberating" the one or both of the other's South African Colonies?

Denmark might like you, but we'd have to be secret. We are the pink one on the map.

It wouldn't take too much convincing perhaps, as Denmark could easily get along with just about anything that.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Lads, there's really no reason to get snarky over who does what or metagames who. Post and let the dice fall where they may; we have an active Co-OP who will rule on any issues as they arise.

[Caltarania]

I'm thinking of asking Kry to implement a time limit on the amount of time you can reserve a post.
It's bothering me greatly now.

I know.

So, which which European Power(Italy/Prussia/Portugal) wants to support USBS in "liberating" the one or both of the other's South African Colonies?

I mean honestly Prussia doesn't care.

Just don't try to invade Kapkolonie. You may be westernized but we still have the larger and more professional army.

[Bujahla]

I'm thinking of asking Kry to implement a time limit on the amount of time you can reserve a post.
It's bothering me greatly now.

I know.

So, which which European Power(Italy/Prussia/Portugal) wants to support USBS in "liberating" the one or both of the other's South African Colonies?

I mean honestly Prussia doesn't care.

Just don't try to invade Kapkolonie. You may be westernized but we still have the larger and more professional army.

USBS?

[Caltarania]

I know.



I mean honestly Prussia doesn't care.

Just don't try to invade Kapkolonie. You may be westernized but we still have the larger and more professional army.

USBS?

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[Kryskov]

How's it going, guys?

[Quirina]

How's it going, guys?

From page 46, it so dramatic. Check it out. It's me against most of them, but I didn't took them seriously.. I suggest you read them.

It's hard when OPs are not around during such turbulent times.

[Kryskov]

How's it going, guys?

From page 46, it so dramatic. Check it out. It's me against most of them, but I didn't took them seriously.. I suggest you read them.

It's hard when OPs are not around during such turbulent times.

I'm having a hard time following the conversation (brain is fried from SAT study). Could you summarize (with least bias possible, of course), the basic points that you are arguing about?

[Quirina]

I'm having a hard time following the conversation (brain is fried from SAT study). Could you summarize (with least bias possible, of course), the basic points that you are arguing about?

Sorry, I re-read it again and it was in these points:
- Poland being an Austrian protectorate (which gained large OOC opposition (as how I see it) from Prussia, seeing that Calt and Glitter were opposed much about it), in page 46-47.
- Individual definition of the word "protectorate", which was confused because of different historical contexts applied.
- Pope's casus belli to defend Poland in case Prussia-Russia attacks, which the latter and the others don't see to have such according to their POV.

It was a clash of POVs I'm telling you.

I guess it all ended when Gtech posted this:

Lads, there's really no reason to get snarky over who does what or metagames who. Post and let the dice fall where they may; we have an active Co-OP who will rule on any issues as they arise.

[Kryskov]

I'm having a hard time following the conversation (brain is fried from SAT study). Could you summarize (with least bias possible, of course), the basic points that you are arguing about?

Sorry, I re-read it again and it was in these points:
- Poland being an Austrian protectorate (which gained large OOC opposition (as how I see it) from Prussia, seeing that Calt and Glitter were opposed much about it), in page 46-47.
- Individual definition of the word "protectorate", which was confused because of different historical contexts applied.
- Pope's casus belli to defend Poland in case Prussia-Russia attacks, which the latter and the others don't see to have such according to their POV.

It was a clash of POVs I'm telling you.

I guess it all ended when Gtech posted this:

Lads, there's really no reason to get snarky over who does what or metagames who. Post and let the dice fall where they may; we have an active Co-OP who will rule on any issues as they arise.

Ok, let's consider these points:

1. The establishment of a protectorate is entirely dependent on the two bodies in which it involves. It can be as liberal as to just be a Defense Pact, or as strict as to basically vassalize the nation. Considering what I have read, I have determined that Poland is agreeing to give away its conduction of most foreign affairs to Austria in return for military access. This seems fair. It is allowed. I am not adhering strictly to vocabulary definitions. If that were the case, Poland would give up much of its economic independence too in exchange for greater access, tech, etc. Now, that does not mean that the Polish are particularly happy about this, which may reflect later on...

2. See above. Terms of player-established treaties, etc. are dependent on the players, regardless of what they want to call them.

3. Is this because of Reph using the Pope as a political figure? I have a strong tendency to try to make the Pope as neutral as possible so that we don't have some sort of pseudo-crusade against Protestants. I would definitely like to agree with everyone to respect some sort of Peace of Westphalia-esque agreement regarding religion. The Pope should have little power, and I am trying to enforce that.

4. Also, NO MORE RESERVING POSTS. Reserving posts from now on will be considered "spam."

Are these agreeable?

[Rephesus]

I'm not using the Pope to crusade Protestants, don't worry about that.

[Liecthenbourg]

Sorry, I re-read it again and it was in these points:
- Poland being an Austrian protectorate (which gained large OOC opposition (as how I see it) from Prussia, seeing that Calt and Glitter were opposed much about it), in page 46-47.
- Individual definition of the word "protectorate", which was confused because of different historical contexts applied.
- Pope's casus belli to defend Poland in case Prussia-Russia attacks, which the latter and the others don't see to have such according to their POV.

It was a clash of POVs I'm telling you.

I guess it all ended when Gtech posted this:

Ok, let's consider these points:

1. The establishment of a protectorate is entirely dependent on the two bodies in which it involves. It can be as liberal as to just be a Defense Pact, or as strict as to basically vassalize the nation. Considering what I have read, I have determined that Poland is agreeing to give away its conduction of most foreign affairs to Austria in return for military access. This seems fair. It is allowed. I am not adhering strictly to vocabulary definitions. If that were the case, Poland would give up much of its economic independence too in exchange for greater access, tech, etc. Now, that does not mean that the Polish are particularly happy about this, which may reflect later on...

2. See above. Terms of player-established treaties, etc. are dependent on the players, regardless of what they want to call them.

3. Is this because of Reph using the Pope as a political figure? I have a strong tendency to try to make the Pope as neutral as possible so that we don't have some sort of pseudo-crusade against Protestants. I would definitely like to agree with everyone to respect some sort of Peace of Westphalia-esque agreement regarding religion. The Pope should have little power, and I am trying to enforce that.

4. Also, NO MORE RESERVING POSTS. Reserving posts from now on will be considered "spam."

Are these agreeable?

Entirely.
Now, to get those reserved posts filled...

[Kryskov]

I'm not using the Pope to crusade Protestants, don't worry about that.

Then what is the issue?

[Rephesus]

I'm not using the Pope to crusade Protestants, don't worry about that.

Then what is the issue?

Poland is Catholic, so Val and Calt thought I would use the Pope to make casus belli.

I mean, I still easily can, especially if they blatantly invade. But 'they are catholic' wouldn't be my CB.

[Kryskov]

Then what is the issue?

Poland is Catholic, so Val and Calt thought I would use the Pope to make casus belli.

I mean, I still easily can, especially if they blatantly invade. But 'they are catholic' wouldn't be my CB.

I need more detail. What would the cb be?

[Rephesus]

Poland is Catholic, so Val and Calt thought I would use the Pope to make casus belli.

I mean, I still easily can, especially if they blatantly invade. But 'they are catholic' wouldn't be my CB.

I need more detail. What would the cb be?

Depends on the situation.

If they flat out attack Poland, warmongering plus my alliance with Austria Hungary kicks in.

If they sponsor internal rebellion, I can send troops upon request.

If they do a false flag, I'll have to use my alliance with AH along with claims of hearsay.

If they don't formally declare war but invade, it'll be up to Poland.
Again, very circumstantial.

[Kryskov]

Warmongering is not a valid CB for this RP.

[Rephesus]

Warmongering is not a valid CB for this RP.

Alliance then.

I'd rather not see my neighbours invade and be invaded by eachother.

Warmongering was the CB for Britain and France against Germany (Warmongering against Poland)

[Kryskov]

Warmongering is not a valid CB for this RP.

Alliance then.

I'd rather not see my neighbours invade and be invaded by eachother.

Warmongering was the CB for Britain and France against Germany (Warmongering against Poland)

Incomparable.

[Rephesus]

So Germany invading Poland in 1939 is incomparable to Prussia invading Poland in 1775?

[Kryskov]

So Germany invading Poland in 1939 is incomparable to Prussia invading Poland in 1775?

Yes, the sociopolitical conditions are different.

[Valentir]

Well, time to get a post up. List of things to do.
1. Respond to letters from Denmark and Prussia
2. Station 10,000 troops on border with Finland
3. Call forth 50,000 Reserved Troops
4. Send General Mikhail Kutuzov to Kiev
5. Begin construction of the Moscow-Samarkand Roadway
6. Establish the Imperial Ministry of Public Safety
7. Increase conflict between Ivan and Alexander
8. Introduce Valentina Kutuzov

So, anything I'm missing?