Guns of Our Forefathers II (OOC, Signups)

[Valentir]

Russians in Poland?
I'm sorry, but a lot of Russians don't like Poland. They hate Poland more than they hate the Czar.

[Quirina]

Russians in Poland?
I'm sorry, but a lot of Russians don't like Poland. They hate Poland more than they hate the Czar.

Hahah I know. Since you dont get my sarcasm

Did I ever ask if Denmark was a major power like????

This is the OOC, mate. Separate it from the IC. When I speak, I do not speak as Denmark, I speak as Glitter.

Haha I know. That's why I'm asking you.

[Rephesus]

Russians in Poland?
I'm sorry, but a lot of Russians don't like Poland. They hate Poland more than they hate the Czar.

Idk a lot of people hate the Tsar. And if he was a Serbian Czar ruling Russia... well you can bet they wouldn't be happy about that either

[Valentir]

Russians in Poland?
I'm sorry, but a lot of Russians don't like Poland. They hate Poland more than they hate the Czar.

Idk a lot of people hate the Tsar. And if he was a Serbian Czar ruling Russia... well you can bet they wouldn't be happy about that either

Well hate is a strong word. Disagree is more appropriate. Also yes, I know the fucking difference, Calt told me already. Get over it I'm using Czar!

[Snovatgatovia]

AH Protectorate

What? Now that's just fucking stupid.

It's completely valid (other than the fact I'm not Austro-Hungary).

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Did I ever ask if Denmark was a major power like????

This is the OOC, mate. Separate it from the IC. When I speak, I do not speak as Denmark, I speak as Glitter.

Haha I know. That's why I'm asking you.

That's odd, rather came off as a snarky comment aimed at me for pointing out the fact that Prussia and Russia could wipe the floor with Poland and Austria. It's not the first time you've done it, which is another reason why I automatically assumed it was not actually intended as a question c;

But, it is a power, is it a major power? Meh. But it is a power.

What? Now that's just fucking stupid.

It's completely valid (other than the fact I'm not Austro-Hungary).

No it's not. That's not how protectorates worked.

[Caltarania]

What? Now that's just fucking stupid.

It's completely valid (other than the fact I'm not Austro-Hungary).

No, it really isn't.

There's a goddamn reason countries don't sign up to be protectorates unless they are faced with obliteration from the country offering it. Protectorates only really happen to non-Western states by Western states.

[Quirina]

It's completely valid (other than the fact I'm not Austro-Hungary).

No, it really isn't.

There's a goddamn reason countries don't sign up to be protectorates unless they are faced with obliteration from the country offering it. Protectorates only really happen to non-Western states by Western states.

Hey hey HEY! In every diplomatic action, there comes reason, and reason in every diplomatic interaction is completely valid for the two parties involved. As you can see the geopolitical situation of the RP, Poland was the one who voluntarily submitted itself to the protectorate status since Austria wants Poland to be in its sphere. Without a spur of any pressure but from his northern neighbors, Poland was forced, not by Austria, but by his neighbors to submit to the protectorate status temporarily.

Now, if we are talking about historical diplomacy, I beg to disagree since every nation, regardless of culture, still follow the same ethics and code of diplomatic action.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Literally Google the fucking word "Protectorate" and you will see that's not how things work.

[Jordslag]

I need military ships to transport my colonists.
Second, I thought you said you would do an alliance if I gave you Stockholm...
Third, fair enough, but I have my eye on Svalbard...

1. Put them on Merchant Ships
2. Nope, we only do non-aggression
3. I advise against it but that is up to you.

1. How about a compromise: Disarmed Military ships?
2. Non-Aggression then. I will edit.
3. Having my eye on it does not equate invading it.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

1. How about a compromise: Disarmed Military ships?

That works for me.

[Caltarania]

No, it really isn't.

There's a goddamn reason countries don't sign up to be protectorates unless they are faced with obliteration from the country offering it. Protectorates only really happen to non-Western states by Western states.

Hey hey HEY! In every diplomatic action, there comes reason, and reason in every diplomatic interaction is completely valid for the two parties involved. As you can see the geopolitical situation of the RP, Poland was the one who voluntarily submitted itself to the protectorate status since Austria wants Poland to be in its sphere. Without a spur of any pressure but from his northern neighbors, Poland was forced, not by Austria, but by his neighbors to submit to the protectorate status temporarily.

Now, if we are talking about historical diplomacy, I beg to disagree since every nation, regardless of culture, still follow the same ethics and code of diplomatic action.

That is, to put it simply, stupid. The Poles are proud people, this is well known. Why would they give away, in many respects, their rights as a nation? ICly, neither Prussia nor Russia have mentioned their intention to annex Poland. There would be suspicion, yes, but taking protectorate status because of 'fear' is literally the stupidest fucking thing ever. How do you explain to justify this to your people? How to you expect to explain that their King is actually a puppet of the Austrians and pays fealty to him.

Not really. Notice anything about the colonization of Africa and the New World? All done by Europeans. We live in, are at least lived in (because y'know China) a Euro-centric world. Europeans had guns, natives did not. That is pretty much history in a nutshell. No nation gives up it's independence out of 'fear' with no evidence to even suggest threat.

[Jordslag]

And Imma just sit here in Denmark and buy Stockholm and expand my Hell Hole (If any of you know Danish you'll noticed the East African Colony is Hell Hole in Danish).

I got that reference, but didn't feel like pointing it out.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

For all those confused about how Protectorates actually worked.

[Quirina]

Literally Google the fucking word "Protectorate" and you will see that's not how things work.

"A protectorate in its inception adopted by modern international law, is an autonomous territory that is protected diplomatically or militarily against third parties by a stronger state or entity. In exchange for this, the protectorate usually accepts specified obligations, which may vary greatly, depending on the real nature of their relationship. However, it retains formal sovereignty, and remains a state under international law. A territory subject to this type of arrangement is also known as a protected state."

I wonder who that "stronger state or entity" is. Is it you, Denmark? I think so Mehe

-snip-

Yes I know, and I understand the reaction since you are not involved in the dialogue I had with Austria to arrange such relations, and the Poles are very aware of it. The government is transparent enough to be honest to what's truly happening. Still, they are a proud people, but in this RP I won't make them arrogant enough to be stupid in the consequences.

Well, anyone can be proud people. Prussians are, Russians are and even any single nationality has its own pride to bear.

[Rephesus]

Okay... so Poland happens to be an autonomous protectorate of Austria Hungary. Jeez.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

I wonder who that "stronger state or entity" is. Is it you, Denmark? I think so Mehe

Who is this Denmark you speak of? I am not Denmark, I am Glitter.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Okay... so Poland happens to be an autonomous protectorate of Austria Hungary. Jeez.

Noooo

Poland would be an autonomous vassal of Austria.

[Jordslag]

1. How about a compromise: Disarmed Military ships?

That works for me.

Great, I'll go edit.

[Liecthenbourg]

It matters not, the World is currently listed as "Vassal" in the Japanese Empire's Diplomatic Rankings.

[Caltarania]

Literally Google the fucking word "Protectorate" and you will see that's not how things work.

"A protectorate in its inception adopted by modern international law, is an autonomous territory that is protected diplomatically or militarily against third parties by a stronger state or entity. In exchange for this, the protectorate usually accepts specified obligations, which may vary greatly, depending on the real nature of their relationship. However, it retains formal sovereignty, and remains a state under international law. A territory subject to this type of arrangement is also known as a protected state."

I wonder who that "stronger state or entity" is. Is it you, Denmark? I think so Mehe

-snip-

Yes I know, and I understand the reaction since you are not involved in the dialogue I had with Austria to arrange such relations, and the Poles are very aware of it. The government is transparent enough to be honest to what's truly happening. Still, they are a proud people, but in this RP I won't make them arrogant enough to be stupid in the consequences.

Well, anyone can be proud people. Prussians are, Russians are and even any single nationality has its own pride to bear.

You're looking at the modern description of a protectorate. We're in the 1700's, not the 21st Century.

That still doesn't explain giving away every ounce of independence you have as a fucking nation. Guess what, education wasn't free for everyone (and still isn't) until way after WWII. People in this time period are stupid. They're blinded by nationalism because they haven't had to face the horror of two world wars yet. The Poles would quite literally be rioting in the streets if they became a Protectorate of Austria.

Ugh this went downhill fast.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

It matters not, the World is currently listed as "Vassal" in the Japanese Empire's Diplomatic Rankings.

Oh hey Liecth do you still wanna do some fancy Pacific Coast trade agreement?


We could also perhaps decide who gets the remainder of the land between Japanese Alaska and Danish Vinland.

[Valentir]

Poland a vassal of Austria? Hmm, Prussia, let us pounce on the Austrians! WE MUST FREE HUNGARY!

[Liecthenbourg]

It matters not, the World is currently listed as "Vassal" in the Japanese Empire's Diplomatic Rankings.

Oh hey Liecth do you still wanna do some fancy Pacific Coast trade agreement?


We could also perhaps decide who gets the remainder of the land between Japanese Alaska and Danish Vinland.

I would be honoured to trade across the Pacific, or what I've called "The Sea of Japan."

If you so wish.

[Rephesus]

I don't think any of us have the right to make definite assumptions about the reactions of people 400 years ago in states that no longer exist or have never existed. Regardless, there's plenty of sketchy things that are going on, and i don't see why the last 5 pages have been nearly-sole focus on either defending or undermining Poland and Quirina's RPing of it.

We need to take into account that a nation in that position is not easy to RP, definitely not as easy as a continental power per se, and I personally believe Quirina has done an admirable job thus far.