Guns of Our Forefathers II (OOC, Signups)

[Caltarania]

Nein, Russia controls Vilnius and a small portion of Eastern Modern-day Lithuania. IIRC Russia conquered them from you, ergo you would have had them initially.

How can you be sure of that? Valentir have not posted his TL yet, so I cannot justify "-Lithuania", hence revision might be is necessary and must make a complicated timeline just to avoid Prussian, and maybe, Russian contact.

He has posted his history, and IIRC he has edited further to remove clashes.

[Quirina]

How can you be sure of that? Valentir have not posted his TL yet, so I cannot justify "-Lithuania", hence revision might be is necessary and must make a complicated timeline just to avoid Prussian, and maybe, Russian contact.

He has posted his history, and IIRC he has edited further to remove clashes.

Russia lost Lithuania and Latvia, and was invaded by Prussia. So, where's my "-Lithuania" justification there? I bet all that happened after 1400s, since Val did not indicated a right year for that.

[Caltarania]

He has posted his history, and IIRC he has edited further to remove clashes.

Russia lost Lithuania and Latvia, and was invaded by Prussia. So, where's my "-Lithuania" justification there? I bet all that happened after 1400s, since Val did not indicated a right year for that.

No, that's part of the history he changed, considering that Prussia never invaded considering we already had those territories.

I suggest you wait for him to come online in order to discuss it further, because quite honestly you're pushing the bounds of my knowledge on this subject.

[Caltarania]

Here is a preview list of quotes for Georg Waschenton's Rebellion (translated into English for your benefit );

"It is my Royal and Imperial command that you drive the Old Kaiser off this New World with all means, and all will." - Kaiser Georg I of Amerika

"Do not listen to his lies, fair people! He cares not for this country or the people who dwell within it! I have seen first-hand the horrors our Kaiser would put us through for his own persona-" - General Wilhelm Greenburg during his execution.

"And therefore, loyal citizens, it is from the bottom of my heart that I ask you to fight back! Do not let the pretender fool you with his words of promise! This is a war between good and evil, but a deceptive one at that!" - Kaiser Frederick II of Prussia

"Do not let them make any more ground, my fellow Amerikans! Remember what they did! These are the men who wish to pillage your homes, rape your wives and kill your families! Do not let them pass! Here we hold the line! For God and Amerika!" - Kaiser Georg I of Amerika

"But why do we fight this war, there is simply no reason for it! We are simply throwing the lives of men at each other in the hope that they can overpower the enemy! This is not war, this is genocide!" - Kolonialkommandant Oswald von Hamburg

"These are the true enemies, my friends! Prince Otto has shown us the way! We can live with the Prussians, and the first step to that is proving our loyalty to the Empire by crushing this unjust rebellion! For Dievas, For Lithuania!" - General Kajus Užugiris of Lithuania Reichsprovinz

[Quirina]

Here is a preview list of quotes for Georg Waschenton's Rebellion (translated into English for your benefit );

"It is my Royal and Imperial command that you drive the Old Kaiser off this New World with all means, and all will." - Kaiser Georg I of Amerika

"Do not listen to his lies, fair people! He cares not for this country or the people who dwell within it! I have seen first-hand the horrors our Kaiser would put us through for his own persona-" - General Wilhelm Greenburg during his execution.

"And therefore, loyal citizens, it is from the bottom of my heart that I ask you to fight back! Do not let the pretender fool you with his words of promise! This is a war between good and evil, but a deceptive one at that!" - Kaiser Frederick II of Prussia

"Do not let them make any more ground, my fellow Amerikans! Remember what they did! These are the men who wish to pillage your homes, rape your wives and kill your families! Do not let them pass! Here we hold the line! For God and Amerika!" - Kaiser Georg I of Amerika

"But why do we fight this war, there is simply no reason for it! We are simply throwing the lives of men at each other in the hope that they can overpower the enemy! This is not war, this is genocide!" - Kolonialkommandant Oswald von Hamburg

"These are the true enemies, my friends! Prince Otto has shown us the way! We can live with the Prussians, and the first step to that is proving our loyalty to the Empire by crushing this unjust rebellion! For Dievas, For Lithuania!" - General Kajus Užugiris of Lithuania Reichsprovinz

The last quote makes me wanna change my history for Poland land and not including Lithuania. Oh well, the Husaria will kick ass..

[Caltarania]

Here is a preview list of quotes for Georg Waschenton's Rebellion (translated into English for your benefit );

"It is my Royal and Imperial command that you drive the Old Kaiser off this New World with all means, and all will." - Kaiser Georg I of Amerika

"Do not listen to his lies, fair people! He cares not for this country or the people who dwell within it! I have seen first-hand the horrors our Kaiser would put us through for his own persona-" - General Wilhelm Greenburg during his execution.

"And therefore, loyal citizens, it is from the bottom of my heart that I ask you to fight back! Do not let the pretender fool you with his words of promise! This is a war between good and evil, but a deceptive one at that!" - Kaiser Frederick II of Prussia

"Do not let them make any more ground, my fellow Amerikans! Remember what they did! These are the men who wish to pillage your homes, rape your wives and kill your families! Do not let them pass! Here we hold the line! For God and Amerika!" - Kaiser Georg I of Amerika

"But why do we fight this war, there is simply no reason for it! We are simply throwing the lives of men at each other in the hope that they can overpower the enemy! This is not war, this is genocide!" - Kolonialkommandant Oswald von Hamburg

"These are the true enemies, my friends! Prince Otto has shown us the way! We can live with the Prussians, and the first step to that is proving our loyalty to the Empire by crushing this unjust rebellion! For Dievas, For Lithuania!" - General Kajus Užugiris of Lithuania Reichsprovinz

The last quote makes me wanna change my history for Poland land and not including Lithuania. Oh well, the Husaria will kick ass..

Why? As I said before, the Romuva are only a minority of Lithuania, they just have the largest rebel group.

Also notice that they said 'crush the rebellion' not 'crush polan'.

[Bujahla]

:3

[Quirina]

:3

Wanna lick? Haha

Calt: I mean, I'm discouraged in using "-Lithuanian" coz it's unjustified by any means. All I can think is a Lithuanian grand duke who sold his title after being invaded by Prussia to the Polish, but I think it will not work since no noble with that high title would sell it.

[Caltarania]

:3

Wanna lick? Haha

Calt: I mean, I'm discouraged in using "-Lithuanian" coz it's unjustified by any means. All I can think is a Lithuanian grand duke who sold his title after being invaded by Prussia to the Polish, but I think it will not work since no noble with that high title would sell it.

There is still the possibility of a union of the Crowns, as I said, Lithuania controlled vast swathes of Eastern Europe before Union IOTL, I don't see why that couldn't be the case here as well.

But, as I said, I suggest talking to Val when he get's online.

Also, don't forget that people used to claim crowns all the time. Heck, until George III, English (and then British) monarchs used 'King of France' in their official title.

[Quirina]

Wanna lick? Haha

Calt: I mean, I'm discouraged in using "-Lithuanian" coz it's unjustified by any means. All I can think is a Lithuanian grand duke who sold his title after being invaded by Prussia to the Polish, but I think it will not work since no noble with that high title would sell it.

There is still the possibility of a union of the Crowns, as I said, Lithuania controlled vast swathes of Eastern Europe before Union IOTL, I don't see why that couldn't be the case here as well.

But, as I said, I suggest talking to Val when he get's online.

Also, don't forget that people used to claim crowns all the time. Heck, until George III, English (and then British) monarchs used 'King of France' in their official title.

I saw this part of Wiki that talks about the union of Lithuania and Poland before 1400s, since the POD is 1400.

"It [the Commonwealth] was established at the Union of Lublin in July 1569, but the actual personal union between the Crown of the Kingdom of Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania began when Lithuania's Grand Duke Jogaila married Queen regnant Jadwiga of Poland and was crowned King jure uxoris Władysław II Jagiełło of Poland (1386)."

[Caltarania]

There is still the possibility of a union of the Crowns, as I said, Lithuania controlled vast swathes of Eastern Europe before Union IOTL, I don't see why that couldn't be the case here as well.

But, as I said, I suggest talking to Val when he get's online.

Also, don't forget that people used to claim crowns all the time. Heck, until George III, English (and then British) monarchs used 'King of France' in their official title.

I saw this part of Wiki that talks about the union of Lithuania and Poland before 1400s, since the POD is 1400.

"It [the Commonwealth] was established at the Union of Lublin in July 1569, but the actual personal union between the Crown of the Kingdom of Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania began when Lithuania's Grand Duke Jogaila married Queen regnant Jadwiga of Poland and was crowned King jure uxoris Władysław II Jagiełło of Poland (1386)."

Yes, I am aware.

What point are you making?

[Quirina]

I saw this part of Wiki that talks about the union of Lithuania and Poland before 1400s, since the POD is 1400.

"It [the Commonwealth] was established at the Union of Lublin in July 1569, but the actual personal union between the Crown of the Kingdom of Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania began when Lithuania's Grand Duke Jogaila married Queen regnant Jadwiga of Poland and was crowned King jure uxoris Władysław II Jagiełło of Poland (1386)."

Yes, I am aware.

What point are you making?

That I can still justify "-Lithuania" by as a titular ruler since the grand duke of Lithuania married the queen of Poland and there you have it, Poland-Lithuania. Can this be legit now? I'm asking so that no more conflict may rise.

[Caltarania]

Yes, I am aware.

What point are you making?

That I can still justify "-Lithuania" by as a titular ruler since the grand duke of Lithuania married the queen of Poland and there you have it, Poland-Lithuania. Can this be legit now? I'm asking so that no more conflict may rise.

Yeah, I guess that makes sense.

[Quirina]

That I can still justify "-Lithuania" by as a titular ruler since the grand duke of Lithuania married the queen of Poland and there you have it, Poland-Lithuania. Can this be legit now? I'm asking so that no more conflict may rise.

Yeah, I guess that makes sense.

Okay then. I'll have to review my history timeline after I'm done extending a track from Two Steps From Hell. (Of course I respect copyright and credit, tis for personal consumption only.) Gonna do it...

[Liecthenbourg]

Also the map in the OP looks just a little bit different then it should do

-facepalm-
I just noticed that was my planning map...

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

I need military ships to transport my colonists.
Second, I thought you said you would do an alliance if I gave you Stockholm...
Third, fair enough, but I have my eye on Svalbard...

1. Put them on Merchant Ships
2. Nope, we only do non-aggression
3. I advise against it but that is up to you.

[Quirina]

I need military ships to transport my colonists.
Second, I thought you said you would do an alliance if I gave you Stockholm...
Third, fair enough, but I have my eye on Svalbard...

1. Put them on Merchant Ships
2. Nope, we only do non-aggression
3. I advise against it but that is up to you.

Regardless of who you are in favor with, can Poland trade with Denmark?

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Regardless of who you are in favor with, can Poland trade with Denmark?

Yeah sure, that's one reason why we don't really do alliances, it allows us to really trade with whomever wants to.

Just shoot us a message about an agreement and we can work one out in the IC.

[Quirina]

Regardless of who you are in favor with, can Poland trade with Denmark?

Yeah sure, that's one reason why we don't really do alliances, it allows us to really trade with whomever wants to.

Just shoot us a message about an agreement and we can work one out in the IC.

I'll just edit my reserved post with that matter.

Gonna release my new set of historical timeline in my factbook and later in my app.

[Valentir]

Mother Russia has entered the building.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Russia yes hello you have a letter from the Danes.

[Caltarania]

So, Quir, I couldn't help but notice that 500,000 men in a nation of 7,500,000 would be around 6.68%.

That isn't going to be good for your economy. Like at all.

[Liecthenbourg]

So, Quir, I couldn't help but notice that 500,000 men in a nation of 7,500,000 would be around 6.7%.

That isn't going to be good for your economy. Like at all.

Blah. What was worse was South China sending about 10% of their men to fight the Mughals. He then replaced the muskets of his actually well trained original army and gave them swords.

Speaking of China; Hannover, my patiences draws thin and I'm a very angry man when my patience runs out. I give you until tomorrow's sunset to fill that post - or I shall launch a nuclear warhead onto your home.
But seriously, get that post up.

[Quirina]

So, Quir, I couldn't help but notice that 500,000 men in a nation of 7,500,000 would be around 6.68%.

That isn't going to be good for your economy. Like at all.

Lol it was the maximum, but Jobensko has the right to stop recruiting until he's done. I dunno when will I stop it, but I already had a tally of troops, with battalions and regiments and all, but not yet created individual armies. I was thinking to be fair in applying a percentage. My military pop is 1.7%, which is intentionally decreased from 4.7% because it will overpower Prussia big time tho migrations to Poland suffice the need for a large army (I stated migrations in my history so it's legit).

[Valentir]

Mmmmm, lots of inexperienced peasants to kill. Those 500,000 men won't be very effective.