Guns of Our Forefathers II (OOC, Signups)

[Jordslag]

Yes, I see the Germano-American state and Italian super state have tidbits of the land.

Problem is that what reason would there be for a Boer state?

The Kap was directly colonized by the Prussians, and the Dutch are in a union with the Brits.

You could do a Zulu Kingdom, maybe with some German leadership or whatnot?

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By the way, here is a map of Georg Waschenton's Rebellion. Prussian Blue is under Prussian control, Red under rebel control.

Want 2,000 Finnish soldiers?

[Caltarania]

Problem is that what reason would there be for a Boer state?

The Kap was directly colonized by the Prussians, and the Dutch are in a union with the Brits.

You could do a Zulu Kingdom, maybe with some German leadership or whatnot?

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By the way, here is a map of Georg Waschenton's Rebellion. Prussian Blue is under Prussian control, Red under rebel control.

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Want 2,000 Finnish soldiers?

We don't really need them as of yet, though, so no.

Later on in the war, when the Amerikans make big gains, the Landtag will probably request them.

Is Prussian aggression over Poland still on? I mean, I'm not inviting it, but was just wondering. Hopefully pop will increase after 6 months.

Yes, but it's going to be delayed. I did say that I wouldn't be invading Poland for a while. I mean the Landtag haven't even officially discussed it yet, it's just something which everyone thinks about but doesn't bring up.

[Quirina]

Yes, but it's going to be delayed. I did say that I wouldn't be invading Poland for a while. I mean the Landtag haven't even officially discussed it yet, it's just something which everyone thinks about but doesn't bring up.

Oh. And hey, in my reserved IC post, I'll edit it and call repatriation of all Lithuanian citizens, including the Rumovan rebels. Care to give me the numbers?

[Jordslag]

Want 2,000 Finnish soldiers?

We don't really need them as of yet, though, so no.

Later on in the war, when the Amerikans make big gains, the Landtag will probably request them.

Is Prussian aggression over Poland still on? I mean, I'm not inviting it, but was just wondering. Hopefully pop will increase after 6 months.

Yes, but it's going to be delayed. I did say that I wouldn't be invading Poland for a while. I mean the Landtag haven't even officially discussed it yet, it's just something which everyone thinks about but doesn't bring up.

M'Kay. All I request is that when you inevitably win, I get free passage through your ports.

[Caltarania]

Yes, but it's going to be delayed. I did say that I wouldn't be invading Poland for a while. I mean the Landtag haven't even officially discussed it yet, it's just something which everyone thinks about but doesn't bring up.

Oh. And hey, in my reserved IC post, I'll edit it and call repatriation of all Lithuanian citizens, including the Rumovan rebels. Care to give me the numbers?

As I said before, they were never Commonwealth citizens. Prussia has controlled that area since 1415 (before that if you count the Teutons).

We don't really need them as of yet, though, so no.

Later on in the war, when the Amerikans make big gains, the Landtag will probably request them.



Yes, but it's going to be delayed. I did say that I wouldn't be invading Poland for a while. I mean the Landtag haven't even officially discussed it yet, it's just something which everyone thinks about but doesn't bring up.

M'Kay. All I request is that when you inevitably win, I get free passage through your ports.

There's no inevitably that we win.

[Jordslag]

Oh. And hey, in my reserved IC post, I'll edit it and call repatriation of all Lithuanian citizens, including the Rumovan rebels. Care to give me the numbers?

As I said before, they were never Commonwealth citizens. Prussia has controlled that area since 1415 (before that if you count the Teutons).

M'Kay. All I request is that when you inevitably win, I get free passage through your ports.

There's no inevitably that we win.

If you win then. But I highly doubt that some dumb American farmers can win against one of the strongest armies in the world.

At least, that's the opinion of the Finnish King.

[Quirina]

M'Kay. All I request is that when you inevitably win, I get free passage through your ports.

Why not make your own trade route and secure it with a navy? I mean, nobody owns the Baltic, except when somebody projects he owns it.

As I said before, they were never Commonwealth citizens. Prussia has controlled that area since 1415 (before that if you count the Teutons).

Can you please read my history (at my factbook) and check if there is something that conflicts between our histories? I might reconsider editing tho.

[Liecthenbourg]

M'Kay. All I request is that when you inevitably win, I get free passage through your ports.

Why not make your own trade route and secure it with a navy? I mean, nobody owns the Baltic, except when somebody projects he owns it.

Japan owns the Baltic.

[Jordslag]

M'Kay. All I request is that when you inevitably win, I get free passage through your ports.

Why not make your own trade route and secure it with a navy? I mean, nobody owns the Baltic, except when somebody projects he owns it.

As I said before, they were never Commonwealth citizens. Prussia has controlled that area since 1415 (before that if you count the Teutons).

Can you please read my history (at my factbook) and check if there is something that conflicts between our histories? I might reconsider editing tho.

I own Bothnian gulf... And not much else.

[Liecthenbourg]

Map should be updated as well.

[Caltarania]

As I said before, they were never Commonwealth citizens. Prussia has controlled that area since 1415 (before that if you count the Teutons).



There's no inevitably that we win.

If you win then. But I highly doubt that some dumb American farmers can win against one of the strongest armies in the world.

At least, that's the opinion of the Finnish King.

Well, Georg Waschenton was a General ITTL, too, so you'd be surprised

M'Kay. All I request is that when you inevitably win, I get free passage through your ports.

Why not make your own trade route and secure it with a navy? I mean, nobody owns the Baltic, except when somebody projects he owns it.

As I said before, they were never Commonwealth citizens. Prussia has controlled that area since 1415 (before that if you count the Teutons).

Can you please read my history (at my factbook) and check if there is something that conflicts between our histories? I might reconsider editing tho.

"The Commonwealth was able to hold its own against Sweden" How could Sweden even really attack with no Baltic ports?
"The other blow to the Commonwealth was a Swedish invasion in 1655, known as the The Deluge, which was supported by troops of Transylvanian duke George II Rákóczi and Elector of Brandenburg Frederick William" Sweden never held that, it was (mostly) held by Brandenburg since 1415.
"Commonwealth's King John III Sobieski allied himself with Leopold I to deal crushing defeats to the Ottoman Empire" The Bohemians lost their independence much earlier than that time, would Leopold still be Emperor of the HRE in that case?
"reclaim what truly belongs to the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth" clarifying that that doesn't really mean my Baltic claims considering the Commonwealth never really held them.

[Quirina]

"The Commonwealth was able to hold its own against Sweden" How could Sweden even really attack with no Baltic ports?
"The other blow to the Commonwealth was a Swedish invasion in 1655, known as the The Deluge, which was supported by troops of Transylvanian duke George II Rákóczi and Elector of Brandenburg Frederick William" Sweden never held that, it was (mostly) held by Brandenburg since 1415.
"Commonwealth's King John III Sobieski allied himself with Leopold I to deal crushing defeats to the Ottoman Empire" The Bohemians lost their independence much earlier than that time, would Leopold still be Emperor of the HRE in that case?
"reclaim what truly belongs to the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth" clarifying that that doesn't really mean my Baltic claims considering the Commonwealth never really held them.

- I can delete this.
- I can delete this.
- Oh, wait. This is my basis of Austrian-Polish friendship. Perhaps I'll ask Austria what can be a remedy for this.
- Okay, I'll change it then.

By the way, does ALL your lands were claimed historically ITTL as truly yours, And Poland, in your perspective, is a small patch of land? Did Poland even had a chance to expand and reshrink again IYTL?

[Jordslag]

Why not make your own trade route and secure it with a navy? I mean, nobody owns the Baltic, except when somebody projects he owns it.

Japan owns the Baltic.

I approve. Send navy over.

[Liecthenbourg]

Japan owns the Baltic.

I approve. Send navy over.

It's already there.

[Jordslag]

I approve. Send navy over.

It's already there.

Yay! I'll go invite you to Finland!

[Caltarania]

"The Commonwealth was able to hold its own against Sweden" How could Sweden even really attack with no Baltic ports?
"The other blow to the Commonwealth was a Swedish invasion in 1655, known as the The Deluge, which was supported by troops of Transylvanian duke George II Rákóczi and Elector of Brandenburg Frederick William" Sweden never held that, it was (mostly) held by Brandenburg since 1415.
"Commonwealth's King John III Sobieski allied himself with Leopold I to deal crushing defeats to the Ottoman Empire" The Bohemians lost their independence much earlier than that time, would Leopold still be Emperor of the HRE in that case?
"reclaim what truly belongs to the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth" clarifying that that doesn't really mean my Baltic claims considering the Commonwealth never really held them.

- I can delete this.
- I can delete this.
- Oh, wait. This is my basis of Austrian-Polish friendship. Perhaps I'll ask Austria what can be a remedy for this.
- Okay, I'll change it then.

By the way, does ALL your lands were claimed historically ITTL as truly yours, And Poland, in your perspective, is a small patch of land? Did Poland even had a chance to expand and reshrink again IYTL?

Yeah, it held everything (unless conflicting with someone else's history) except for what is currently in Prussia, and even then it still had the Balkans + de jure Prussia as a vassal-state from 1411-1415.

I approve. Send navy over.

It's already there.

So Liect, does the Emperor support the Kaiser of Amerika or the Kaiser of Prussia?

[Liecthenbourg]

- I can delete this.
- I can delete this.
- Oh, wait. This is my basis of Austrian-Polish friendship. Perhaps I'll ask Austria what can be a remedy for this.
- Okay, I'll change it then.

By the way, does ALL your lands were claimed historically ITTL as truly yours, And Poland, in your perspective, is a small patch of land? Did Poland even had a chance to expand and reshrink again IYTL?

Yeah, it held everything (unless conflicting with someone else's history) except for what is currently in Prussia, and even then it still had the Balkans + de jure Prussia as a vassal-state from 1411-1415.

It's already there.

So Liect, does the Emperor support the Kaiser of Amerika or the Kaiser of Prussia?

Well, we've not even heard of the rebellion.
Kaiser of Prussia, he's the legitimate ruler. Kaiser of Amerika is a mad man who wants power, in his Imperial Majesty's Eyes.

[Caltarania]

Yeah, it held everything (unless conflicting with someone else's history) except for what is currently in Prussia, and even then it still had the Balkans + de jure Prussia as a vassal-state from 1411-1415.



So Liect, does the Emperor support the Kaiser of Amerika or the Kaiser of Prussia?

Well, we've not even heard of the rebellion.
Kaiser of Prussia, he's the legitimate ruler. Kaiser of Amerika is a mad man who wants power, in his Imperial Majesty's Eyes.

Gut.

[Caltarania]

I should probably also mention that 'Georg Waschenton's Rebellion' and 'Amerikan War for Independence' are not interchangeable.

Hint hint, wink wink.

[Quirina]

I should probably also mention that 'Georg Waschenton's Rebellion' and 'Amerikan War for Independence' are not interchangeable.

Hint hint, wink wink.

Maybe "[insert not-George-Washington-esque-but-maybe-Prussian-name-will-do name here] War of Independence/Rebellion/Revolution/Revolutionary War".

Wait, gonna fix my nation's history again, I might change name because of revision, but how will I make a basis for the "-Lithuanian" thing in my nation's name?

[Caltarania]

I should probably also mention that 'Georg Waschenton's Rebellion' and 'Amerikan War for Independence' are not interchangeable.

Hint hint, wink wink.

Maybe "[insert not-George-Washington-esque-but-maybe-Prussian-name-will-do name here] War of Independence/Rebellion/Revolution/Revolutionary War".

Wait, gonna fix my nation's history again, I might change name because of revision, but how will I make a basis for the "-Lithuanian" thing in my nation's name?

You would have still controlled Vilnius and the massive amount of land Lithuania had that isn't in modern Lithuania.

[Caltarania]

Also the map in the OP looks just a little bit different then it should do

[Quirina]

You would have still controlled Vilnius and the massive amount of land Lithuania had that isn't in modern Lithuania.

No, you're holding Vilnius. All of supposed Lithuania in your timeline is Prussian, so how am I gonna claim the -"Lithuanian" thing? Warsaw was the farthest northern province I had. I guess you know where Lithuania is.

[Caltarania]

You would have still controlled Vilnius and the massive amount of land Lithuania had that isn't in modern Lithuania.

No, you're holding Vilnius. All of supposed Lithuania in your timeline is Prussian, so how am I gonna claim the -"Lithuanian" thing? Warsaw was the farthest northern province I had. I guess you know where Lithuania is.

Nein, Russia controls Vilnius and a small portion of Eastern Modern-day Lithuania. IIRC Russia conquered them from you, ergo you would have had them initially.

[Quirina]

No, you're holding Vilnius. All of supposed Lithuania in your timeline is Prussian, so how am I gonna claim the -"Lithuanian" thing? Warsaw was the farthest northern province I had. I guess you know where Lithuania is.

Nein, Russia controls Vilnius and a small portion of Eastern Modern-day Lithuania. IIRC Russia conquered them from you, ergo you would have had them initially.

How can you be sure of that? Valentir have not posted his TL yet, so I cannot justify "-Lithuania", hence revision might be is necessary and must make a complicated timeline just to avoid Prussian, and maybe, Russian contact.