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Bearon
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Postby Bearon » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:18 pm

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Bearon wrote:
I don't believe they should be allowed to do that as that would be OP. I mean think about it the Overlord's endgame is to rule over the Earth which means no more worshippers for the gods. What are we going to do when it gets to that point?

You're the one trying to kill gods through taking advantage of an OOC rule to prevent being OP... and you're complaining about others being OP?

Seriously?


How is trying to find out what I can do with my character and what I can't do taking advantage of anything? And when did I accuse anybody else of being OP?
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Postby Bearon » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:18 pm

Liecthenbourg wrote:
Terintania wrote:Posting slowly....

Hard keeping up with a fast-paced RP and being in others at the same time :P

Take your time. I'm sure it'll be a good post. :)


Everybody here is an amazing RP'er and I honestly can't wait to read your post.
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Postby Yoite » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:18 pm

Bearon wrote:
Yoite wrote:
The Overlord isn't going to kill everyone, and people won't stop following Mauro. Even if he rules over all.


That makes absolutely no sense you'll still let them worship gods under your rule?


You know what Bearon.

I'm done, I've had enough of you. Sorry everyone else, but I'm out as long as he is in.

Edit: I've blocked Bearon, to keep my blood pressure down, and will no longer be responding to him from this point on.
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The Batorys
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Postby The Batorys » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:19 pm

Bearon wrote:
Yoite wrote:
Yes.


Well I'm sorry to tell you this but your accusation has no grounds and is false.

Edit: Metagaming is using OOC knowledge to your advantage. The Lich doesn't gain anything from this I'm just trying to further my story line and figure out what I can and can't do.

So, you're metagaming.

There is no IC rule that gods can't interfere. That's an OOC rule made because the thread's OP and Co-OPs, wisely, didn't want anybody RPing as gods.

As far as the IC characters know, gods can and do mess with them at any time, for any reason.
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Postby Great Empire of Gamilus » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:19 pm

Everyone, what did I say before, cute stuff and try to calm down...

Tali would not want us fighting..
Do you hear the posters sing?
Singing the song of angry men?
It is the music of the short OP
that won't be seen again!

When the mods find this OP
Then this thread will be no more,
But the song will be sung again
When another comes!

OP, do you know the way?
Know the way to fix your post?
Just add details and sources to spark
Debate on these forums.

Otherwise this thread is doomed
Doomed to death by modly wrath
NSG will pick up and move on
'Till another comes!

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Bearon
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Postby Bearon » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:20 pm

Yoite wrote:
Bearon wrote:
That makes absolutely no sense you'll still let them worship gods under your rule?


You know what Bearon.

I'm done, I've had enough of you. Sorry everyone else, but I'm out as long as he is in.


I'm sorry you have to leave goodbye Yoite. Also Yoite you had to use that cliché strategy threaten to leave so that the OP who's already on your side will kick me out. So predictable but it is a flawless technique.
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Postby Liecthenbourg » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:20 pm

Bearon wrote:
Yoite wrote:
The Overlord isn't going to kill everyone, and people won't stop following Mauro. Even if he rules over all.


That makes absolutely no sense you'll still let them worship gods under your rule?

You do realise....you can't force people not to worship Gods....
It doesn't work...
The Soviet Union tried, they killed millions of people, killed clergymen, repossessed churches and that didn't stop the Orthodox Christians from still being Orthodox Christians.
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The Region of Kylaris
I'm just a simple Kylarite, trying to make my way on NS.

The Gaullican Republic,
I thank God for Three Things:
Kylaris, the death of Esquarium, and Prem <3

The Transtsabaran Federation and The Chistovodian Workers' State

To understand European history watch these: Cultural erosion, German and Italian history, a brief history of Germany.

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Postby Bearon » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:21 pm

The Batorys wrote:
Bearon wrote:
Well I'm sorry to tell you this but your accusation has no grounds and is false.

Edit: Metagaming is using OOC knowledge to your advantage. The Lich doesn't gain anything from this I'm just trying to further my story line and figure out what I can and can't do.

So, you're metagaming.

There is no IC rule that gods can't interfere. That's an OOC rule made because the thread's OP and Co-OPs, wisely, didn't want anybody RPing as gods.

As far as the IC characters know, gods can and do mess with them at any time, for any reason.


That's not what my character knows he doesn't know how the gods works though even if he did he would still try to seek vengeance against him regardless of consequences.
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Postby Terintania » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:21 pm

Bearon should be the one to leave, if anyone has to leave.
Times are looking grim these days~

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Postby Bearon » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:22 pm

Liecthenbourg wrote:
Bearon wrote:
That makes absolutely no sense you'll still let them worship gods under your rule?

You do realise....you can't force people not to worship Gods....
It doesn't work...
The Soviet Union tried, they killed millions of people, killed clergymen, repossessed churches and that didn't stop the Orthodox Christians from still being Orthodox Christians.


Yes but there's a difference from keeping any worship from happening then allowing it to happen right under your nose. As Overlord Yoite would be obliged to stomp it out and that would certainly anger those gods.
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Postby Bearon » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:23 pm

Terintania wrote:Bearon should be the one to leave, if anyone has to leave.


Yes, yes we all know how this works. I think everybody can see I'm going to be kicked by the end of this because they are smart enough to see it or are so blinded by their dislike for me that's all they can focus on.
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Postby Liecthenbourg » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:24 pm

Bearon wrote:
Liecthenbourg wrote:You do realise....you can't force people not to worship Gods....
It doesn't work...
The Soviet Union tried, they killed millions of people, killed clergymen, repossessed churches and that didn't stop the Orthodox Christians from still being Orthodox Christians.


Yes but there's a difference form keeping any worship from happening then allowing it to happen right under your nose. As Overlord Yoite would be obliged to stomp it out and that would certainly anger those gods.

If Balor was to take over the world, or even this continent, do you know how much he'd have to divert to be a "Religion Police" he'd need to dedicate so much time, resources, energy and soldiers (That could be spent elsewhere) into crushing their faith in the Gods - which in the end, will be a very long and almost hopeless process.
Impeach the Mayor of Lego City Legalise Falling into the River The Rescue Helicopter Needs to be Built! HEY!
Grand-Master of the Kyluminati


The Region of Kylaris
I'm just a simple Kylarite, trying to make my way on NS.

The Gaullican Republic,
I thank God for Three Things:
Kylaris, the death of Esquarium, and Prem <3

The Transtsabaran Federation and The Chistovodian Workers' State

To understand European history watch these: Cultural erosion, German and Italian history, a brief history of Germany.

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Postby Bearon » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:25 pm

Liecthenbourg wrote:
Bearon wrote:
Yes but there's a difference form keeping any worship from happening then allowing it to happen right under your nose. As Overlord Yoite would be obliged to stomp it out and that would certainly anger those gods.

If Balor was to take over the world, or even this continent, do you know how much he'd have to divert to be a "Religion Police" he'd need to dedicate so much time, resources, energy and soldiers (That could be spent elsewhere) into crushing their faith in the Gods - which in the end, will be a very long and almost hopeless process.


Yes it would but he'd still be obliged to stop it whenever he saw it happening and the gods would still be angered by this and the enslavement of their people. Not to mention all the followers that will be killed in the coming war.
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Postby Great Empire of Gamilus » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:25 pm

(Facepalming into brick wall.)

Okay lets clear this up.

You can't kill the gods via direct means, however you can weaken them by getting rid of a significant number of followers but this is impossible in this situation as Mauro has followers all over the world, Bearon you can IC'ly think you can kill Mauro but in reality you can't (however it would take years of police purges and crap to be rid of followers). However Gods can't be total douches to reality and decide "hey, now that you mention it that guy looks like he hates my followers more than that gods two blocks down." and proceeds to zap every mother fuck who touches his goons.


NOW EVERYONE STFU CAUSE YOU WOKE UP TALI!
Last edited by Great Empire of Gamilus on Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:26 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Do you hear the posters sing?
Singing the song of angry men?
It is the music of the short OP
that won't be seen again!

When the mods find this OP
Then this thread will be no more,
But the song will be sung again
When another comes!

OP, do you know the way?
Know the way to fix your post?
Just add details and sources to spark
Debate on these forums.

Otherwise this thread is doomed
Doomed to death by modly wrath
NSG will pick up and move on
'Till another comes!

--The Klishi Islands
a thread on Theism and Atheism

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Postby Bearon » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:26 pm

Great Empire of Gamilus wrote:(Facepalming into brick wall.)

Okay lets clear this up.

You can't kill the gods via direct means, however you can weaken them by getting rid of a significant number of followers but this is impossible in this situation as Mauro has followers all over the world, Bearon you can IC'ly think you can kill Mauro but in reality you can't (however it would take years of police purges and crap). However Gods can't be total douches to reality and decide "hey, now that you mention it that guy looks like he hates my followers more than that gods two blocks down." and proceeds to zap every mother fuck who touches his goons.


NOW EVERYONE STFU CAUSE YOU WOKE UP TALI!


I understand this and all I wanted was clarification from someone in charge.
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Postby Terintania » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:28 pm

Bearon wrote:
Terintania wrote:Bearon should be the one to leave, if anyone has to leave.


Yes, yes we all know how this works. I think everybody can see I'm going to be kicked by the end of this because they are smart enough to see it or are so blinded by their dislike for me that's all they can focus on.

I don't dislike you, I dislike your apparent constant need to argue. You could just do what you want to do in the IC and see how it goes from there. Or you could ask something and just simply accept the answer. It's the way you go about asking the questions that cause the problems. Just ask calmly and nicely for clarification, and ask clearly. If you don't understand the answer, point out calmly that you didn't understand.
Times are looking grim these days~

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Postby Great Empire of Gamilus » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:30 pm

WELL I HAVE PROVIDED THE CLARIFICATION! NOW EVERYONE POST IC'LY AND PLAY NICE!

Now I am going to go marvel at cute Quarians for a bit and finish up my 40k factions RP, when I get back everyone had better be playing nice...
Do you hear the posters sing?
Singing the song of angry men?
It is the music of the short OP
that won't be seen again!

When the mods find this OP
Then this thread will be no more,
But the song will be sung again
When another comes!

OP, do you know the way?
Know the way to fix your post?
Just add details and sources to spark
Debate on these forums.

Otherwise this thread is doomed
Doomed to death by modly wrath
NSG will pick up and move on
'Till another comes!

--The Klishi Islands
a thread on Theism and Atheism

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Postby The Batorys » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:30 pm

Bearon wrote:
The Batorys wrote:So, you're metagaming.

There is no IC rule that gods can't interfere. That's an OOC rule made because the thread's OP and Co-OPs, wisely, didn't want anybody RPing as gods.

As far as the IC characters know, gods can and do mess with them at any time, for any reason.


That's not what my character knows he doesn't know how the gods works though even if he did he would still try to seek vengeance against him regardless of consequences.

This is a medieval/ancient polytheist society.

People in such societies would tend to assume that gods can and will smite them.

Not only that, this is a society in which some of the gods clearly do exist, unambiguously so.

You are basically insisting, once again, that your character is a complete idiot.
Mallorea and Riva should resign
This is an alternate history version of Callisdrun.
Here is the (incomplete) Factbook
Ask me about The Forgotten Lands!
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Postby Bearon » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:30 pm

Terintania wrote:
Bearon wrote:
Yes, yes we all know how this works. I think everybody can see I'm going to be kicked by the end of this because they are smart enough to see it or are so blinded by their dislike for me that's all they can focus on.

I don't dislike you, I dislike your apparent constant need to argue. You could just do what you want to do in the IC and see how it goes from there. Or you could ask something and just simply accept the answer. It's the way you go about asking the questions that cause the problems. Just ask calmly and nicely for clarification, and ask clearly. If you don't understand the answer, point out calmly that you didn't understand.


Your points are all addressed by sentences in order below.

I have no need to argue I have the need to clarify.

That has always ended badly for me.

I do ask something and when an OP or Co OP tells me I accept it.

I always try to ask pleasantly.

That's what I strive to do, maybe you can't always tells as my posts cannot convey calmness in themselves.

I have always done so.
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Postby Terintania » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:31 pm

Great Empire of Gamilus wrote:WELL I HAVE PROVIDED THE CLARIFICATION! NOW EVERYONE POST IC'LY AND PLAY NICE!

Now I am going to go marvel at cute Quarians for a bit and finish up my 40k factions RP, when I get back everyone had better be playing nice...

We need Yoite, seeing as he's the Overlord.
Times are looking grim these days~

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Postby The Batorys » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:32 pm

Bearon wrote:
Liecthenbourg wrote:You do realise....you can't force people not to worship Gods....
It doesn't work...
The Soviet Union tried, they killed millions of people, killed clergymen, repossessed churches and that didn't stop the Orthodox Christians from still being Orthodox Christians.


Yes but there's a difference from keeping any worship from happening then allowing it to happen right under your nose. As Overlord Yoite would be obliged to stomp it out and that would certainly anger those gods.

Hidden belief is still belief.

Also, the Overlord likely isn't enough of a fool to stomp out people's religious beliefs for no benefit to himself.
Mallorea and Riva should resign
This is an alternate history version of Callisdrun.
Here is the (incomplete) Factbook
Ask me about The Forgotten Lands!
Pro: Feminism, environmentalism, BLM, LGBTQUILTBAG, BDSM, unions, hyphy, Lenin, Ho Chi Minh, Oakland, old San Francisco, the Alliance to Restore the Republic, and fully automated gay luxury space communism
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Postby Terintania » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:32 pm

Bearon wrote:
Terintania wrote:I don't dislike you, I dislike your apparent constant need to argue. You could just do what you want to do in the IC and see how it goes from there. Or you could ask something and just simply accept the answer. It's the way you go about asking the questions that cause the problems. Just ask calmly and nicely for clarification, and ask clearly. If you don't understand the answer, point out calmly that you didn't understand.


Your points are all addressed by sentences in order below.

I have no need to argue I have the need to clarify.

That has always ended badly for me.

I do ask something and when an OP or Co OP tells me I accept it.

I always try to ask pleasantly.

That's what I strive to do, maybe you can't always tells as my posts cannot convey calmness in themselves.

I have always done so.

Well, no one else has had the problems you have, so clearly it's something you're doing.
Times are looking grim these days~

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Postby The Batorys » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:33 pm

Bearon wrote:
Liecthenbourg wrote:If Balor was to take over the world, or even this continent, do you know how much he'd have to divert to be a "Religion Police" he'd need to dedicate so much time, resources, energy and soldiers (That could be spent elsewhere) into crushing their faith in the Gods - which in the end, will be a very long and almost hopeless process.


Yes it would but he'd still be obliged to stop it whenever he saw it happening and the gods would still be angered by this and the enslavement of their people. Not to mention all the followers that will be killed in the coming war.

Why would he be "obliged" to?

He's evil, not stupid.
Mallorea and Riva should resign
This is an alternate history version of Callisdrun.
Here is the (incomplete) Factbook
Ask me about The Forgotten Lands!
Pro: Feminism, environmentalism, BLM, LGBTQUILTBAG, BDSM, unions, hyphy, Lenin, Ho Chi Minh, Oakland, old San Francisco, the Alliance to Restore the Republic, and fully automated gay luxury space communism
Anti: Misogyny, fossil fuels, racism, homophobia, kink-shaming, capitalism, LA, Silicon Valley, techies, Brezhnev, the Galactic Empire, and the "alt-right"

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Postby Bearon » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:33 pm

The Batorys wrote:
Bearon wrote:
That's not what my character knows he doesn't know how the gods works though even if he did he would still try to seek vengeance against him regardless of consequences.

This is a medieval/ancient polytheist society.

People in such societies would tend to assume that gods can and will smite them.

Not only that, this is a society in which some of the gods clearly do exist, unambiguously so.

You are basically insisting, once again, that your character is a complete idiot.


Every post you have made for the last 20 minutes have been antagonistic in the most extreme I ask that you please stop.

Now that that's done my character lived in a town of peasants who were treated harshly by people who were supposed followers of Mauro. Grey does not know the capabilities of these gods as a priest would. That being said he should have some knowledge of their capabilities and how real they are but we never specified the people's feeling towards the gods and what they're overall stance might be.
Nothing to see here. Move along.

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Postby Bearon » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:34 pm

Terintania wrote:
Great Empire of Gamilus wrote:WELL I HAVE PROVIDED THE CLARIFICATION! NOW EVERYONE POST IC'LY AND PLAY NICE!

Now I am going to go marvel at cute Quarians for a bit and finish up my 40k factions RP, when I get back everyone had better be playing nice...

We need Yoite, seeing as he's the Overlord.


Yes we do.
Nothing to see here. Move along.

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