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by Liecthenbourg » Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:56 pm


by Bearon » Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:57 pm

by Conscentia » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:01 pm
Bearon wrote:Well Grey/The Lich's plot is very tied together with his hate for Mauro because of the abuse he suffered at the hands of its followers and thinking they destroyed the town and killed his son won't do much to relieve him of that loathing and while we now know it is not possible to kill a god The Lich/Grey won't know that and besides searching for a way to do so probably by going to the Angel for help his secondary goals will be killing those that align themselves with Mauro. If I did kill enough of his followers to make a dent in his numbers would he potentially smite me?
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by Great Empire of Gamilus » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:03 pm
Conscentia wrote:Bearon wrote:Well Grey/The Lich's plot is very tied together with his hate for Mauro because of the abuse he suffered at the hands of its followers and thinking they destroyed the town and killed his son won't do much to relieve him of that loathing and while we now know it is not possible to kill a god The Lich/Grey won't know that and besides searching for a way to do so probably by going to the Angel for help his secondary goals will be killing those that align themselves with Mauro. If I did kill enough of his followers to make a dent in his numbers would he potentially smite me?
I don't like the idea of gods directly interfering. I think the retribution should come from his cult.

by Bearon » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:03 pm
Conscentia wrote:Bearon wrote:Well Grey/The Lich's plot is very tied together with his hate for Mauro because of the abuse he suffered at the hands of its followers and thinking they destroyed the town and killed his son won't do much to relieve him of that loathing and while we now know it is not possible to kill a god The Lich/Grey won't know that and besides searching for a way to do so probably by going to the Angel for help his secondary goals will be killing those that align themselves with Mauro. If I did kill enough of his followers to make a dent in his numbers would he potentially smite me?
I don't like the idea of gods directly interfering. I think the retribution should come from his cult.

by Great Empire of Gamilus » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:04 pm

by The Batorys » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:05 pm

by The Batorys » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:06 pm

by Bearon » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:07 pm
The Batorys wrote:Bearon wrote:
Can I weaken gods by killing all their followers?
Lots of the gods are worshiped in multiple societies. This would be more effort than it would be worth. It would realistically also stand a good chance of drawing a deity into direct interference to smite the crap out of such a person. And, given that none of the player characters are gods themselves, that would be a bad plan for a character to attempt.
Another thing is that killing a gods' followers could be interpreted by some gods, perhaps elder ones, as blood sacrifice. This would piss off said god (who is already more powerful than any of the player characters, because we're not playing gods here) while also giving them a boost in power.
Currently gods can only be involved indirectly, because otherwise that would be unfair. However, I don't think it makes much sense that they'd stay uninvolved if you were directly attacking them.
So don't. It would essentially be game-breaking.

by Delmonte » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:09 pm
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by Bearon » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:11 pm
Delmonte wrote:Bearon wrote:
I believe the same but I don't want to go against the wishes of the Co OP or OP.
It has been established that God's can't interfere in that way. However, if you were enough of a nuisance to Mauro he could make it very clear to his followers that he wants you gone and give them various boons. It's notable that if you upset the balance enough through murder, you will not just be invoking Mary's ire but that of Vidia and Cerin as well. If you thought one god was bad...

by Bearon » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:12 pm
The Batorys wrote:Bearon wrote:
Gods aren't allowed to directly interfere in mortal affairs like that.
Only because it's an OOC rule for the sake of not breaking the RP.
Trying to take advantage of that OOC rule IC is metagaming.
It's not reasonable to expect that a god in this universe would do nothing while being directly attacked.
In such a case, I would suggest that the OP or a co-OP temporarily RPs that god long enough to law the smack down on whichever character is being stupid enough to attack a god.
So yeah, possible, but incredibly stupid.

by The Batorys » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:12 pm
Bearon wrote:The Batorys wrote:Lots of the gods are worshiped in multiple societies. This would be more effort than it would be worth. It would realistically also stand a good chance of drawing a deity into direct interference to smite the crap out of such a person. And, given that none of the player characters are gods themselves, that would be a bad plan for a character to attempt.
Another thing is that killing a gods' followers could be interpreted by some gods, perhaps elder ones, as blood sacrifice. This would piss off said god (who is already more powerful than any of the player characters, because we're not playing gods here) while also giving them a boost in power.
Currently gods can only be involved indirectly, because otherwise that would be unfair. However, I don't think it makes much sense that they'd stay uninvolved if you were directly attacking them.
So don't. It would essentially be game-breaking.
That's if the gods are allowed to do that. There might be divine laws that prevent them from doing such things unless through use of an avatar or such.

by Yoite » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:13 pm
Bearon wrote:The Batorys wrote:Only because it's an OOC rule for the sake of not breaking the RP.
Trying to take advantage of that OOC rule IC is metagaming.
It's not reasonable to expect that a god in this universe would do nothing while being directly attacked.
In such a case, I would suggest that the OP or a co-OP temporarily RPs that god long enough to law the smack down on whichever character is being stupid enough to attack a god.
So yeah, possible, but incredibly stupid.
Excuse me but did you just accuse me of Metagaming when I was simply asking what the gods could and would do?

by Terintania » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:13 pm


by Bearon » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:15 pm
The Batorys wrote:Bearon wrote:
That's if the gods are allowed to do that. There might be divine laws that prevent them from doing such things unless through use of an avatar or such.
IC, the main reason gods wouldn't want to get directly involved in things is that it would draw in other gods and lead to a big cluster fuck. Gods might be able to actually hurt other gods. So most of the time you would expect gods to work through mortal intermediaries.
A god getting directly attacked, though, wouldn't care about that, and would wipe the one doing the attacking off the face of the planet quite quickly. I suggest giving the OP the responsibility/power to make that happen in such a scenario.

by The Batorys » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:15 pm
Bearon wrote:The Batorys wrote:Only because it's an OOC rule for the sake of not breaking the RP.
Trying to take advantage of that OOC rule IC is metagaming.
It's not reasonable to expect that a god in this universe would do nothing while being directly attacked.
In such a case, I would suggest that the OP or a co-OP temporarily RPs that god long enough to law the smack down on whichever character is being stupid enough to attack a god.
So yeah, possible, but incredibly stupid.
Excuse me but did you just accuse me of Metagaming when I was simply asking what the gods could and would do?

by Bearon » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:15 pm

by Yoite » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:16 pm
Bearon wrote:The Batorys wrote:IC, the main reason gods wouldn't want to get directly involved in things is that it would draw in other gods and lead to a big cluster fuck. Gods might be able to actually hurt other gods. So most of the time you would expect gods to work through mortal intermediaries.
A god getting directly attacked, though, wouldn't care about that, and would wipe the one doing the attacking off the face of the planet quite quickly. I suggest giving the OP the responsibility/power to make that happen in such a scenario.
I don't believe they should be allowed to do that as that would be OP. I mean think about it the Overlord's endgame is to rule over the Earth which means no more worshippers for the gods. What are we going to do when it gets to that point?

by The Batorys » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:16 pm
Bearon wrote:The Batorys wrote:IC, the main reason gods wouldn't want to get directly involved in things is that it would draw in other gods and lead to a big cluster fuck. Gods might be able to actually hurt other gods. So most of the time you would expect gods to work through mortal intermediaries.
A god getting directly attacked, though, wouldn't care about that, and would wipe the one doing the attacking off the face of the planet quite quickly. I suggest giving the OP the responsibility/power to make that happen in such a scenario.
I don't believe they should be allowed to do that as that would be OP. I mean think about it the Overlord's endgame is to rule over the Earth which means no more worshippers for the gods. What are we going to do when it gets to that point?

by Liecthenbourg » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:16 pm
Terintania wrote:Posting slowly....
Hard keeping up with a fast-paced RP and being in others at the same time


by Bearon » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:17 pm
Yoite wrote:Bearon wrote:
I don't believe they should be allowed to do that as that would be OP. I mean think about it the Overlord's endgame is to rule over the Earth which means no more worshippers for the gods. What are we going to do when it gets to that point?
The Overlord isn't going to kill everyone, and people won't stop following Mauro. Even if he rules over all.
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