The Council of the Multiverse I (P2TM RP Group/Chat Thread)

[TriStates]

@Van & Rebel, with your ideas, I'd be interested for what you guys have in mind. Though I'd probably join at a later date. My RP list is all filled up for now.

And Temp, I've got three apps in the works for Team Galactic. If your in the mood and have the time, I'd like to clear some things with you before I make the bio's.

[The Templar High Council]

@Van & Rebel, with your ideas, I'd be interested for what you guys have in mind. Though I'd probably join at a later date. My RP list is all filled up for now.

And Temp, I've got three apps in the works for Team Galactic. If your in the mood and have the time, I'd like to clear some things with you before I make the bio's.

Let's take it TG then. Send me your ideas.

[The Orson Empire]

OK, some of ya'll may know that I have been planning on making a Star Wars RP. Namely Atria, Neros and a couple others.

Here is the general idea.

It will be a alternate history RP set in the Star Wars Galaxy right after the Battle of Endor. The only thing is, the outcome of this battle is very different from what happened in canon. In short, it ends in a very inconclusive way.

The Empire destroys most of the Rebel Fleet and manage to kill most of it's heroes. Luke and Company, however, Vader still turned on his master and killed the Emperor and destroyed the Second Death Star. Admiral Ackbar manages to form a retreat from the system saving a portion of the Rebel Strength, about half and dies of his own wounds. AS the Rebels retreat to a small world that they discovered a year prior called Tantus II, they form a new central HQ there. While the Empire's Grand Moffs, declare Endor a great victory and the Rebellion on the verge of defeat. Which is half true.

The Rebellion has suffered greatly in the battle, and must find new heroes to lead them, secure new allies, equipment and continue their own war against the Empire as they struggle to make Tantus II a center of rebellion. They have to reorganize as well as coordinate with their own sector forces, who are starting to try and be more independent, as they are losing faith in the leadership of the Rebel Alliance, more and more inner factions within it try to break away.

But the Empire itself is on a delicate blade, as the Grand Moffs begin to secretly plot against each other. But once word spreads of the Emperor's and Vader's deaths as well as the destruction of the Second Death Star, the anti alien dogma of the Empire combined with it's current decline, sparks renewed CIS sentiment on many alien worlds, and with such problems, the Grand Moffs can easily turn to warlords and have the Empire collapse on itself. The Empire's continued existence depends on a new and powerful leader.

As for the renewed CIS, they are out and trying to establish and enforce their claimed boundries while preparing for war with the Empire. They are scattered and have a weak military complex, a inexperienced military made up of a bizarre mixture of old droids and alien armies with a couple human worlds thrown in.

And then finally we have the Chiss Ascendancy, which exits long time isolation seeing potential to rule the galaxy, by seizing control of the Empire by disguising themselves as allies. Trying to assert their own influence as they quietly attempt to make the great Galactic Empire nothing more than their own puppet regime, so that they can make full use of their economic and military complexes.

The RP will be a mixture of character and grand strategy. With characters decisions having far reaching affects and allowing us to battle in our own version of a great conflict in the Star Wars Galaxy.

This idea is hardly refined and needs to be molded, but who is interested?

Alright, I know this is my first time posting in this thread, but I came across this idea and had to comment on it. This idea sounds amazing, and I am definitely interested in it.

[Seraven]

Anyway, I think we may need a definitive, and enforced set of rules. I know that we're all friends and mostly mature, but this has been the second time now, and whether it's meant in jest or not, it reflects poorly on all of us and all of P2TM.

Ugh. I just... expect things. Like that everyone here knows what they're doing, and that I only need to be here to contribute ideas and laugh. I didn't found this with rules in mind, that's the whole reason we don't even have an application.

But... if someone thinks it necessary... TG me some examples. I don't even want to be the one to make them.

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I actually support socialism. When done correctly.

Me too, support of socialism.

[Finland SSR]

Ugh. I just... expect things. Like that everyone here knows what they're doing, and that I only need to be here to contribute ideas and laugh. I didn't found this with rules in mind, that's the whole reason we don't even have an application.

But... if someone thinks it necessary... TG me some examples. I don't even want to be the one to make them.


I actually support socialism. When done correctly.

Me too, support of socialism.

Everytime I hear someone presenting themselves as a socialist, I die a little inside. Bit by bit.

It's really influenced by what my country and family had to go through in Soviet Lithuania.

[The Rebel Alliances]

Well, glad that my idea seems to be getting some support. I will try to get a OOC up tomorrow.

As for the Capitalism and Socialism comments. I love Capitalism. And I am poor. Legally speaking.

[New Jordslag]

Me too, support of socialism.

Everytime I hear someone presenting themselves as a socialist, I die a little inside. Bit by bit.

It's really influenced by what my country and family had to go through in Soviet Lithuania.

Understandable.

Anyway, I think we may need a definitive, and enforced set of rules. I know that we're all friends and mostly mature, but this has been the second time now, and whether it's meant in jest or not, it reflects poorly on all of us and all of P2TM.

Ugh. I just... expect things. Like that everyone here knows what they're doing, and that I only need to be here to contribute ideas and laugh. I didn't found this with rules in mind, that's the whole reason we don't even have an application.

But... if someone thinks it necessary... TG me some examples. I don't even want to be the one to make them.

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I actually support socialism. When done correctly.

It is indeed a wonderful system.

[The Republic of Atria]

Me too, support of socialism.

Everytime I hear someone presenting themselves as a socialist, I die a little inside. Bit by bit.

It's really influenced by what my country and family had to go through in Soviet Lithuania.

Don't worry Finland. Rebel and I still support Capitalism. True socialism has been tried, and it's always failed.

I'm of the same opinion of people who support Communism.

[The Fallen Jedi]

Not saying that I'm a true fan of Socialism (Marxism-Leninism), but ever since I've read up about Vladimir Lenin, It's gained my attention ever since and I might study more about it.

[The Republic of Atria]

Not saying that I'm a true fan of Socialism (Marxism-Leninism), but ever since I've read up about Vladimir Lenin, It's gained my attention ever since and I might study more about it.

While an interesting read for history's sake.

"Those who don't learn from history, are doomed to repeat it." -Some guy I'm too lazy to google.

Communism has been tried properly and it failed and millions of people died. I don't think we need MORE people dying to try and prove a system of government just doesn't work. No matter how good it sounds in theory, the human element will always ruin it.

[The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness]

While I can definitely see the ideal in the ideology, it's proven that it won't work in reality.

[The Republic of Atria]

While I can definitely see the ideal in the ideology, it's proven that it won't work in reality.

Socialism, on paper, is a great idea. However, as demonstrated by yesterday. Humans are fickle assholes.

[New Jordslag]

Not saying that I'm a true fan of Socialism (Marxism-Leninism), but ever since I've read up about Vladimir Lenin, It's gained my attention ever since and I might study more about it.

While an interesting read for history's sake.

"Those who don't learn from history, are doomed to repeat it." -Some guy I'm too lazy to google.

Communism has been tried properly and it failed and millions of people died. I don't think we need MORE people dying to try and prove a system of government just doesn't work. No matter how good it sounds in theory, the human element will always ruin it.

Which is exactly why I'm not a Communist. I'm a Socialist. There's a difference, and a damn big one at that.

Socialism, unlike Communism, is working. Denmark, for example, has a Socialist party in power, and is now one of cleanest and happiest countries in the world, as well as having a very high standard of living.

So you know what? I agree with you. Communism does not work. But grouping Socialism together with Communism makes as much sense as grouping Conservatism with Fascism.

[The Republic of Atria]

While an interesting read for history's sake.

"Those who don't learn from history, are doomed to repeat it." -Some guy I'm too lazy to google.

Communism has been tried properly and it failed and millions of people died. I don't think we need MORE people dying to try and prove a system of government just doesn't work. No matter how good it sounds in theory, the human element will always ruin it.

Which is exactly why I'm not a Communist. I'm a Socialist. There's a difference, and a damn big one at that.

Socialism, unlike Communism, is working. Denmark, for example, has a Socialist party in power, and is now one of cleanest and happiest countries in the world, as well as having a very high standard of living.

So you know what? I agree with you. Communism does not work. But grouping Socialism together with Communism makes as much sense as grouping Conservatism with Fascism.

That's Socialism mixed with Capitalism. There are no true 100% Socialist countries. Capitalism is the best form in my opinion because it works with the natural asshole nature of humans rather than against it.

[The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness]

While an interesting read for history's sake.

"Those who don't learn from history, are doomed to repeat it." -Some guy I'm too lazy to google.

Communism has been tried properly and it failed and millions of people died. I don't think we need MORE people dying to try and prove a system of government just doesn't work. No matter how good it sounds in theory, the human element will always ruin it.

Which is exactly why I'm not a Communist. I'm a Socialist. There's a difference, and a damn big one at that.

Socialism, unlike Communism, is working. Denmark, for example, has a Socialist party in power, and is now one of cleanest and happiest countries in the world, as well as having a very high standard of living.

So you know what? I agree with you. Communism does not work. But grouping Socialism together with Communism makes as much sense as grouping Conservatism with Fascism.

Cuba is a socialist nation, I believe.

The model used in Great Brittain, Germany, and the Netherlands work best - while the Scandinavian model offers more social security, it also allows for employers to fire their employees without much trouble. Both offer social security and healthcare, but I find the Western-European one to be better than the Scandinavian model.

[New Jordslag]

Which is exactly why I'm not a Communist. I'm a Socialist. There's a difference, and a damn big one at that.

Socialism, unlike Communism, is working. Denmark, for example, has a Socialist party in power, and is now one of cleanest and happiest countries in the world, as well as having a very high standard of living.

So you know what? I agree with you. Communism does not work. But grouping Socialism together with Communism makes as much sense as grouping Conservatism with Fascism.

Cuba is a socialist nation, I believe.

The model used in Great Brittain, Germany, and the Netherlands work best - while the Scandinavian model offers more social security, it also allows for employers to fire their employees without much trouble. Both offer social security and healthcare, but I find the Western-European one to be better than the Scandinavian model.

Fair enough.

Which is exactly why I'm not a Communist. I'm a Socialist. There's a difference, and a damn big one at that.

Socialism, unlike Communism, is working. Denmark, for example, has a Socialist party in power, and is now one of cleanest and happiest countries in the world, as well as having a very high standard of living.

So you know what? I agree with you. Communism does not work. But grouping Socialism together with Communism makes as much sense as grouping Conservatism with Fascism.

That's Socialism mixed with Capitalism. There are no true 100% Socialist countries. Capitalism is the best form in my opinion because it works with the natural asshole nature of humans rather than against it.

No nation will ever be truly Socialist. Private Business will always exist. But while Capitalism is great in it's own right, butvit needs to be tempered by Socialism.

[The Republic of Atria]

Cuba is a socialist nation, I believe.

The model used in Great Brittain, Germany, and the Netherlands work best - while the Scandinavian model offers more social security, it also allows for employers to fire their employees without much trouble. Both offer social security and healthcare, but I find the Western-European one to be better than the Scandinavian model.

Fair enough.

That's Socialism mixed with Capitalism. There are no true 100% Socialist countries. Capitalism is the best form in my opinion because it works with the natural asshole nature of humans rather than against it.

No nation will ever be truly Socialist. Private Business will always exist. But while Capitalism is great in it's own right, butvit needs to be tempered by Socialism.

Nah. You do that and ruin everything great about capitalism. Without incentive to succeed, no one will bother. The whole reason we have the things we enjoy is because of Capitalism.

As much as I hate anime, it can be used as a great example. If someone makes a great anime and makes a lot of money off of it, someone else will want to do the same, and make their own. Now you have two great animes. If you take away the incentive (Money) they won't bother making new ones because there is literally no point.

[New Jordslag]

Fair enough.


No nation will ever be truly Socialist. Private Business will always exist. But while Capitalism is great in it's own right, butvit needs to be tempered by Socialism.

Nah. You do that and ruin everything great about capitalism. Without incentive to succeed, no one will bother. The whole reason we have the things we enjoy is because of Capitalism.

As much as I hate anime, it can be used as a great example. If someone makes a great anime and makes a lot of money off of it, someone else will want to do the same, and make their own. Now you have two great animes. If you take away the incentive (Money) they won't bother making new ones because there is literally no point.

Socialism doesn't take away the incentive, however. So long as Capitalist groups exist, they have incentive to remain innovative. Socialism does wonderfully, so long as it continues to face challenges from Capitalism.

Socialism also doesn't take away money. It simply handles it in a different way. Whether or not you agree with the way they handle it, you cannot complain about them having no incentive, for as long as Capitalism exists, they will.

[The Republic of Atria]

Nah. You do that and ruin everything great about capitalism. Without incentive to succeed, no one will bother. The whole reason we have the things we enjoy is because of Capitalism.

As much as I hate anime, it can be used as a great example. If someone makes a great anime and makes a lot of money off of it, someone else will want to do the same, and make their own. Now you have two great animes. If you take away the incentive (Money) they won't bother making new ones because there is literally no point.

Socialism doesn't take away the incentive, however. So long as Capitalist groups exist, they have incentive to remain innovative. Socialism does wonderfully, so long as it continues to face challenges from Capitalism.

Socialism also doesn't take away money. It simply handles it in a different way. Whether or not you agree with the way they handle it, you cannot complain about them having no incentive, for as long as Capitalism exists, they will.

Not directly. But taxes do. They hurt profits quite a bit.

[The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness]

Socialism doesn't take away the incentive, however. So long as Capitalist groups exist, they have incentive to remain innovative. Socialism does wonderfully, so long as it continues to face challenges from Capitalism.

Socialism also doesn't take away money. It simply handles it in a different way. Whether or not you agree with the way they handle it, you cannot complain about them having no incentive, for as long as Capitalism exists, they will.

Not directly. But taxes do. They hurt profits quite a bit.

Taxes are, however, necessary.

[The Republic of Atria]

Not directly. But taxes do. They hurt profits quite a bit.

Taxes are, however, necessary.

Some taxes? Of course. We need cops, and fire department, an army and all other tax funded stuff.

Excessive taxes? No.

[The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness]

Taxes are, however, necessary.

Some taxes? Of course. We need cops, and fire department, an army and all other tax funded stuff.

Excessive taxes? No.

I'm quite fond with the tax system here - income levels are divided in 3 levels, with more tax being payed over the money in the second and third level, and with other tax rates for income from possessions.

[New Jordslag]

Socialism doesn't take away the incentive, however. So long as Capitalist groups exist, they have incentive to remain innovative. Socialism does wonderfully, so long as it continues to face challenges from Capitalism.

Socialism also doesn't take away money. It simply handles it in a different way. Whether or not you agree with the way they handle it, you cannot complain about them having no incentive, for as long as Capitalism exists, they will.

Not directly. But taxes do. They hurt profits quite a bit.

'Tis the price of a high standard of living.

Besides, there are plenty of countries that have insane tax rates- like Norway, for example- whose Companies are doing quite well for themselves. It's not like Socialism is causing mass economic failure among Private Businesses.

[Mirakai]

Wow. I take a break from NS for a day, I get warned (twice!), Rob is DEAT, several people have Temp bans, and now we are having serious discussions about rules...

We definitely need some rules

[The Starlight]

Here's what I've got.

1. No insults regarding other RPer's countries. Playful is fine, but if the recipient does not tolerate it, cease and desist.
2. Any words towards other RPers that the recipient finds offensive or insulting are to be stopped and deleted.
3. Be respectful and civil towards others, but still have fun.
4. No baiting of any kind.
5. Arguments are to be taken to TGs. Playful banter that doesn't get too serious is fine, but if a bystander tells you that you've crossed the line, take it to TGs.
6. If you don't like a person here, and yet, want to be part of the community, put them on ignore and actually ignore each other.
7. If an argument starts, don't jump on the bandwagon and get involved.
8. if you're angry enough to make bad choices, simply don't post.

Consequences
3 Warning System?