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Saragrossa
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Postby Saragrossa » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:17 pm

And CSA didn't formally declare against Colombia and just moved against them so the Pacific is simply returning the favor so i don't look as dishonorable as I do initially.

Thanks hanny =)

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The Kingdom of Glitter
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Postby The Kingdom of Glitter » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:18 pm

Lunas Legion wrote:
But it is over unofficially, as I presume a ceasefire exists?


A shot was never fired between them, just a blockade.

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Postby The Grand Republic of Hannover » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:18 pm

Lunas Legion wrote:
The Grand Republic of Hannover wrote:
In other words, the statement that argues that there is no war because there wasn't a formal declaration is invalid. There is, in fact, a war that has not been declared over officially because there was not a communique, treaty, and/or legal, international document signed.


But it is over unofficially, as I presume a ceasefire exists?


I am not sure. I think so, however Colombia can still legally attack (or I should rather say, counter-attack) the CSA without entering a new war, or so does my ignorant logic concludes.
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Postby Lunas Legion » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:19 pm

Saragrossa wrote:And CSA didn't formally declare against Colombia and just moved against them so the Pacific is simply returning the favor so i don't look as dishonorable as I do initially.

Thanks hanny =)

We ride or die together haha


The CSA doesn't even know you've attacked.

And just because we did it doesn't mean you won't face the consequences for not doing so. Your fleet is out of action for a month or so returning to the West Coast, and I'm confident my remaining navy can smash whatever the Mexicans/Colombia can cobble together.
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Postby The Grand Republic of Hannover » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:19 pm

The Kingdom of Glitter wrote:
Lunas Legion wrote:
But it is over unofficially, as I presume a ceasefire exists?


A shot was never fired between them, just a blockade.


A shot was fired as well. A number of shots actually.
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Postby Lunas Legion » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:20 pm

The Grand Republic of Hannover wrote:
Lunas Legion wrote:
But it is over unofficially, as I presume a ceasefire exists?


I am not sure. I think so, however Colombia can still legally attack (or I should rather say, counter-attack) the CSA without entering a new war, or so does my ignorant logic concludes.


If a ceasefire exists, then they can't attack them without breaking said ceasefire.
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Postby The Kingdom of Glitter » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:20 pm

The Grand Republic of Hannover wrote:
A shot was fired as well. A number of shots actually.


Wait, the CSA actually attacked you during your war with Mexico?

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Postby The Grand Republic of Hannover » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:21 pm

Lunas Legion wrote:
Saragrossa wrote:And CSA didn't formally declare against Colombia and just moved against them so the Pacific is simply returning the favor so i don't look as dishonorable as I do initially.

Thanks hanny =)

We ride or die together haha


The CSA doesn't even know you've attacked.

And just because we did it doesn't mean you won't face the consequences for not doing so. Your fleet is out of action for a month or so returning to the West Coast, and I'm confident my remaining navy can smash whatever the Mexicans/Colombia can cobble together.


I don't think the Confederate Navy is that strong. Sure, it is the most powerful in the Caribbean, but it is not an uber-power.

The Mexican navy is the second largest not very far away from yours, I am guessing.
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Postby Saragrossa » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:22 pm

The Grand Republic of Hannover wrote:
Lunas Legion wrote:
The CSA doesn't even know you've attacked.

And just because we did it doesn't mean you won't face the consequences for not doing so. Your fleet is out of action for a month or so returning to the West Coast, and I'm confident my remaining navy can smash whatever the Mexicans/Colombia can cobble together.


I don't think the Confederate Navy is that strong. Sure, it is the most powerful in the Caribbean, but it is not an uber-power.

The Mexican navy is the second largest not very far away from yours, I am guessing.


Didn't CSA return the ships to port after Mexico got owned?
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Postby The Grand Republic of Hannover » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:22 pm

The Kingdom of Glitter wrote:
The Grand Republic of Hannover wrote:
A shot was fired as well. A number of shots actually.


Wait, the CSA actually attacked you during your war with Mexico?


"The city awoke the next morning to find the fleet there firing a round of demonstrations. The cannon shots woke the city up promptly at 7:00 as all the ships that could fire, did. The demonstrations were met as a show of strength. At noon, a gun boat sailed into harbor carrying a messenger to the mayor. He'd wait to be received but he had his message ready. "

Link: viewtopic.php?p=19292542#p19292542
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Postby Lunas Legion » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:23 pm

The Grand Republic of Hannover wrote:
Lunas Legion wrote:
The CSA doesn't even know you've attacked.

And just because we did it doesn't mean you won't face the consequences for not doing so. Your fleet is out of action for a month or so returning to the West Coast, and I'm confident my remaining navy can smash whatever the Mexicans/Colombia can cobble together.


I don't think the Confederate Navy is that strong. Sure, it is the most powerful in the Caribbean, but it is not an uber-power.

The Mexican navy is the second largest not very far away from yours, I am guessing.


Then I'll use fleet-in-being doctrine. If the Tirptiz can tie up the Royal Navy's Home Fleet, the CSA Navy can do the same in the Carribbean.
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Postby Saragrossa » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:25 pm

Lunas Legion wrote:
The Grand Republic of Hannover wrote:
I don't think the Confederate Navy is that strong. Sure, it is the most powerful in the Caribbean, but it is not an uber-power.

The Mexican navy is the second largest not very far away from yours, I am guessing.


Then I'll use fleet-in-being doctrine. If the Tirptiz can tie up the Royal Navy's Home Fleet, the CSA Navy can do the same in the Carribbean.


You would literally being playing into our hand.
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Postby Garwall » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:26 pm

So, uh. How do I join this wonderful little RP?
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Postby Saragrossa » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:26 pm

Garwall wrote:So, uh. How do I join this wonderful little RP?


Garwall! Long time buddy, theres a roster and pick a country.
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Postby The Grand Republic of Hannover » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:27 pm

Garwall wrote:So, uh. How do I join this wonderful little RP?


Welcome! :hug:
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Postby Lunas Legion » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:28 pm

Saragrossa wrote:
Lunas Legion wrote:
Then I'll use fleet-in-being doctrine. If the Tirptiz can tie up the Royal Navy's Home Fleet, the CSA Navy can do the same in the Carribbean.


You would literally being playing into our hand.


How? I'd be keeping my fleet intact, and forcing you to use ships to keep it blockaded while my subs are free to harass the Carribbean.
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Postby Mishmahig » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:28 pm

Lunas Legion wrote:
The Kingdom of Glitter wrote:
he is talking about an old war with Mexico he had. The CSA never declared war on him but he claims they have been at war with the CSA since then and the CSA has been an NPC the entire time.


Why would the CSA ally with Mexico, if they have the much more capable France as a ally?


CSA is not allied to France.

France thinks Mexico is a threat to French interests, is an unstable country, is rogue, etc, etc, etc.

France sees Mexico's attack as yet another example of their instability, and is intervening to end the Mexican threat for once and for all. We like the Confederacy, but we're not allied -- it's a...coalition, essentially.

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Postby Saragrossa » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:30 pm

Lunas Legion wrote:
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You would literally being playing into our hand.


How? I'd be keeping my fleet intact, and forcing you to use ships to keep it blockaded while my subs are free to harass the Carribbean.


You have one submarine and we can convoy it.

If you port your ships into port.

We will literally torpedo your fleet to pieces, read up on Port of Arthur and how Japs crippled the Russian fleet while it did fleet in being tactic
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Postby Lunas Legion » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:30 pm

Mishmahig wrote:
Lunas Legion wrote:
Why would the CSA ally with Mexico, if they have the much more capable France as a ally?


CSA is not allied to France.

France thinks Mexico is a threat to French interests, is an unstable country, is rogue, etc, etc, etc.

France sees Mexico's attack as yet another example of their instability, and is intervening to end the Mexican threat for once and for all. We like the Confederacy, but we're not allied -- it's a...coalition, essentially.


So effectively two nations with a mutual interest rather than allies, a la UK/USSR in WW2?
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Postby Mishmahig » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:32 pm

Garwall wrote:So, uh. How do I join this wonderful little RP?


Garwall! :hug:

Take Iberia. Please.

Lunas Legion wrote:
Mishmahig wrote:
CSA is not allied to France.

France thinks Mexico is a threat to French interests, is an unstable country, is rogue, etc, etc, etc.

France sees Mexico's attack as yet another example of their instability, and is intervening to end the Mexican threat for once and for all. We like the Confederacy, but we're not allied -- it's a...coalition, essentially.


So effectively two nations with a mutual interest rather than allies, a la UK/USSR in WW2?


Exactly! I assume, of course, that you would accept the French help, but that's up to you, of course. If the CSA declines, France will sit out the war.

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Postby Lunas Legion » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:33 pm

Mishmahig wrote:
Garwall wrote:So, uh. How do I join this wonderful little RP?


Garwall! :hug:

Take Iberia. Please.

Lunas Legion wrote:
So effectively two nations with a mutual interest rather than allies, a la UK/USSR in WW2?


Exactly! I assume, of course, that you would accept the French help, but that's up to you, of course. If the CSA declines, France will sit out the war.


I'll take all the help I can get.
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Postby The Grand Republic of Hannover » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:36 pm

Mishmahig wrote:
Lunas Legion wrote:
Why would the CSA ally with Mexico, if they have the much more capable France as a ally?


CSA is not allied to France.

France thinks Mexico is a threat to French interests, is an unstable country, is rogue, etc, etc, etc.

France sees Mexico's attack as yet another example of their instability, and is intervening to end the Mexican threat for once and for all. We like the Confederacy, but we're not allied -- it's a...coalition, essentially.


Can Colombia into French investment? :unsure:
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Postby Saragrossa » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:36 pm

One might argue that Mexico with Pacific and Colombia is stablizing its government by shoring itself up with its two regional neighbors and other developing nations.
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Postby Lunas Legion » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:37 pm

Saragrossa wrote:One might argue that Mexico with Pacific and Colombia is stablizing its government by shoring itself up with its two regional neighbors and other developing nations.


It's also going to war, which if it loses will more than likely result in even more instability.
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Postby The Kingdom of Glitter » Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:38 pm

Stop posting your planned IC actions OOC. Post them IC you little shits lol. Let's actually start this war, yes?
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