New Imperialism - AH RP v1.3 [OOC/Signup]

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Yes but you could shut it down or if we are doing like ww2, a massive uboat fleet could sit outside the bay and just wreck it.

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Well, if they send anyone to deal with it, the pacific could arrest and intern them until the war is over.

NeSA'n government doesn't interfere with trade or the economy, therefore NeSA would never do that.

And you will likely be getting a delegation of angry lawyers. Or, my government would be in which case you will be getting a delegation of annoying public servants.

[Saragrossa]

Then you are going to have to deal with the Robber Barons, as it is their products you are seizing. I am sure you will enjoy them. They are all such kind and noble men.

I thought there was war between you two?

Theres no war, but Pacific invoked war measures act so basically its like a state of emergency,

all nations should do this in theory

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

I thought there was war between you two?

Theres no war, but Pacific invoked war measures act so basically its like a state of emergency,

all nations should do this in theory

Oh I see. Never mind then.

I am currently editing my "UNDER CONSTRUCTION" post

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

I thought there was war between you two?

At the moment, no. NeSA is preparing for war. But, nothing is publicized yet they have yet to vote on it in the Federal Senate.

For the Pacific and NeSA, publicly it is business as usual. Privately, NeSA is preparing for all out war.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

Yes but you could shut it down or if we are doing like ww2, a massive uboat fleet could sit outside the bay and just wreck it.

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Well, if they send anyone to deal with it, the pacific could arrest and intern them until the war is over.

NeSA'n government doesn't interfere with trade or the economy, therefore NeSA would never do that.

And you will likely be getting a delegation of angry lawyers. Or, my government would be in which case you will be getting a delegation of annoying public servants.

"Government doesn't interfere at all in the economy!"

"You dare make an economic act in your legislature?! We will send government officials to deal with this!"

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

"Government doesn't interfere at all in the economy!"

"You dare make an economic act in your legislature?! We will send government officials to deal with this!"

Seizing the private goods of private companies certainly hurts my own economy, in which case the government would have to get involved. You're interrupting trade within in my economy, and that is not okay with the government.

And it will literally be a delegation of several civil servants who just ask the Pacific government to not seize the goods of private companies for public use and to stop interfering with international trade.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

"Government doesn't interfere at all in the economy!"

"You dare make an economic act in your legislature?! We will send government officials to deal with this!"

Seizing the private goods of private companies certainly hurts my own economy, in which case the government would have to get involved. You're interrupting trade within in my economy, and that is not okay with the government.

Then the government does interfere in the economy.

There is a difference between high economic freedoms and a Laissez-faire approach.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Then the government does interfere in the economy.

There is a difference between high economic freedoms and a Laissez-faire approach.

Well if you start interrupting free trade in my economy, do you really expect me to sit back and do nothing?

And it will literally be a delegation of several civil servants who just ask the Pacific government to not seize the goods of private companies for public use and to stop interfering with international trade. If the Pacific agrees is beyond me, but the attempt will be made. We aren't going to force them to stop, we are going to ask. Difference.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

Then the government does interfere in the economy.

There is a difference between high economic freedoms and a Laissez-faire approach.

Well if you start interrupting free trade in my economy, do you really expect me to sit back and do nothing?

And it will literally be a delegation of several civil servants who just ask the Pacific government to not seize the goods of private companies for public use and to stop interfering with international trade.

I do not expect you to do it. I am just pointing out that there is a difference between high economic freedoms and a Laissez-faire approach

[Saragrossa]

"Government doesn't interfere at all in the economy!"

"You dare make an economic act in your legislature?! We will send government officials to deal with this!"

Seizing the private goods of private companies certainly hurts my own economy, in which case the government would have to get involved. You're interrupting trade within in my economy, and that is not okay with the government.

And it will literally be a delegation of several civil servants who just ask the Pacific government to not seize the goods of private companies for public use and to stop interfering with international trade.

You could join in the war against the CSA then we wouldn't confiscate the goods!

Well, we take your goods and we pay you the blue book price, at least we aren't evil and seizing it haha

Well most of the key Pacific industries now are under government control and switching to war time production, like car companies now make armored cars and guns, so the companies are gearing for war.

Since we are allies, we are paying blue book price for all the items out of a respect but i believe this would piss your country off, so you have a legit reason to war me perhaps.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

I do not expect you to do it. I am just pointing out that there is a difference between high economic freedoms and a Laissez-faire approach

Except it is a laissez-faire approach, unless you start fucking with my national economy and could possibly derail it.

Edit: I also have a peace treaty with the CSA that I think lasts for ten years. So no, I couldn't join the war against them even if I wanted to.

[Caltarania]

"Government doesn't interfere at all in the economy!"

"You dare make an economic act in your legislature?! We will send government officials to deal with this!"

Seizing the private goods of private companies certainly hurts my own economy, in which case the government would have to get involved. You're interrupting trade within in my economy, and that is not okay with the government.

A young boy runs into the smoke-filled room, coughing from the intense fumes. He then attempts to get the attention of the several politicians, who at this point are completely 'out of it', after using bongs along with recreational drugs for hours on end. The boy speaks. "Prime Minister! The [INSERT MAIN ENEMY OF THE UNITED PROVINCES AT TIME OF READING] have blocked our traders access to their ports!" Lwazi, his eyes red as fuck, puts down his newspaper and bong, before attempting to stare at the boy. "Son, I don't give any number of shits. Tell those punk-ass traders to grow some balls and fight the [INSERT DEMONYM OF MAIN ENEMY AT TIME OF READING] for their own good." The boy, whom is now ever so slightly embarrassed, runs out of the room as several hundred ministers laugh - some could say through hate though in truth it was due to their hallucinations and such.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

Question:

Since Colombia and the CSA are still at war, I want to send a letter asking for peace before I counter-attack.

How would the Confederate government respond?

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Question:

Since Colombia and the CSA are still at war, I want to send a letter asking for peace before I counter-attack.

How would the Confederate government respond?

Likely to think you're crazy because you are not actually at war.

[Lunas Legion]

Question:

Since Colombia and the CSA are still at war, I want to send a letter asking for peace before I counter-attack.

How would the Confederate government respond?

They'd say 'We were at war with Colombia?' since at the moment, the government isn't exactly aware of events. They know the Atlantic Squadron has been destroyed by a unknown fleet, and that they've lost contact with their outposts in Wyoming, but nothing else (unless Mexico had launched a all-out assault along that border).

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

Question:

Since Colombia and the CSA are still at war, I want to send a letter asking for peace before I counter-attack.

How would the Confederate government respond?

They'd say 'We were at war with Colombia?' since at the moment, the government isn't exactly aware of events. They know the Atlantic Squadron has been destroyed by a unknown fleet, and that they've lost contact with their outposts in Wyoming, but nothing else (unless Mexico had launched a all-out assault along that border).

Was it? Wait, who destroyed it?

Also, at this point I think they know we are at war. I mean, it has been 5 years since the war began.

[Lunas Legion]

They'd say 'We were at war with Colombia?' since at the moment, the government isn't exactly aware of events. They know the Atlantic Squadron has been destroyed by a unknown fleet, and that they've lost contact with their outposts in Wyoming, but nothing else (unless Mexico had launched a all-out assault along that border).

Was it? Wait, who destroyed it?

Also, at this point I think they know we are at war. I mean, it has been 5 years since the war began.

But I don't recall anyone making any actual aggressive action in said war (or any mention of said war outside of the Pacific/Mexico/Colombia war) , unless there was a massive tImeskip from 1904 while I wasn't looking.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

But I don't recall anyone making any actual aggressive action in said war (or any mention of said war outside of the Pacific/Mexico/Colombia war) , unless there was a massive tImeskip from 1904 while I wasn't looking.

he is talking about an old war with Mexico he had. The CSA never declared war on him but he claims they have been at war with the CSA since then and the CSA has been an NPC the entire time.

[Lunas Legion]

But I don't recall anyone making any actual aggressive action in said war (or any mention of said war outside of the Pacific/Mexico/Colombia war) , unless there was a massive tImeskip from 1904 while I wasn't looking.

he is talking about an old war with Mexico he had. The CSA never declared war on him but he claims they have been at war with the CSA since then and the CSA has been an NPC the entire time.

Why would the CSA ally with Mexico, if they have the much more capable France as a ally?

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

Was it? Wait, who destroyed it?

Also, at this point I think they know we are at war. I mean, it has been 5 years since the war began.

But I don't recall anyone making any actual aggressive action in said war (or any mention of said war outside of the Pacific/Mexico/Colombia war) , unless there was a massive tImeskip from 1904 while I wasn't looking.

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[The Kingdom of Glitter]

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Why would the CSA ally with Mexico, if they have the much more capable France as a ally?

Especially when the CSA killed Mexico right before it, and the Pacific and Colombia just killed Mexico right before this war. Couldn't tell you.

I know the CSA is allied to Italy.

[Lunas Legion]

But I don't recall anyone making any actual aggressive action in said war (or any mention of said war outside of the Pacific/Mexico/Colombia war) , unless there was a massive tImeskip from 1904 while I wasn't looking.

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So, effectively as the CSA I'm left clearing up other people's unfinished buisness?

Great, just great.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

But I don't recall anyone making any actual aggressive action in said war (or any mention of said war outside of the Pacific/Mexico/Colombia war) , unless there was a massive tImeskip from 1904 while I wasn't looking.

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Be aware that in international politics, there are many types of declaration of war:

Degree of justification of the war
-States Casus Belli or reasons
-Does not state anything

Degree of ceremony with which the speech act was made
-Formal - Declaring war to a constitutionally recognized country, following all the rituals and stuff.
-Informal - Declaring war to a nation not recognized or to a recognized nation only that not following any formal procedure, laws, rituals, etc.

Degree of perfection with which the speech act was made
-Perfect declaration - In other words, a speech, a document signed, diplomatic ritual, etc.
-Imperfect - Making an informal procedure

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaratio ... rspectives

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=277021&p=19292542&hilit=Barranquilla#p19292542

Be aware that in international politics, there are many types of declaration of war:

Degree of justification of the war
-States Casus Belli or reasons
-Does not state anything

Degree of ceremony with which the speech act was made
-Formal - Declaring war to a constitutionally recognized country, following all the rituals and stuff.
-Informal - Declaring war to a nation not recognized or to a recognized nation only that not following any formal procedure, laws, rituals, etc.

Degree of perfection with which the speech act was made
-Perfect declaration - In other words, a speech, a document signed, diplomatic ritual, etc.
-Imperfect - Making an informal procedure

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaratio ... rspectives

In other words, the statement that argues that there is no war because there wasn't a formal declaration is invalid. There is, in fact, a war that has not been declared over officially because there was not a communique, treaty, and/or legal, international document signed.

[Lunas Legion]

Be aware that in international politics, there are many types of declaration of war:

Degree of justification of the war
-States Casus Belli or reasons
-Does not state anything

Degree of ceremony with which the speech act was made
-Formal - Declaring war to a constitutionally recognized country, following all the rituals and stuff.
-Informal - Declaring war to a nation not recognized or to a recognized nation only that not following any formal procedure, laws, rituals, etc.

Degree of perfection with which the speech act was made
-Perfect declaration - In other words, a speech, a document signed, diplomatic ritual, etc.
-Imperfect - Making an informal procedure

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaratio ... rspectives

In other words, the statement that argues that there is no war because there wasn't a formal declaration is invalid. There is, in fact, a war that has not been declared over officially because there was not a communique, treaty, and/or legal, international document signed.

But it is over unofficially, as I presume a ceasefire exists?