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Lyanica
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Postby Lyanica » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:08 pm

Bering wrote:
Mesrane wrote:But the likelihood of someone bothering with me when they have a nuclear armed blocs to deal with is low. And if all else fails I've still got massive paramilitaries. And my mountains.

BECAUSE SWITZERLAND. A WELSH LIBERTARIAN SWITZERLAND. FUCK YEAH. :p

Why would that be an impediment? The cold war had dozens of conflicts conducted by one or the other power. The issue is Nyssa. You are a safe target, without a bloc to defend you are a neutral target that will not upset any of the blocs into action. If the USSN decided to invade neither Amcar nor the Helm would do much unless they were sure intervening would benefit them.

Switzerland can be neutral because it is surrounded by mountains and landlocked. No one has a reason to bother invading them. You on the other hand have a coast and lowlands. :p

And libertarian to boot, so no large standing armies, police force, or government control of any kind. But luckily there are always mountains for Nyssans to go to. M = NKA haha
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Postby Bering » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:08 pm

Victoriala wrote:NS Nation Name: Victoriala
Nation Name: Celangor (Pearl Kingdom of the Verdant Dragons)
Capital: Antapura
Population: 110 million or lesser
Map Claims: already on the map.
Major Cultures: Kasuja, Najali, Paja
RL Equivalent Cultures: Malaysians, Filipinos, Indonesians
Major Languages (of the nation): Bahasa Celah, Tajake, Paja
RL Equivalent Languages: Malaycized Filipino, Malaycized Hindi and Indonesian
Government (short description): Parliamentary Monarchy.
Head of State: Raja Nanahula
Head of Government: Raja Nanahula
Will you make a religion?: Will develop Halmoni with Nyaland.
Will you make your own calendar?: Probably as a cultural and religious one.
Three Major Imports Ethanol, Tobacco and Silicon
Three Major Exports Lumber, Cattle and Steel
Currency: Piloncito (P)
Brief History: WIP, probably describing various feudal kingdoms pre-nyaland and Xelangor
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Postby Mesrane » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:08 pm

The lowlands are a killing field that the invader will eventually overcome along with the capital Endusal and think they have accomplished something major. And the fact that I have a coast is offset by the fact that my population is five times the size of Switzerland's and therefore I simply have more men to draw on. And maybe . . Just maybe . . If I can find a free nation that is geographically close to Nyssa I may approach about an alliance.
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Postby Bering » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:09 pm

Lyanica wrote:
Bering wrote:Why would that be an impediment? The cold war had dozens of conflicts conducted by one or the other power. The issue is Nyssa. You are a safe target, without a bloc to defend you are a neutral target that will not upset any of the blocs into action. If the USSN decided to invade neither Amcar nor the Helm would do much unless they were sure intervening would benefit them.

Switzerland can be neutral because it is surrounded by mountains and landlocked. No one has a reason to bother invading them. You on the other hand have a coast and lowlands. :p

And libertarian to boot, so no large standing armies, police force, or government control of any kind. But luckily there are always mountains for Nyssans to go to. M = NKA haha

It's okay "the clans" will handle it :p
It's not like the enemy can take control of all the valuable farmland and slowly starve out the defenders

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Postby Bering » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:11 pm

Mesrane wrote:The lowlands are a killing field that the invader will eventually overcome along with the capital Endusal and think they have accomplished something major. And the fact that I have a coast is offset by the fact that my population is five times the size of Switzerland's and therefore I simply have more men to draw on. And maybe . . Just maybe . . If I can find a free nation that is geographically close to Nyssa I may approach about an alliance.

That really wouldn't matter. No free nation will risk angering a nuclear powered bloc. You would be on your own either way

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Postby Mesrane » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:12 pm

:rofl: @Lyanica: yes there is my formula. But I'm afraid I may have exxagerated about my Libertarianism. There is a small (80'000) army that is fairly competent along with an airforce and navy. So no large standing military but a small and competent one. And a paramilitary that could grow to like 4 million in the event of a catastrophic aliens-have-invaded scenario.
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Postby Victoriala » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:14 pm

Bering wrote:
Lyanica wrote:And libertarian to boot, so no large standing armies, police force, or government control of any kind. But luckily there are always mountains for Nyssans to go to. M = NKA haha

It's okay "the clans" will handle it :p
It's not like the enemy can take control of all the valuable farmland and slowly starve out the defenders

This reminds me of Braveheart for some reason.
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Postby Mesrane » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:15 pm

@Bering: The mountains aren't quite as high as you think. Though they are quite high. There are farms and ranches in the foothills. Forests filled with game. Streams and rivers with fish. Not enough to support the entire population but enough that resistence continues. Plus by the time the killing fields (I'm sorry Lowlands) have been taken the invader is facing astronomical casulties. It becomes a question of how much further they are willing to go at that point.
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Postby Bering » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:16 pm

Mesrane wrote::rofl: @Lyanica: yes there is my formula. But I'm afraid I may have exxagerated about my Libertarianism. There is a small (80'000) army that is fairly competent along with an airforce and navy. So no large standing military but a small and competent one. And a paramilitary that could grow to like 4 million in the event of a catastrophic aliens-have-invaded scenario.

Well an army that does not go to war often is not really competent until actually tested. That is why a lot of armies suffer casualties at the beginning of war, they are inexperienced.
And again. Cannon fodder is only cannon fodder :p

Victoriala wrote:
Bering wrote:It's okay "the clans" will handle it :p
It's not like the enemy can take control of all the valuable farmland and slowly starve out the defenders

This reminds me of Braveheart for some reason.

Well Nyssa is based on the Welsh with Scottish roots too. Probably from that

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Postby Mesrane » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:17 pm

Braveheart was my original inspiration for Nyssa. I came up with the framework for my history while watching it.
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Bering
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Postby Bering » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:17 pm

Mesrane wrote:@Bering: The mountains aren't quite as high as you think. Though they are quite high. There are farms and ranches in the foothills. Forests filled with game. Streams and rivers with fish. Not enough to support the entire population but enough that resistence continues. Plus by the time the killing fields (I'm sorry Lowlands) have been taken the invader is facing astronomical casulties. It becomes a question of how much further they are willing to go at that point.

How are they killing fields exactly? You never said that before
And the invaders can occupy the farm land/ranches. Slaughter the lives stock. Burn the forest. And poison the streams.

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Lyanica
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Postby Lyanica » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:21 pm

Victoriala wrote:NS Nation Name: Victoriala
Nation Name: Celangor (Pearl Kingdom of the Verdant Dragons)
Capital: Antapura
Population: 110 million or lesser
Map Claims: already on the map.
Major Cultures: Kasuja, Najali, Paja
RL Equivalent Cultures: Malaysians, Filipinos, Indonesians
Major Languages (of the nation): Bahasa Celah, Tajake, Paja
RL Equivalent Languages: Malaycized Filipino, Malaycized Hindi and Indonesian
Government (short description): Parliamentary Monarchy.
Head of State: Raja Nanahula
Head of Government: Raja Nanahula
Will you make a religion?: Will develop Halmoni with Nyaland.
Will you make your own calendar?: Probably as a cultural and religious one.
Three Major Imports Ethanol, Tobacco and Silicon
Three Major Exports Lumber, Cattle and Steel
Currency: Piloncito (P)
Brief History: WIP, probably describing various feudal kingdoms pre-nyaland and Xelangor
Anything? Nyaland needs pictures.


Alright I'll make some pictures for Nyaland... I'm thinking cute puppies?
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Postby Bering » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:21 pm

Lyanica wrote:
Victoriala wrote:NS Nation Name: Victoriala
Nation Name: Celangor (Pearl Kingdom of the Verdant Dragons)
Capital: Antapura
Population: 110 million or lesser
Map Claims: already on the map.
Major Cultures: Kasuja, Najali, Paja
RL Equivalent Cultures: Malaysians, Filipinos, Indonesians
Major Languages (of the nation): Bahasa Celah, Tajake, Paja
RL Equivalent Languages: Malaycized Filipino, Malaycized Hindi and Indonesian
Government (short description): Parliamentary Monarchy.
Head of State: Raja Nanahula
Head of Government: Raja Nanahula
Will you make a religion?: Will develop Halmoni with Nyaland.
Will you make your own calendar?: Probably as a cultural and religious one.
Three Major Imports Ethanol, Tobacco and Silicon
Three Major Exports Lumber, Cattle and Steel
Currency: Piloncito (P)
Brief History: WIP, probably describing various feudal kingdoms pre-nyaland and Xelangor
Anything? Nyaland needs pictures.


Alright I'll make some pictures for Nyaland... I'm thinking cute puppies?

Don't forget the kittens :p

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Postby Mesrane » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:28 pm

They can't do any if those things if the ranches and farms and forests and rivers are much higher than the lowlands.

When I say "killing fields" think of Finland. Except for the highways around Endusal there really aren't a lot of major roads. Even in the lowlands. With the non agricultural land being forests and lakes and such a large-scale push in any direction outside of Endusal is extremely difficult. And impossible if there are political consequences to taking extremely heavy casulties for very little land.

This is all pointless anyway. We may have different ideas of the size and power of the invader. We may be talking about different scenarios.
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Postby Bering » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:35 pm

Mesrane wrote:They can't do any if those things if the ranches and farms and forests and rivers are much higher than the lowlands.

When I say "killing fields" think of Finland. Except for the highways around Endusal there really aren't a lot of major roads. Even in the lowlands. With the non agricultural land being forests and lakes and such a large-scale push in any direction outside of Endusal is extremely difficult. And impossible if there are political consequences to taking extremely heavy casulties for very little land.

This is all pointless anyway. We may have different ideas of the size and power of the invader. We may be talking about different scenarios.

I don't see why they can't. They put enough air power in the air and they can quite simply burn a lot of it away. Besides since they are not that high, I don't see why the attacker can't just occupy the valuable parts in the mountain/hills.

We can drop it if you prefer. I guess we are not on the same page. I suppose we will have to see how an invasion would go in the RP.

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Postby Mesrane » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:40 pm

DON'T INVADE ME. I'M NOT ASKING FOR AN INVASION!
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Postby Bering » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:42 pm

Mesrane wrote:DON'T INVADE ME. I'M NOT ASKING FOR AN INVASION!

What happened to M=NKA :p
But seriously I was not offering. You don't have anything I need. I was just saying we will see if you do get invaded

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Postby Mesrane » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:45 pm

Bering wrote:
Mesrane wrote:DON'T INVADE ME. I'M NOT ASKING FOR AN INVASION!

What happened to M=NKA :p
But seriously I was not offering. You don't have anything I need. I was just saying we will see if you do get invaded

We shall see yes. The invader I was referring too had Belka-ish military capabilities. Not a superpower. But not terribly far from one.
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Postby Bering » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:48 pm

Mesrane wrote:
Bering wrote:What happened to M=NKA :p
But seriously I was not offering. You don't have anything I need. I was just saying we will see if you do get invaded

We shall see yes. The invader I was referring too had Belka-ish military capabilities. Not a superpower. But not terribly far from one.

I did say what if the USSN invaded in the example...
Anyway, would you like to go and change your pants? Your reaction implies you might need to. :p

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Postby Mesrane » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:50 pm

Bering wrote:
Mesrane wrote:We shall see yes. The invader I was referring too had Belka-ish military capabilities. Not a superpower. But not terribly far from one.

I did say what if the USSN invaded in the example...
Anyway, would you like to go and change your pants? Your reaction implies you might need to. :p


I'm sorry can you flick on the lights? I seem to have misplaced my AK :p
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Postby Bering » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:52 pm

Mesrane wrote:
Bering wrote:I did say what if the USSN invaded in the example...
Anyway, would you like to go and change your pants? Your reaction implies you might need to. :p


I'm sorry can you flick on the lights? I seem to have misplaced my AK :p

What happened to your nightlight? Accidently shot it after a nightmare?
Oh so like a Nyssan, always resorting to violence. :p

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Postby Mesrane » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:59 pm

Bering wrote:
Mesrane wrote:
I'm sorry can you flick on the lights? I seem to have misplaced my AK :p

What happened to your nightlight? Accidently shot it after a nightmare?
Oh so like a Nyssan, always resorting to violence. :p


On the contraray! Once I have to speak with your family regarding your tragic and untimely death I'll have to resort to nicities and diplomacy.

*munches on venison as blood dribbles down chin* violence is always the first option. And I'm thinking of instituting duels that resolve legal disputes that the courts cannot resolve themselves.
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Postby Whiteshore » Sat Aug 16, 2014 11:03 pm

Seresia can invade Nyssa to "free" the Telkatians. And BTW, Bering, your nation's position on NotTibet?
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Lyanica
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Postby Lyanica » Sat Aug 16, 2014 11:04 pm

Mesrane wrote:
Bering wrote:What happened to your nightlight? Accidently shot it after a nightmare?
Oh so like a Nyssan, always resorting to violence. :p


On the contraray! Once I have to speak with your family regarding your tragic and untimely death I'll have to resort to nicities and diplomacy.

*munches on venison as blood dribbles down chin* violence is always the first option. And I'm thinking of instituting duels that resolve legal disputes that the courts cannot resolve themselves.

Kittens and puppies are always the first option!
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Postby Lyanica » Sat Aug 16, 2014 11:05 pm

You know like vicious, throat-tearing ones. Really puts the fear in the enemy's eyes! :twisted:
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