Game of Thrones ~ Legacy (OOC/Open)

[Nuxipal]

Tactical Caution and 50 years of paper work can pull him up a good bit further.

From the perspective of all of tradition Westeros: "tactical caution and 50 years of forged paper work can pull him up a good bit further."

Depends what that paper work is. Because Ixidor does not have that paperwork himself. He knows it exists, but does not possess it. So unless he is a magician(Gods Help you if he is) then the paper work that he was going to have brought forward upon meeting with the Queen would have proven his legitimacy to the realm.

[Logistica Suprema]

From the perspective of all of tradition Westeros: "tactical caution and 50 years of forged paper work can pull him up a good bit further."

Depends what that paper work is. Because Ixidor does not have that paperwork himself. He knows it exists, but does not possess it. So unless he is a magician(Gods Help you if he is) then the paper work that he was going to have brought forward upon meeting with the Queen would have proven his legitimacy to the realm.

I see. And where, per se, is this magical paper work?

[Nuxipal]

Depends what that paper work is. Because Ixidor does not have that paperwork himself. He knows it exists, but does not possess it. So unless he is a magician(Gods Help you if he is) then the paper work that he was going to have brought forward upon meeting with the Queen would have proven his legitimacy to the realm.

I see. And where, per se, is this magical paper work?

In the Red Keep. Ixidor has never touched it nor has he ever seen it.

[Logistica Suprema]

I see. And where, per se, is this magical paper work?

In the Red Keep. Ixidor has never touched it nor has he ever seen it.

And does this magical paper work have copies?

[Nuxipal]

In the Red Keep. Ixidor has never touched it nor has he ever seen it.

And does this magical paper work have copies?

Quite likely. Though if the Red Keep were to say.. be destroyed by dragonfire.. it wouldn't survive. There is for sure at least one copy, likely more, in Braavos simply due to its nature.

Edit: Also there would be several men who held certain positions on the Small Council who would be aware of the legitimacy of Bloodfyre.

Namely: Hand of the Queen, Master of Coins, Master of Whispers, and Grand Maester.

[Logistica Suprema]

And does this magical paper work have copies?

Quite likely. Though if the Red Keep were to say.. be destroyed by dragonfire.. it wouldn't survive. There is for sure at least one copy, likely more, in Braavos simply due to its nature.

Edit: Also there would be several men who held certain positions on the Small Council who would be aware of the legitimacy of Bloodfyre.

Well, Garlan certainly didn't, and he was the Master of Whispers. Indeed, your application even mentioned: "[The House Bloodfyre] was kept quiet that she had a child to all but some of the highest officials of the time. Those men have since died."

And papers from Braavos, the Lost-Land-of-Forgery, are sure to be believed.

[Nuxipal]

Quite likely. Though if the Red Keep were to say.. be destroyed by dragonfire.. it wouldn't survive. There is for sure at least one copy, likely more, in Braavos simply due to its nature.

Edit: Also there would be several men who held certain positions on the Small Council who would be aware of the legitimacy of Bloodfyre.

Well, Garlan certainly didn't, and he was the Master of Whispers. Indeed, your application even mentioned: "[The House Bloodfyre] was kept quiet that she had a child to all but some of the highest officials of the time. Those men have since died."

And papers from Braavos, the Lost-Land-of-Forgery, are sure to be believed.

Yes, but their actions continued on. Trying to dance around the bush here so you don't magically go find these papers lying around on some desk in your next post.

[Logistica Suprema]

Well, Garlan certainly didn't, and he was the Master of Whispers. Indeed, your application even mentioned: "[The House Bloodfyre] was kept quiet that she had a child to all but some of the highest officials of the time. Those men have since died."

And papers from Braavos, the Lost-Land-of-Forgery, are sure to be believed.

Yes, but their actions continued on. Trying to dance around the bush here so you don't magically go find these papers lying around on some desk in your next post.

Come now, do you think my writing would be that petty? I'd need a legitimate explanation as to why Garlan found them--equally, Ixidor would need a legitimate explanation. And what do you mean, "their actions continued on"?

[Nuxipal]

Yes, but their actions continued on. Trying to dance around the bush here so you don't magically go find these papers lying around on some desk in your next post.

Come now, do you think my writing would be that petty? I'd need a legitimate explanation as to why Garlan found them--equally, Ixidor would need a legitimate explanation. And what do you mean, "their actions continued on"?

Well, considering that Bloodfyre has been having money sent to them by the crown. Do you think that 50 years of having money sent to the same place for the same name would not be an indicator that something is up? Also, this would be something a half competent Master of Whispers would be aware of and that the Master of Coin would have to know. The Grand Maester and Hand of the Queen would likely know due to constant interactions with the Queen(unless they are both new to the position they will have noticed she stopped visiting a certain person in Elyria every year or two)

[Logistica Suprema]

Come now, do you think my writing would be that petty? I'd need a legitimate explanation as to why Garlan found them--equally, Ixidor would need a legitimate explanation. And what do you mean, "their actions continued on"?

Well, considering that Bloodfyre has been having money sent to them by the crown. Do you think that 50 years of having money sent to the same place for the same name would not be an indicator that something is up? Also, this would be something a half competent Master of Whispers would be aware of and that the Master of Coin would have to know. The Grand Maester and Hand of the Queen would likely know due to constant interactions with the Queen(unless they are both new to the position they will have noticed she stopped visiting a certain person in Elyria every year or two)

Oh, so people are allowed to know that House Bloodfyre existed? Grand. Because that isn't exactly how I interpreted your application, but oh well.

[Nuxipal]

Well, considering that Bloodfyre has been having money sent to them by the crown. Do you think that 50 years of having money sent to the same place for the same name would not be an indicator that something is up? Also, this would be something a half competent Master of Whispers would be aware of and that the Master of Coin would have to know. The Grand Maester and Hand of the Queen would likely know due to constant interactions with the Queen(unless they are both new to the position they will have noticed she stopped visiting a certain person in Elyria every year or two)

Oh, so people are allowed to know that House Bloodfyre existed? Grand. Because that isn't exactly how I interpreted your application, but oh well.

I went back and read through my app. It doesn't say that people aren't allowed to know. More of a 'need to know' type of thing. So those four council positions I mentioned (with the possible exception of the Grand Maester depending on how much he was trusted by the Queen) would know. The Hand because it was a matter of state security; unlike his father Rhaegar, Ixidor was not watched closely by Daenerys as he grew up. The Master of Coins would know because.. well he is sending 2000 Gold Dragons every year to the Bloodfyre Bank account with the Iron Bank and if there is one source in Braavos that can be believed, its the Iron Bank. The Master of Whispers would know because they would likely have been asked to keep tabs on what the Bloodfyre Family was doing in Elyria and may be given instructions to bring them to Westeros to prevent the end of the Targaryen line.

Any of those are possible. And as we already know, the Master of Coin has a ledger of all expenses that the crown has paid out. It would be suspicious to each new Master of Coin that 2,000 gold dragons (not a fortune, but still significant) are being sent to a bank account in Braavos initially for a Rhaegar Bloodfyre and then for an Ixidor Bloodfyre.


Edit: I really wish I didn't start looking at my app. I keep finding misspelled words and what not.. never making an app for anything ever again at midnight.

[Kuhlfros]

Oooohhh Do I see a KingsGuard stepping up for Thygar? Maybe.....Maybe Brandon maybe someone else, (Is still hoping to keep Brandon alive for Journey's in Essos)

[New Frenco Empire]

I may have missed it, but who is Garlan's new Small Council? I know Randyll is the new Justiciar and the Hand is being reserved.

[Nuxipal]

Oooohhh Do I see a KingsGuard stepping up for Thygar? Maybe.....Maybe Brandon maybe someone else, (Is still hoping to keep Brandon alive for Journey's in Essos)

Thygar's Champion will be... Drogon.

[Logistica Suprema]

I may have missed it, but who is Garlan's new Small Council? I know Randyll is the new Justiciar and the Hand is being reserved.

Perhaps I should have cleared that up. These are the current positions filled:

Master of Laws: Ser Randyll-Tarly
Lord Commander of the Gold Cloaks: Ser Horus Stokeworth
Small Council Advisor: Margaery Tyrell
Hand: Reserved temporarily for Vardis Hardyng-Stark

Oooohhh Do I see a KingsGuard stepping up for Thygar? Maybe.....Maybe Brandon maybe someone else, (Is still hoping to keep Brandon alive for Journey's in Essos)

Thygar's Champion will be... Drogon.

Then Garlan will name a kraken as his. What is dead may never die.

[Theocracy of Catholicism]

I don't like Logistica Suprema's new flag colors, I liked the old ones much better

[Nuxipal]

I may have missed it, but who is Garlan's new Small Council? I know Randyll is the new Justiciar and the Hand is being reserved.

Perhaps I should have cleared that up. These are the current positions filled:

Master of Laws: Ser Randyll-Tarly
Lord Commander of the Gold Cloaks: Ser Horus Stokeworth
Small Council Advisor: Margaery Tyrell
Hand: Reserved temporarily for Vardis Hardyng-Stark

Thygar's Champion will be... Drogon.

Then Garlan will name a kraken as his. What is dead may never die.

Ixidor's Dead wife killed a Kraken.. though she was no dragon.

[The United Realms Of Lords and Paradox]

@Logistica Suprema
the tyrells wouldn't know of the gold stores in Braavos the master of coin only informed the queen and dragonstone of where it was going ,the records to where its stored are destroyed as well.
Gold for Queen's false Essosian bastards was paid to the iron bank not dragonstone

[Logistica Suprema]

@Logistica Suprema
the tyrells wouldn't know of the gold stores in Braavos the master of coin only informed the queen and dragonstone of where it was going ,the records to where its stored are destroyed as well.
Gold for Queen's false Essosian bastards was paid to the iron bank not dragonstone

Gold is material. Thus, it's transit can be monitored. You can't possibly tell me that in the six odd years Garlan had been Master of Whispers that he never once got even a clue as to where the gold was going, that being the two most logical places--Dragonstone and the Iron Bank.

And I know that the Bloodfyre gold is not on Dragonstone; this is where Garlan guessed wrong.

[Lorellion]

I may have missed it, but who is Garlan's new Small Council? I know Randyll is the new Justiciar and the Hand is being reserved.

Perhaps I should have cleared that up. These are the current positions filled:

Master of Laws: Ser Randyll-Tarly
Lord Commander of the Gold Cloaks: Ser Horus Stokeworth
Small Council Advisor: Margaery Tyrell
Hand: Reserved temporarily for Vardis Hardyng-Stark

Thygar's Champion will be... Drogon.

Then Garlan will name a kraken as his. What is dead may never die.

I'm sure that one of the Tullys(Deyna, Edmyn, or Petyr) would come to King's Landing to serve in Garlan's small council.

[Theocracy of Catholicism]

answer my insult, LS damn you

[Themiclesia]

NFE, I hope you don't mind my sudden bursting into this. What sort of position is still open? Is a foreign power allowed?

[Nuxipal]

NFE, I hope you don't mind my sudden bursting into this. What sort of position is still open? Is a foreign power allowed?

Foreign powers are welcome. We have a Volantis already. You could also play as any of the minor houses not already chosen. With OP permission you can take over Greyjoy.. their player has been absent and did not reply to my message.

[Givious]

And on the talk of line of succession; Thygar is a Targaryen as he is a descendant of Aerion Brightflame. As of right now the line is as such:

Aegon Targaryen (M)
Baelor Targaryen (M)
Ixidor "Bloodfyre" Targaryen (M)
Rhelor Targaryen (F)
Daneys Targaryen (F)
Rhaenys "Bloodfyre" Targaryen (F)
Thygar Targaryen (M)
Mekar Targaryen (M)
Vesarys Targaryen (M)
Aegor Targaryen (M)
Vheli Targaryen (F)
Noma Targaryen (F)
Derrion Targaryen (M)
Rhaegar Waters (M)
Robert Waters (M)

Thats more or less the line of those able to inherit, and in order.... Baratheon is a little ways down... still has a claim but you have a lot of hacking to do to get to it

[Logistica Suprema]

And on the talk of line of succession; Thygar is a Targaryen as he is a descendant of Aerion Brightflame. As of right now the line is as such:

Aegon Targaryen (M)
Baelor Targaryen (M)
Ixidor "Bloodfyre" Targaryen (M)
Rhelor Targaryen (F)
Daneys Targaryen (F)
Rhaenys "Bloodfyre" Targaryen (F)
Thygar Targaryen (M)
Mekar Targaryen (M)
Vesarys Targaryen (M)
Aegor Targaryen (M)
Vheli Targaryen (F)
Noma Targaryen (F)
Derrion Targaryen (M)
Rhaegar Waters (M)
Robert Waters (M)

Thats more or less the line of those able to inherit, and in order.... Baratheon is a little ways down... still has a claim but you have a lot of hacking to do to get to it

*cough* Bastard pretenders. *cough*

Anyway, the Tyrell line is pretty clear (Garlan-->Loras-->Margaery-->Olenna), but gets weaker as you go down the line. Olenna, if we're being honest, would simply go back to Highgarden and order her best generals to defend the Reach.

Also, Givious, what exactly happened in the "armies of the Crownland" post?

EDIT:

@Lorellion The plan was to either have Denya or Petyr on the small council. Edmyn needs to lead troops, so Garlan would refuse his position in a manner akin to "for his own good." If Edmyn is on the small council, it looks bad, since he should be defending the Riverlands if he's Lord Paramount. But Denya and Petyr would be welcome.