Game of Thrones ~ Legacy (OOC/Open)

[Givious]

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seriously???

Ok, so I can muster maybe a little over 100 ships (Half of your fleet, not including any houses you sway with whores or gold), and if I looted every single guy holding a spear from all the houses loyal to me I would number 9,000 men.... which you pretty much have in and around (adding in Stokeworth) King's Landing alone, not to mention you are buying every mercenary in essos with more than a dagger in their hands and bringing them here to fight for you....

In the field of fire three dragons combined killed 4,000 guys.... sure one burned down a castle that was undermanned and wasn't expecting a dragon to burn it down, but truthfully dragons are not the battlefield weapon you are painting them as.

I am outgunned in every fucking way possible in this Rp, borderline OP on Tyrell part. If I seriously have to sit on fucking dragonstone for as long as it takes for the Tyrell fleet to show up then why in the hell is anyone declaring for me? It would be like if Stannis had said "I'm the king" and NOT laid siege to storms end and just sat on Dragonstone hoping his banners would leave his brother who was making attempts to gain the throne.

I was planning on Baelor have MASSIVE problems with Rhaegal; but Aegon would of had experience with Drogon, both riding and being around him. If me having a single asset in my column is THAT much of an issue in this Rp, I don't get why I don't just bow down and us call it over because thats the only card I have at the moment; is that I am a Targaryen and I have a dragon. I have a small army, I have a small navy, I have VERY few bannermen (which you have been talking about buying off), and now you are saying it should take Rp time for me to gain a dragon (which you have said you are just going to bind to you using magic) which I don't have as you claimed the throne and exterminated the red keep in a single day.... yeah okay.

[Logistica Suprema]

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seriously???

Ok, so I can muster maybe a little over 100 ships (Half of your fleet, not including any houses you sway with whores or gold), and if I looted every single guy holding a spear from all the houses loyal to me I would number 9,000 men.... which you pretty much have in and around (adding in Stokeworth) King's Landing alone, not to mention you are buying every mercenary in essos with more than a dagger in their hands and bringing them here to fight for you....

In the field of fire three dragons combined killed 4,000 guys.... sure one burned down a castle that was undermanned and wasn't expecting a dragon to burn it down, but truthfully dragons are not the battlefield weapon you are painting them as.

I am outgunned in every fucking way possible in this Rp, borderline OP on Tyrell part. If I seriously have to sit on fucking dragonstone for as long as it takes for the Tyrell fleet to show up then why in the hell is anyone declaring for me? It would be like if Stannis had said "I'm the king" and NOT laid siege to storms end and just sat on Dragonstone hoping his banners would leave his brother who was making attempts to gain the throne.

I was planning on Baelor have MASSIVE problems with Rhaegal; but Aegon would of had experience with Drogon, both riding and being around him. If me having a single asset in my column is THAT much of an issue in this Rp, I don't get why I don't just bow down and us call it over because thats the only card I have at the moment; is that I am a Targaryen and I have a dragon. I have a small army, I have a small navy, I have VERY few bannermen (which you have been talking about buying off), and now you are saying it should take Rp time for me to gain a dragon (which you have said you are just going to bind to you using magic) which I don't have as you claimed the throne and exterminated the red keep in a single day.... yeah okay.

Oh, this is a fun thing to do at 4:14am. But I never leave a reply waiting.

First of all, I have no control over the fact that you lack banners. If you desire more men so much, forfeit House Crassius and take House Baratheon. From what I understand, the Stormlands field 40-45k men. I've said before that the Crownlands can raise more than you're quoting, and I'm bribing only one House. One. Even *with* Stokeworth and the Gold Cloaks your army would be five thousand stronger than mine.

And, yes, it should take time for you to get on Drogon and ride him. I'm not saying you can't, I'm just saying it's impratical to believe Drogon will instantly except you as his rider, especially with Daenerys dead. Dreamfyre when berserk when Helaena Targaryen died--similarly, Drogon should be as hostile. It took Daenerys two years to tame Drogon, I should hope you can wait two weeks. Also, if you plannes for Baelor to have "massive problems" with Rhaegal, why was he so casually able to climb aboard?

Furthermore, dragons are indeed amazing war machines. They killed four thousand men on the Field of Fire, but that brought an army of fifty-five thousand to its knees--against an army of ten thousand, nonetheless. You oddly underestimate what you describe as your "one asset."

[New Frenco Empire]

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seriously???

Ok, so I can muster maybe a little over 100 ships (Half of your fleet, not including any houses you sway with whores or gold), and if I looted every single guy holding a spear from all the houses loyal to me I would number 9,000 men.... which you pretty much have in and around (adding in Stokeworth) King's Landing alone, not to mention you are buying every mercenary in essos with more than a dagger in their hands and bringing them here to fight for you....

In the field of fire three dragons combined killed 4,000 guys.... sure one burned down a castle that was undermanned and wasn't expecting a dragon to burn it down, but truthfully dragons are not the battlefield weapon you are painting them as.

I am outgunned in every fucking way possible in this Rp, borderline OP on Tyrell part. If I seriously have to sit on fucking dragonstone for as long as it takes for the Tyrell fleet to show up then why in the hell is anyone declaring for me? It would be like if Stannis had said "I'm the king" and NOT laid siege to storms end and just sat on Dragonstone hoping his banners would leave his brother who was making attempts to gain the throne.

I was planning on Baelor have MASSIVE problems with Rhaegal; but Aegon would of had experience with Drogon, both riding and being around him. If me having a single asset in my column is THAT much of an issue in this Rp, I don't get why I don't just bow down and us call it over because thats the only card I have at the moment; is that I am a Targaryen and I have a dragon. I have a small army, I have a small navy, I have VERY few bannermen (which you have been talking about buying off), and now you are saying it should take Rp time for me to gain a dragon (which you have said you are just going to bind to you using magic) which I don't have as you claimed the throne and exterminated the red keep in a single day.... yeah okay.

Like I said, the best way to defeat Tyrell is to perhaps wait them out. We've made it clear that Tyrell is the most powerful tactically. Strategically, however...

It's like the Conquest of Dorne. Sure they can march men in there and defeat you in the short-term. However, in only fortnight and 60,000 men lay dead and the Targaryens ran with their tails between their legs, killing their king in the Prince's Pass.

[The United Realms Of Lords and Paradox]

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seriously???

Ok, so I can muster maybe a little over 100 ships (Half of your fleet, not including any houses you sway with whores or gold), and if I looted every single guy holding a spear from all the houses loyal to me I would number 9,000 men.... which you pretty much have in and around (adding in Stokeworth) King's Landing alone, not to mention you are buying every mercenary in essos with more than a dagger in their hands and bringing them here to fight for you....

In the field of fire three dragons combined killed 4,000 guys.... sure one burned down a castle that was undermanned and wasn't expecting a dragon to burn it down, but truthfully dragons are not the battlefield weapon you are painting them as.

I am outgunned in every fucking way possible in this Rp, borderline OP on Tyrell part. If I seriously have to sit on fucking dragonstone for as long as it takes for the Tyrell fleet to show up then why in the hell is anyone declaring for me? It would be like if Stannis had said "I'm the king" and NOT laid siege to storms end and just sat on Dragonstone hoping his banners would leave his brother who was making attempts to gain the throne.

I was planning on Baelor have MASSIVE problems with Rhaegal; but Aegon would of had experience with Drogon, both riding and being around him. If me having a single asset in my column is THAT much of an issue in this Rp, I don't get why I don't just bow down and us call it over because thats the only card I have at the moment; is that I am a Targaryen and I have a dragon. I have a small army, I have a small navy, I have VERY few bannermen (which you have been talking about buying off), and now you are saying it should take Rp time for me to gain a dragon (which you have said you are just going to bind to you using magic) which I don't have as you claimed the throne and exterminated the red keep in a single day.... yeah okay.

Oh, this is a fun thing to do at 4:14am. But I never leave a reply waiting.

First of all, I have no control over the fact that you lack banners. If you desire more men so much, forfeit House Crassius and take House Baratheon. From what I understand, the Stormlands field 40-45k men. I've said before that the Crownlands can raise more than you're quoting, and I'm bribing only one House. One. Even *with* Stokeworth and the Gold Cloaks your army would be five thousand stronger than mine.

And, yes, it should take time for you to get on Drogon and ride him. I'm not saying you can't, I'm just saying it's impratical to believe Drogon will instantly except you as his rider, especially with Daenerys dead. Dreamfyre when berserk when Helaena Targaryen died--similarly, Drogon should be as hostile. It took Daenerys two years to tame Drogon, I should hope you can wait two weeks. Also, if you plannes for Baelor to have "massive problems" with Rhaegal, why was he so casually able to climb aboard?

Furthermore, dragons are indeed amazing war machines. They killed four thousand men on the Field of Fire, but that brought an army of fifty-five thousand to its knees--against an army of ten thousand, nonetheless. You oddly underestimate what you describe as your "one asset."

Why does a Baratheon have to rule the stormlands, with a good story his custom house could rule the LP.

[Lorellion]

Long post coming at all of you!

[Nuxipal]

Bonding a Dragon who has a previous rider is much easier than bonding a wild Dragon. You give me a failed rider, I'll give you the reason and then a successful rider. First for a successful rider.

Maegor I Targaryen: Bonded to Balerion. Son of Aegon the Conqueror and Visenya Targaryen. Balerion was his father's dragon. Both his parents are of Valyrian blood, he is effectively a pure Valyrian. He likely spoke High Valyrian and his parents were originally of the Valyrian religion giving him access to greater knowledge of Dragons.

I am literally just going to give you a list of failed dragonriders. Also note that Maegor, like other Targaryen and Velaryon riders before him, were trained for most of their lives to mount dragons. House Crassius's Aegon has admitted to having been on Drogon only once, and with Daenerys; House Bloodfyre's Ixidor has never even been to Westeros, let alone the top of Viserion.

-Steffon Darklyn, killed by Seasmoke
-"Prior to the Dance of the Dragons a dozen would-be dragontamers had made attempts to ride him and his lair was littered with their bones.", killed by Cannibal
-Silver Denys, wounded by Sheepstealer, later killed by Cannibal
-"During the taming, Sheepstealer killed more [dragon]seeds that the other two wild dragons combined. Alyn of Hull tried to tame him, but received a burnt cloak for his troubles." Various, including Alyn of Hull.
-On Silverwing: "Ulf the White eventually succeeded in claiming her." and "Lord Unwin Peake offered a thousand golden dragons to any knight of noble birth able to ride Silverwing, but none succeeded." Implicates many tried and failed to tame Silverwing.

I would estimate this leaves at least fifty failed riders, and those are only the documented ones. Undocumented failures are much larger than undocumented successes.

-Ok, lets go ahead and scratch off Darklyn, they aren't Valyrian and therefore would have a great deal of trouble trying.
-Cannibal was a wild dragon, as indicated previously: Dragons who had been previously tamed would be much easier to ride. Unlike Drogon, Viserion hadn't had a rider since Euron bound him with the Dragon Horn, which you were planning on trying to do. (Which I find entertaining, because something like that probably would have been destroyed by Daenerys after killing Euron.)
-Silver Dany may have failed with Sheepstealer because Sheepstealer was unfamiliar with him. Nettles made herself familiar to the dragon by coming to it daily with freshly butchered sheep

That leaves us with what? A few dozen potential dragon riders trying to claim a small pool of Dragons previously deemed untamable. Good job sir. Good Job. You have learned that not all dragons are fit to be mounts.

Here is a list of Dragons which were mounted by multiple riders.
Balerion: 3 Riders of the Same Lineage
Dreamfyre: 2 Riders, both had the Same Father
Seasmoke: 2 Riders, Both Valaryon (A Valyrian House)
Silverwing: 2 Riders, One Targ and one Dragonseed
Vermithor: 2 Riders, One Targ King and one Dragonseed
Vhagar: 3 Riders, Two targaryens, One Valaryon with a Targaryen Mother


Now that is about.. 1/3 of the Dragons on the list. Many of the Dragons on the list provided by the wiki died with their riders during the Dance of Dragons. Considering that dragon taming is much easier for Valyrians than for Westerosi, most of those who died were dragonseeds as you mentioned earlier. This implicates they are bastards of Targaryen or Valaryon Lords and Westerosi commoners. They weren't raised learning dragonlore, nor were they taught High Valyrian as a child. The fact that ANY of them were able to mount and ride dragons shows that it is most likely decided upon by how much Valyrian blood they actually have in their family. Seeing as Ixidor is the child of a Targaryen Bastard and an Elyrian Noble(Who are of Valyrian Descent mind you), he would have a higher chance of claiming a Dragon.

His Grandfather Euron rode Viserion using Valyrian Magic. Ixidor knows the Valyrian Religion(He is not of the Faith and that is not a known fact IC), thus giving him intimate knowledge of Dragons. If you have further problems with my claiming of Viserion please bring them forward. If I find them persuasive I will alter my post to give myself a harder struggle. I already made mention that doing anything more than flying, landing and controlling Viserion would be out of the question right now. I was going to have Ixidor train with Viserion in several of my next posts. Leading up to a raid on one of the Crownlander houses which did not answer the call of House Crassius.

[Givious]

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seriously???

Ok, so I can muster maybe a little over 100 ships (Half of your fleet, not including any houses you sway with whores or gold), and if I looted every single guy holding a spear from all the houses loyal to me I would number 9,000 men.... which you pretty much have in and around (adding in Stokeworth) King's Landing alone, not to mention you are buying every mercenary in essos with more than a dagger in their hands and bringing them here to fight for you....

In the field of fire three dragons combined killed 4,000 guys.... sure one burned down a castle that was undermanned and wasn't expecting a dragon to burn it down, but truthfully dragons are not the battlefield weapon you are painting them as.

I am outgunned in every fucking way possible in this Rp, borderline OP on Tyrell part. If I seriously have to sit on fucking dragonstone for as long as it takes for the Tyrell fleet to show up then why in the hell is anyone declaring for me? It would be like if Stannis had said "I'm the king" and NOT laid siege to storms end and just sat on Dragonstone hoping his banners would leave his brother who was making attempts to gain the throne.

I was planning on Baelor have MASSIVE problems with Rhaegal; but Aegon would of had experience with Drogon, both riding and being around him. If me having a single asset in my column is THAT much of an issue in this Rp, I don't get why I don't just bow down and us call it over because thats the only card I have at the moment; is that I am a Targaryen and I have a dragon. I have a small army, I have a small navy, I have VERY few bannermen (which you have been talking about buying off), and now you are saying it should take Rp time for me to gain a dragon (which you have said you are just going to bind to you using magic) which I don't have as you claimed the throne and exterminated the red keep in a single day.... yeah okay.

Oh, this is a fun thing to do at 4:14am. But I never leave a reply waiting.

First of all, I have no control over the fact that you lack banners. If you desire more men so much, forfeit House Crassius and take House Baratheon. From what I understand, the Stormlands field 40-45k men. I've said before that the Crownlands can raise more than you're quoting, and I'm bribing only one House. One. Even *with* Stokeworth and the Gold Cloaks your army would be five thousand stronger than mine.

And, yes, it should take time for you to get on Drogon and ride him. I'm not saying you can't, I'm just saying it's impratical to believe Drogon will instantly except you as his rider, especially with Daenerys dead. Dreamfyre when berserk when Helaena Targaryen died--similarly, Drogon should be as hostile. It took Daenerys two years to tame Drogon, I should hope you can wait two weeks. Also, if you plannes for Baelor to have "massive problems" with Rhaegal, why was he so casually able to climb aboard?

Furthermore, dragons are indeed amazing war machines. They killed four thousand men on the Field of Fire, but that brought an army of fifty-five thousand to its knees--against an army of ten thousand, nonetheless. You oddly underestimate what you describe as your "one asset."

Know what, I don't care anymore. Snipped the dragon part.

[Arlye Austros]

gonna control Olena Tyrell a bit, to speed up things.

[Lorellion]

Well the Tullys are officially split!

[Arlye Austros]

Well the Tullys are officially split!

YAY!

[Logistica Suprema]

gonna control Olena Tyrell a bit, to speed up things.

By all means, go ahead. Just remember, she's a nervous wreck and she's just looking for a friend. She's the only Tyrell that's not intriguing right now.

Well the Tullys are officially split!

Long live the Tully of Mallister! Long live Edmyn! Death to Roslin! Death to Medgar!

And once again, the Riverlands become a stomping ground for warfare.

[Senkaku]

Well the Tullys are officially split!

YAY!

That fish' eyes though... Just look at them!

[Arlye Austros]

YAY!

That fish' eyes though... Just look at them!

Fish be like: "Why, Hawk, STAHP!"

[Arlye Austros]

gonna control Olena Tyrell a bit, to speed up things.

By all means, go ahead. Just remember, she's a nervous wreck and she's just looking for a friend. She's the only Tyrell that's not intriguing right now.

Good to know, gonna actually make use of it a bit, but have to change some lines, was giving her quite a confidence.

[Lorellion]

Well the Tullys are officially split!

YAY!

Oh god.

[Arlye Austros]

Is, by any chance, the Pin of the Hand being offered to Vardis?

[Logistica Suprema]

Is, by any chance, the Pin of the Hand being offered to Vardis?
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I didn't directly write that Garlan offered him the pin of the Hand, but it seems unlikely he would let Trystane keep it. Why?

[Arlye Austros]

Is, by any chance, the Pin of the Hand being offered to Vardis?
(Image)

I didn't directly write that Garlan offered him the pin of the Hand, but it seems unlikely he would let Trystane keep it. Why?

Descriptive things for my post.

[Arlye Austros]

Listening to "The Man Who Would Be King" by Iron Maiden as I write. Nice inspiration.

[Theocracy of Catholicism]

Let's use R'hllor magic to resurrect Dany!

[Lorellion]

Oh, this is a fun thing to do at 4:14am. But I never leave a reply waiting.

First of all, I have no control over the fact that you lack banners. If you desire more men so much, forfeit House Crassius and take House Baratheon. From what I understand, the Stormlands field 40-45k men. I've said before that the Crownlands can raise more than you're quoting, and I'm bribing only one House. One. Even *with* Stokeworth and the Gold Cloaks your army would be five thousand stronger than mine.

And, yes, it should take time for you to get on Drogon and ride him. I'm not saying you can't, I'm just saying it's impratical to believe Drogon will instantly except you as his rider, especially with Daenerys dead. Dreamfyre when berserk when Helaena Targaryen died--similarly, Drogon should be as hostile. It took Daenerys two years to tame Drogon, I should hope you can wait two weeks. Also, if you plannes for Baelor to have "massive problems" with Rhaegal, why was he so casually able to climb aboard?

Furthermore, dragons are indeed amazing war machines. They killed four thousand men on the Field of Fire, but that brought an army of fifty-five thousand to its knees--against an army of ten thousand, nonetheless. You oddly underestimate what you describe as your "one asset."

Know what, I don't care anymore. Snipped the dragon part.

I would say that perhaps you could have the dragons, but not have them all in one place. It would be realistic for you to tame them and then have them off doing different tasks. Someone is going to have to tame them. And half of the Riverlands just declared for you.

[Kuhlfros]

So I need to get something straight

There is a Letter being sent to Lord Rickard to join the cause of Crassius

Rickard has marched on day three for Sea Dragon Point to confront what he presumes is a band of brigands raiding some villages,

Eddard is Attempting to Enter Kings Landing

Brandon is stuck in Kings Landing conflicted on what he should do considering doing something much more brash than he would like.

Is this all correct

[Logistica Suprema]

So I need to get something straight

There is a Letter being sent to Lord Rickard to join the cause of Crassius

Rickard has marched on day three for Sea Dragon Point to confront what he presumes is a band of brigands raiding some villages,

Eddard is Attempting to Enter Kings Landing

Brandon is stuck in Kings Landing conflicted on what he should do considering doing something much more brash than he would like.

Is this all correct

And Garlan Tyrell has sent you a letter to declare for the Tyrell cause. Also, it will arrive before the Crassius letter.

EDIT: Just read part of Vale post. Garlan's logic follows that, since Crassius rosr as high as possible under Daenerys, it became necessary to eliminate Daenerys to rise higher.

[Lorellion]

I sure hope someone reacts to the shit that just went down in Riverrun.

[Givious]

So I need to get something straight

There is a Letter being sent to Lord Rickard to join the cause of Crassius

Rickard has marched on day three for Sea Dragon Point to confront what he presumes is a band of brigands raiding some villages,

Eddard is Attempting to Enter Kings Landing

Brandon is stuck in Kings Landing conflicted on what he should do considering doing something much more brash than he would like.

Is this all correct

And Garlan Tyrell has sent you a letter to declare for the Tyrell cause. Also, it will arrive before the Crassius letter.

EDIT: Just read part of Vale post. Garlan's logic follows that, since Crassius rosr as high as possible under Daenerys, it became necessary to eliminate Daenerys to rise higher.

If it does maybe by a day at the absolute most