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Postby Givious » Sat Jul 19, 2014 9:52 am

Here is my problem with "gold is king". I try to raise sellswords, he pays them more. I try to raise banners, he bribes them so they turn against me. So I am left with 4,000-6,000 men, 70 some ships, and three dragons...

I'm not going to throw a fuss over it, but just kinda sucks when I can't raise the houses that would be my technical bannermen
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Postby Lunas Legion » Sat Jul 19, 2014 9:55 am

Givious wrote:Here is my problem with "gold is king". I try to raise sellswords, he pays them more. I try to raise banners, he bribes them so they turn against me. So I am left with 4,000-6,000 men, 70 some ships, and three dragons...

I'm not going to throw a fuss over it, but just kinda sucks when I can't raise the houses that would be my technical bannermen


Most houses would take the gold, then raise their banners anyway. No noble would be caught selling his reputation and honour for gold, simply because he'd be alienated by his peers.
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Postby Nuxipal » Sat Jul 19, 2014 10:24 am

Lunas Legion wrote:
Givious wrote:Here is my problem with "gold is king". I try to raise sellswords, he pays them more. I try to raise banners, he bribes them so they turn against me. So I am left with 4,000-6,000 men, 70 some ships, and three dragons...

I'm not going to throw a fuss over it, but just kinda sucks when I can't raise the houses that would be my technical bannermen


Most houses would take the gold, then raise their banners anyway. No noble would be caught selling his reputation and honour for gold, simply because he'd be alienated by his peers.


This is true. However, if you all recall correctly, House Bloodfyre has a pretty large stash of coin itself. Probably enough to bribe the entirety of the Gold Cloaks as well as Crownlander houses to remain loyal to the Targs if we chose to. Selling your estate and merchant fleet kinda gives you an enormous volume of wealth, which is currently sitting on ships in Dragonstone's harbor. Not to mention, coming from Essos originally, It would be easier for Bloodfyre to raise merc banners from across the Narrow Seas or if Dany ever introduced her children to the Dothraki there is a possibility of promising a Khalasar the ability to pillage the Reach once more.

Fortunately, the Tyrells have no idea who the Bloodfyres really are, how much wealth they have, or what kind of political pull they have with mercs and/or Westerosi houses.
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Postby Theocracy of Catholicism » Sat Jul 19, 2014 11:28 am

This may have been mentioned somewhere, but what population is Westeros? The wiki says a few million, but how many died during the Second Long Night? Because I think it's safe to say a lot of old houses, especially in the North, were exterminated, by the Wights or by Dany's civil war. So the question is, would it be mostly new houses that have sprung up to replace them, or would the strongest regional house that survived expand encompass the political vacuum?
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Postby Senkaku » Sat Jul 19, 2014 12:54 pm

House Name: House Desseros

Sigil: the sigil of House Desseros is a red cobra, coiled around a golden apple on a green field.

Head of House: Lysis Desseros, age 74

Relevant House Members:
Rena Qhaedar, age 73, Lysis's lady wife

Reqerro Desseros, age 42, Lysis's heir and eldest son
Rysa Azher, age 39, Reqerro's lady wife
Sool Desseros, age 18, Reqerro's eldest son
Sezkar Desseros, age 14, Reqerro's second son
Melessa Desseros, age 12, Reqerro's only daughter
Skerhez, age 15, his natural son, known to the family, lives with Reqerro and his family and is treated well. Reqerro is said to be considering legitimizing him.

Tyren Desseros, age 33, Lysis's youngest son
Kelis mo Kandaq, age 32, his lady wife
Daenerys Desseros, age 14, his daughter, heir, and only child

Espera Desseros, age 32, Lysis's only daughter
Qarro Antaryon, age 30, her lord husband

Pyress Desseros, age 67, Lysis's second-youngest brother
Almir Xher Daos, age 59, his lady wife
Xaren Desseros, age 31, their eldest son and heir
Parquello Desseros, age 29, their second son
Pelios Desseros, age 24, their youngest son
Sepherra Desseros, age 22, their daughter and youngest child, widow of the late Lord Resnyr (the elderly and feeble former patriarch of the Resnyr freeholder family)
Sy'dar, his natural son, age 18, unknown to the family, serving as a slave oarsman aboard the trading galley Perfumed Breeze.

Lyson Desseros, age 65, Lysis's youngest brother, unmarried and childless, serving in the Volantene navy as Lord Admiral.
His bastard children, numbering at least sixty-four, scattered all over the world from Qarth to Meereen to Volantis to Braavos to Lannisport and several other Westerosi cities, of ages from between 46 and 3 years.

Syria Desseros, age 67, twin sister of Pyress, Lysis's younger sister
Alenio Forel, age 66, her lord husband

Pallidas Desseros, age 44, daughter of Syria and Alenio
Cero Xhoan Das, age 45, her lord husband
Regis Desseros, age 21, their only son and heir

Nymeria Qhaedar, age 30, bastard half-sister to Lysis, married to Rena Qhaedar's younger half-brother Dejret Qhaedar, age 28


House Seat: Volantis

House's Faith: House Desseros follows many gods, as many people from all over have married into it. Most native-born Volantenes follow red R'hllor, though not especially devotedly. With marital ties to houses in Qarth, Meereen, and Braavos, various members of House Desseros worship various gods.

Military Forces: House Desseros controls a large fleet of around 300 ships, some of which are converted merchant craft. They also have a sizable purely commercial fleet. On land, they can field around 20,000 men, largely slave soldiers. Their forces make up an appreciable chunk of the Volantene military.

Sworn Houses: A number of other lesser Volantene noble houses, and the more powerful Houses Azher and Qhaedar are sworn to House Desseros. Those few Volantene noble houses that are not officially sworn to House Desseros are still under their sway, however.

Events within the House in the 50 years between the OP history and the RP:
Daenerys Targaryen may have smashed the slave trade in Slaver's Bay, but the silver queen never did break Volantis, nor approach it. Volantis has continued in its old ways for the last fifty years, and presently is ruled by the triarchs Lysis Desseros, Raperio Azher, and Thyris Azhad. However, Volantis, due to the end of the slave trade in Slaver's Bay, has, along with Qarth, become a center for that trade and grown even wealthier from the influx of slaves and slavers. The city suffered several slave revolts as the Mother of Dragons continued the reclamation of her empire, one of which came immediately after Daenerys seized the Iron Throne and was led by the widow of the waterfront, but all were eventually crushed. During this time, Lysis Desseros used the instability and fear in the city to vastly increase his House's influence, along with his fellow triarchs. He has been continuously elected triarch for the last forty-nine years along with those who rose to power with him, and has won the love of Volantis's people, even slaves, to whom he has extended a basic charter of rights to help stop abuse. He has ridden out every crisis yet, even the Naath Crisis, in which Volantene slavers attacked Naath and Daenerys threatened war for their crimes. It was during this crisis that, to appease the dragon queen, the slaves were given their rights, and also that a Volantene fleet was sent to help crush the Hightower Rebellion. As well as making a number of popular decisions and enacting popular policies, he has shrewdly manipulated the other noble houses of Old Volantis and eliminated his enemies ruthlessly. Volantis remains a wealthy, powerful, and ancient city, and House Desseros's star is still ascendant.

RP Example: One, two, if you need more do say so and I'll find some.

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House Desseros basically controls much of Volantis, and has been cautious regarding Daenerys while she reigned. While Volantis did not free her slaves, they have been given some rights to appease the silver queen, and the city has also become friendlier to trade from Westeros and the cities in Essos that the Dragon Queen conquered. Lysis Desseros is often described as "the Tywin of Volantis", for his similarities to the late Tywin Lannister in his political maneuvering. He is still in good health and maintains a firm grip on his House and the city.
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Postby Kuhlfros » Sat Jul 19, 2014 12:58 pm

Brandon may or may not ask for help to do something special to the sword he has forging for Garlan Tyrell :roll:
(May or may not poison the blade so that he can "accidently" give Garlan a lethal infection :twisted:
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Postby Kuhlfros » Sat Jul 19, 2014 6:51 pm

Oh I forgot to put Rickard Stark Arc, He was amassing a small host to take on Eddard Mormount
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Postby New Frenco Empire » Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:13 pm

Lunas Legion wrote:
Givious wrote:Here is my problem with "gold is king". I try to raise sellswords, he pays them more. I try to raise banners, he bribes them so they turn against me. So I am left with 4,000-6,000 men, 70 some ships, and three dragons...

I'm not going to throw a fuss over it, but just kinda sucks when I can't raise the houses that would be my technical bannermen


Most houses would take the gold, then raise their banners anyway. No noble would be caught selling his reputation and honour for gold, simply because he'd be alienated by his peers.

Technically speaking, most Crownlands houses are sworn to the throne. Tyrell might not be their rightful liege, but they do hold the throne...
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Postby Logistica Suprema » Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:51 pm

New Frenco Empire wrote:
Lunas Legion wrote:
Most houses would take the gold, then raise their banners anyway. No noble would be caught selling his reputation and honour for gold, simply because he'd be alienated by his peers.

Technically speaking, most Crownlands houses are sworn to the throne. Tyrell might not be their rightful liege, but they do hold the throne...


So here's what I'm thinking. I'd say the Crownlands can probably raise about 20,000 men total. If we say Tyrell sways House Stokeworth, with 6,000 men, that gives it a balance of 6,000 Tyrell to 14,000 Crassius at the Siege of King's Landing, plus Gold Cloaks. Does that sound satisfactory for everyone?

EDIT:

Where's Oberyn Martell? Also, @Kulhfros, that sword is going to be a nice gift that's never used. #Vigilance. I'm going to close the coup in the next post, and there's going to be a long post coming. I plan to mention:

-the conclusion of the coup
-Garlan writing to the Crownland lords, the Reach lords, and all other Lords Paramount, declaring his right to rule by right of conquest and justice (justice, being, he has detained the queenslayer Thygar Crassius)
-Garlan writing to Essos to hire mercenaries--really, all that's going to happen is in about a month or two I'm going to have 35,000 mercenaries in King's Landing that are going to drain my coffers. Le sigh.
-Loras going to check on Randyll-Dickon, per Garlan's orders. Randyll-Dickon may either be dead or short a leg and in severe pain--I'm not sure yet.
-Olenna attempting to bond with Lysa Hardyng-Stark, in a genuine way . . . per Garlan's subtlest orders.
-Margaery reaffirming control of her knights
-Garlan going to speak with Vardis Hardyng-Stark
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Postby Arlye Austros » Sat Jul 19, 2014 8:28 pm

Logistica Suprema wrote:
New Frenco Empire wrote:Technically speaking, most Crownlands houses are sworn to the throne. Tyrell might not be their rightful liege, but they do hold the throne...


So here's what I'm thinking. I'd say the Crownlands can probably raise about 20,000 men total. If we say Tyrell sways House Stokeworth, with 6,000 men, that gives it a balance of 6,000 Tyrell to 14,000 Crassius at the Siege of King's Landing, plus Gold Cloaks. Does that sound satisfactory for everyone?

EDIT:

Where's Oberyn Martell? Also, @Kulhfros, that sword is going to be a nice gift that's never used. #Vigilance. I'm going to close the coup in the next post, and there's going to be a long post coming. I plan to mention:

-the conclusion of the coup
-Garlan writing to the Crownland lords, the Reach lords, and all other Lords Paramount, declaring his right to rule by right of conquest and justice (justice, being, he has detained the queenslayer Thygar Crassius)
-Garlan writing to Essos to hire mercenaries--really, all that's going to happen is in about a month or two I'm going to have 35,000 mercenaries in King's Landing that are going to drain my coffers. Le sigh.
-Loras going to check on Randyll-Dickon, per Garlan's orders. Randyll-Dickon may either be dead or short a leg and in severe pain--I'm not sure yet.
-Olenna attempting to bond with Lysa Hardyng-Stark, in a genuine way . . . per Garlan's subtlest orders.
-Margaery reaffirming control of her knights
-Garlan going to speak with Vardis Hardyng-Stark



Hmmmm

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Postby Givious » Sun Jul 20, 2014 12:29 am

Logistica Suprema wrote:
New Frenco Empire wrote:Technically speaking, most Crownlands houses are sworn to the throne. Tyrell might not be their rightful liege, but they do hold the throne...


So here's what I'm thinking. I'd say the Crownlands can probably raise about 20,000 men total. If we say Tyrell sways House Stokeworth, with 6,000 men, that gives it a balance of 6,000 Tyrell to 14,000 Crassius at the Siege of King's Landing, plus Gold Cloaks. Does that sound satisfactory for everyone?

EDIT:

Where's Oberyn Martell? Also, @Kulhfros, that sword is going to be a nice gift that's never used. #Vigilance. I'm going to close the coup in the next post, and there's going to be a long post coming. I plan to mention:

-the conclusion of the coup
-Garlan writing to the Crownland lords, the Reach lords, and all other Lords Paramount, declaring his right to rule by right of conquest and justice (justice, being, he has detained the queenslayer Thygar Crassius)
-Garlan writing to Essos to hire mercenaries--really, all that's going to happen is in about a month or two I'm going to have 35,000 mercenaries in King's Landing that are going to drain my coffers. Le sigh.
-Loras going to check on Randyll-Dickon, per Garlan's orders. Randyll-Dickon may either be dead or short a leg and in severe pain--I'm not sure yet.
-Olenna attempting to bond with Lysa Hardyng-Stark, in a genuine way . . . per Garlan's subtlest orders.
-Margaery reaffirming control of her knights
-Garlan going to speak with Vardis Hardyng-Stark


So if we are saying its 20,00, you forget house Blackwater (unless we are just ignoring them). If we are accepting them then I can muster MAYBE another 5,000 men
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Postby Nuxipal » Sun Jul 20, 2014 12:32 am

Expect the next bloodfyre post tomorrow night.
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Postby The United Realms Of Lords and Paradox » Sun Jul 20, 2014 12:49 am

Logistica Suprema wrote:
New Frenco Empire wrote:Technically speaking, most Crownlands houses are sworn to the throne. Tyrell might not be their rightful liege, but they do hold the throne...


So here's what I'm thinking. I'd say the Crownlands can probably raise about 20,000 men total. If we say Tyrell sways House Stokeworth, with 6,000 men, that gives it a balance of 6,000 Tyrell to 14,000 Crassius at the Siege of King's Landing, plus Gold Cloaks. Does that sound satisfactory for everyone?

EDIT:

Where's Oberyn Martell? Also, @Kulhfros, that sword is going to be a nice gift that's never used. #Vigilance. I'm going to close the coup in the next post, and there's going to be a long post coming. I plan to mention:

-the conclusion of the coup
-Garlan writing to the Crownland lords, the Reach lords, and all other Lords Paramount, declaring his right to rule by right of conquest and justice (justice, being, he has detained the queenslayer Thygar Crassius)
-Garlan writing to Essos to hire mercenaries--really, all that's going to happen is in about a month or two I'm going to have 35,000 mercenaries in King's Landing that are going to drain my coffers. Le sigh.
-Loras going to check on Randyll-Dickon, per Garlan's orders. Randyll-Dickon may either be dead or short a leg and in severe pain--I'm not sure yet.
-Olenna attempting to bond with Lysa Hardyng-Stark, in a genuine way . . . per Garlan's subtlest orders.
-Margaery reaffirming control of her knights
-Garlan going to speak with Vardis Hardyng-Stark


stannis hired all sellswords of braavos which is 6~5,000 men, 35,000 mercenaries that would be all of the major Merc companies and alot of smaller ones of free cities expect volantis, Golden company was 10,000 men and that was by far the biggest by a lot....

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Postby New Frenco Empire » Sun Jul 20, 2014 1:05 am

Logistica Suprema wrote:
New Frenco Empire wrote:Technically speaking, most Crownlands houses are sworn to the throne. Tyrell might not be their rightful liege, but they do hold the throne...


So here's what I'm thinking. I'd say the Crownlands can probably raise about 20,000 men total. If we say Tyrell sways House Stokeworth, with 6,000 men, that gives it a balance of 6,000 Tyrell to 14,000 Crassius at the Siege of King's Landing, plus Gold Cloaks. Does that sound satisfactory for everyone?

EDIT:

Where's Oberyn Martell? Also, @Kulhfros, that sword is going to be a nice gift that's never used. #Vigilance. I'm going to close the coup in the next post, and there's going to be a long post coming. I plan to mention:

-the conclusion of the coup
-Garlan writing to the Crownland lords, the Reach lords, and all other Lords Paramount, declaring his right to rule by right of conquest and justice (justice, being, he has detained the queenslayer Thygar Crassius)
-Garlan writing to Essos to hire mercenaries--really, all that's going to happen is in about a month or two I'm going to have 35,000 mercenaries in King's Landing that are going to drain my coffers. Le sigh.
-Loras going to check on Randyll-Dickon, per Garlan's orders. Randyll-Dickon may either be dead or short a leg and in severe pain--I'm not sure yet.
-Olenna attempting to bond with Lysa Hardyng-Stark, in a genuine way . . . per Garlan's subtlest orders.
-Margaery reaffirming control of her knights
-Garlan going to speak with Vardis Hardyng-Stark

On my power as king OP, Randyll-Dickon will be alive and well. He needs a more fulfilling death, damn you!

35,000 is kind of steep. Very steep. That's about as many men as the Stormlands can muster. Unless you're just shoving silvers and a spear into random peasants' hands, I don't think 35,000 is very reasonable. 10,000 gathered from multiple companies might be better.
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Postby Logistica Suprema » Sun Jul 20, 2014 1:08 am

Givious wrote:
Logistica Suprema wrote:
So here's what I'm thinking. I'd say the Crownlands can probably raise about 20,000 men total. If we say Tyrell sways House Stokeworth, with 6,000 men, that gives it a balance of 6,000 Tyrell to 14,000 Crassius at the Siege of King's Landing, plus Gold Cloaks. Does that sound satisfactory for everyone?

EDIT:

Where's Oberyn Martell? Also, @Kulhfros, that sword is going to be a nice gift that's never used. #Vigilance. I'm going to close the coup in the next post, and there's going to be a long post coming. I plan to mention:

-the conclusion of the coup
-Garlan writing to the Crownland lords, the Reach lords, and all other Lords Paramount, declaring his right to rule by right of conquest and justice (justice, being, he has detained the queenslayer Thygar Crassius)
-Garlan writing to Essos to hire mercenaries--really, all that's going to happen is in about a month or two I'm going to have 35,000 mercenaries in King's Landing that are going to drain my coffers. Le sigh.
-Loras going to check on Randyll-Dickon, per Garlan's orders. Randyll-Dickon may either be dead or short a leg and in severe pain--I'm not sure yet.
-Olenna attempting to bond with Lysa Hardyng-Stark, in a genuine way . . . per Garlan's subtlest orders.
-Margaery reaffirming control of her knights
-Garlan going to speak with Vardis Hardyng-Stark


So if we are saying its 20,00, you forget house Blackwater (unless we are just ignoring them). If we are accepting them then I can muster MAYBE another 5,000 men


Je suis fatigue. (I am tired.) You just give me an estimate on how many Crownlander Houses and their armies you think will amass outside King's Landing, and I'll have my House Stokeworth (damned traitors! :p ), and we'll go from there.

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Logistica Suprema wrote:
So here's what I'm thinking. I'd say the Crownlands can probably raise about 20,000 men total. If we say Tyrell sways House Stokeworth, with 6,000 men, that gives it a balance of 6,000 Tyrell to 14,000 Crassius at the Siege of King's Landing, plus Gold Cloaks. Does that sound satisfactory for everyone?

EDIT:

Where's Oberyn Martell? Also, @Kulhfros, that sword is going to be a nice gift that's never used. #Vigilance. I'm going to close the coup in the next post, and there's going to be a long post coming. I plan to mention:

-the conclusion of the coup
-Garlan writing to the Crownland lords, the Reach lords, and all other Lords Paramount, declaring his right to rule by right of conquest and justice (justice, being, he has detained the queenslayer Thygar Crassius)
-Garlan writing to Essos to hire mercenaries--really, all that's going to happen is in about a month or two I'm going to have 35,000 mercenaries in King's Landing that are going to drain my coffers. Le sigh.
-Loras going to check on Randyll-Dickon, per Garlan's orders. Randyll-Dickon may either be dead or short a leg and in severe pain--I'm not sure yet.
-Olenna attempting to bond with Lysa Hardyng-Stark, in a genuine way . . . per Garlan's subtlest orders.
-Margaery reaffirming control of her knights
-Garlan going to speak with Vardis Hardyng-Stark


stannis hired all sellswords of braavos which is 6~5,000 men, 35,000 mercenaries that would be all of the major Merc companies and alot of smaller ones of free cities expect volantis, Golden company was 10,000 men and that was by far the biggest by a lot....

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Logistica Suprema wrote:
So here's what I'm thinking. I'd say the Crownlands can probably raise about 20,000 men total. If we say Tyrell sways House Stokeworth, with 6,000 men, that gives it a balance of 6,000 Tyrell to 14,000 Crassius at the Siege of King's Landing, plus Gold Cloaks. Does that sound satisfactory for everyone?

EDIT:

Where's Oberyn Martell? Also, @Kulhfros, that sword is going to be a nice gift that's never used. #Vigilance. I'm going to close the coup in the next post, and there's going to be a long post coming. I plan to mention:

-the conclusion of the coup
-Garlan writing to the Crownland lords, the Reach lords, and all other Lords Paramount, declaring his right to rule by right of conquest and justice (justice, being, he has detained the queenslayer Thygar Crassius)
-Garlan writing to Essos to hire mercenaries--really, all that's going to happen is in about a month or two I'm going to have 35,000 mercenaries in King's Landing that are going to drain my coffers. Le sigh.
-Loras going to check on Randyll-Dickon, per Garlan's orders. Randyll-Dickon may either be dead or short a leg and in severe pain--I'm not sure yet.
-Olenna attempting to bond with Lysa Hardyng-Stark, in a genuine way . . . per Garlan's subtlest orders.
-Margaery reaffirming control of her knights
-Garlan going to speak with Vardis Hardyng-Stark

On my power as king OP, Randyll-Dickon will be alive and well. He needs a more fulfilling death, damn you!

35,000 is kind of steep. Very steep. That's about as many men as the Stormlands can muster. Unless you're just shoving silvers and a spear into random peasants' hands, I don't think 35,000 is very reasonable. 10,000 gathered from multiple companies might be better.


I'll toggle the number as needed. 35,000 was just a number I threw down. But, note, I do mean to hire a lot of mercenaries.

Also, fine. Randyll-Dickon lives. I actually imagined a scene during a counter-coup in which Randyll, unable to leave his room due to his lost leg, sits on his bed with two squires (they're loading crossbows) and simply begins shooting the men coming into his room with crossbow bolts until they overtake him.
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Postby New Frenco Empire » Sun Jul 20, 2014 1:16 am

Logistica Suprema wrote:
Givious wrote:
So if we are saying its 20,00, you forget house Blackwater (unless we are just ignoring them). If we are accepting them then I can muster MAYBE another 5,000 men


Je suis fatigue. (I am tired.) You just give me an estimate on how many Crownlander Houses and their armies you think will amass outside King's Landing, and I'll have my House Stokeworth (damned traitors! :p ), and we'll go from there.

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stannis hired all sellswords of braavos which is 6~5,000 men, 35,000 mercenaries that would be all of the major Merc companies and alot of smaller ones of free cities expect volantis, Golden company was 10,000 men and that was by far the biggest by a lot....

New Frenco Empire wrote:On my power as king OP, Randyll-Dickon will be alive and well. He needs a more fulfilling death, damn you!

35,000 is kind of steep. Very steep. That's about as many men as the Stormlands can muster. Unless you're just shoving silvers and a spear into random peasants' hands, I don't think 35,000 is very reasonable. 10,000 gathered from multiple companies might be better.


I'll toggle the number as needed. 35,000 was just a number I threw down. But, note, I do mean to hire a lot of mercenaries.

Also, fine. Randyll-Dickon lives. I actually imagined a scene during a counter-coup in which Randyll, unable to leave his room due to his lost leg, sits on his bed with two squires (they're loading crossbows) and simply begins shooting the men coming into his room with crossbow bolts until they overtake him.

I was mostly kidding about Tarly, but whatever you want.
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Postby Lorellion » Sun Jul 20, 2014 8:06 am

As the coup in King's Landing draws to a close, the winds of war are coming to Riverrun. Expect an important death and a Tully split soon. One half of the Tullys are going to swear allegiance to Aegon Crassius and the other half will swear allegiance to House Tyrell.

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Postby Givious » Sun Jul 20, 2014 8:46 am

Logistica Suprema wrote:
Givious wrote:
So if we are saying its 20,00, you forget house Blackwater (unless we are just ignoring them). If we are accepting them then I can muster MAYBE another 5,000 men


Je suis fatigue. (I am tired.) You just give me an estimate on how many Crownlander Houses and their armies you think will amass outside King's Landing, and I'll have my House Stokeworth (damned traitors! :p ), and we'll go from there.

The United Realms Of Lords and Paradox wrote:
stannis hired all sellswords of braavos which is 6~5,000 men, 35,000 mercenaries that would be all of the major Merc companies and alot of smaller ones of free cities expect volantis, Golden company was 10,000 men and that was by far the biggest by a lot....

New Frenco Empire wrote:On my power as king OP, Randyll-Dickon will be alive and well. He needs a more fulfilling death, damn you!

35,000 is kind of steep. Very steep. That's about as many men as the Stormlands can muster. Unless you're just shoving silvers and a spear into random peasants' hands, I don't think 35,000 is very reasonable. 10,000 gathered from multiple companies might be better.


I'll toggle the number as needed. 35,000 was just a number I threw down. But, note, I do mean to hire a lot of mercenaries.

Also, fine. Randyll-Dickon lives. I actually imagined a scene during a counter-coup in which Randyll, unable to leave his room due to his lost leg, sits on his bed with two squires (they're loading crossbows) and simply begins shooting the men coming into his room with crossbow bolts until they overtake him.


Just remember your not the only one hiring... And it's AEGON TARGARYEN! Lol
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Postby Lorellion » Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:17 am

Givious wrote:
Logistica Suprema wrote:
Je suis fatigue. (I am tired.) You just give me an estimate on how many Crownlander Houses and their armies you think will amass outside King's Landing, and I'll have my House Stokeworth (damned traitors! :p ), and we'll go from there.




I'll toggle the number as needed. 35,000 was just a number I threw down. But, note, I do mean to hire a lot of mercenaries.

Also, fine. Randyll-Dickon lives. I actually imagined a scene during a counter-coup in which Randyll, unable to leave his room due to his lost leg, sits on his bed with two squires (they're loading crossbows) and simply begins shooting the men coming into his room with crossbow bolts until they overtake him.


Just remember your not the only one hiring... And it's AEGON TARGARYEN! Lol


My bad. Lol :lol2:

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Postby Senkaku » Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:40 am

House Name: House Desseros

Sigil: the sigil of House Desseros is a red cobra, coiled around a golden apple on a green field.

Head of House: Lysis Desseros, age 74

Relevant House Members:
Rena Qhaedar, age 73, Lysis's lady wife

Reqerro Desseros, age 42, Lysis's heir and eldest son
Rysa Azher, age 39, Reqerro's lady wife
Sool Desseros, age 18, Reqerro's eldest son
Sezkar Desseros, age 14, Reqerro's second son
Melessa Desseros, age 12, Reqerro's only daughter
Skerhez, age 15, his natural son, known to the family, lives with Reqerro and his family and is treated well. Reqerro is said to be considering legitimizing him.

Tyren Desseros, age 33, Lysis's youngest son
Kelis mo Kandaq, age 32, his lady wife
Daenerys Desseros, age 14, his daughter, heir, and only child

Espera Desseros, age 32, Lysis's only daughter
Qarro Antaryon, age 30, her lord husband

Pyress Desseros, age 67, Lysis's second-youngest brother
Almir Xher Daos, age 59, his lady wife
Xaren Desseros, age 31, their eldest son and heir
Parquello Desseros, age 29, their second son
Pelios Desseros, age 24, their youngest son
Sepherra Desseros, age 22, their youngest child and only daughter, widow of the late Lord Resnyr (an elderly and feeble man and several times a candidate for triarch, former patriarch of the Resnyr freeholder family)
Sy'dar, his natural son, age 18, unknown to the family, serving as a slave oarsman aboard the trading galley Perfumed Breeze.

Lyson Desseros, age 65, Lysis's youngest brother, unmarried and childless, serving in the Volantene navy as Lord Admiral.
His bastard children, numbering at least sixty-four, scattered all over the world from Qarth to Meereen to Volantis to Braavos to Lannisport and several other Westerosi cities, of ages from between 46 and 3 years.

Syria Desseros, age 67, twin sister of Pyress, Lysis's younger sister
Alenio Forel, age 66, her lord husband

Pallidas Desseros, age 44, daughter of Syria and Alenio
Cero Xhoan Das, age 45, her lord husband
Regis Desseros, age 21, their only son and heir

Nymeria Qhaedar, age 30, bastard half-sister to Lysis, married to Rena Qhaedar's younger half-brother Dejret Qhaedar, age 28


House Seat: Volantis

House's Faith: House Desseros follows many gods, as many people from all over have married into it. Most native-born Volantenes follow red R'hllor, though not especially devotedly. With marital ties to houses in Qarth, Meereen, and Braavos, various members of House Desseros worship various gods.

Military Forces: House Desseros controls a large fleet of around 300 ships, some of which are converted merchant craft. They also have a sizable purely commercial fleet. On land, they can field around 20,000 men, largely slave soldiers. Their forces make up an appreciable chunk of the Volantene military.

Sworn Houses: A number of other lesser Volantene noble houses, and the more powerful Houses Azher and Qhaedar are sworn to House Desseros. Those few Volantene noble houses that are not officially sworn to House Desseros are still under their sway, however.

Events within the House in the 50 years between the OP history and the RP:
Daenerys Targaryen may have smashed the slave trade in Slaver's Bay, but the silver queen never did break Volantis, nor approach it. Volantis has continued in its old ways for the last fifty years, and presently is ruled by the triarchs Lysis Desseros, Raperio Azher, and Thyris Azhad. However, Volantis, due to the end of the slave trade in Slaver's Bay, has, along with Qarth, become a center for that trade and grown even wealthier from the influx of slaves and slavers. The city suffered several slave revolts as the Mother of Dragons continued the reclamation of her empire, one of which came immediately after Daenerys seized the Iron Throne and was led by the widow of the waterfront, but all were eventually crushed. During this time, Lysis Desseros used the instability and fear in the city to vastly increase his House's influence. He has been continuously elected triarch for the last forty-nine years, and has won the love of Volantis's people, even slaves, to whom he has extended a basic charter of rights to help stop abuse. As well as making a number of popular decisions and enacting popular policies, he has shrewdly manipulated the other noble houses of Old Volantis and eliminated his enemies ruthlessly.
When the Hightower Revolt occurred, Lysis decided to intervene, as the daughter of a lord sworn to him had been Garlan Tyrell's mother. The Volantene fleet that was dispatched was largely composed of House Desseros's ships, and their naval prowess smashed the Redwyne fleet. The merchant ships given to Volantis by Garlan Tyrell were largely appropriated by House Desseros, and between these ships and their already existing fleet, the merchant empire of House Desseros is a powerful thing, and easily a rival to any of the Qartheen merchant guilds or Westerosi merchant fleets. Volantis remains a wealthy, powerful, and ancient city, and House Desseros's star is still ascendant.

RP Example: One, two, if you need more do say so and I'll find some.

Notes:
House Desseros basically controls much of Volantis, and has been cautious regarding Daenerys while she reigned. While Volantis did not free her slaves, they have been given some rights, and the city has also become friendlier to trade from Westeros and the cities in Essos that the Dragon Queen conquered. Lysis Desseros is often described as "the Tywin of Volantis", for his similarities to the late Tywin Lannister in his political maneuvering. He is still in good health and maintains a firm grip on his House and the city.
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Postby Kuhlfros » Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:32 am

If I could get Garlan even the tiniest cup...I could get him, But How? ,-_-,
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Postby Logistica Suprema » Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:01 am

New Frenco Empire wrote:
Logistica Suprema wrote:
Je suis fatigue. (I am tired.) You just give me an estimate on how many Crownlander Houses and their armies you think will amass outside King's Landing, and I'll have my House Stokeworth (damned traitors! :p ), and we'll go from there.




I'll toggle the number as needed. 35,000 was just a number I threw down. But, note, I do mean to hire a lot of mercenaries.

Also, fine. Randyll-Dickon lives. I actually imagined a scene during a counter-coup in which Randyll, unable to leave his room due to his lost leg, sits on his bed with two squires (they're loading crossbows) and simply begins shooting the men coming into his room with crossbow bolts until they overtake him.

I was mostly kidding about Tarly, but whatever you want.


One does not kid about Ser Randyll-Dickon Tarly! :p And I'll lower it to 10,000 mercenaries. We'll say three weeks? They don't need to be levied, after all, but they are all across the Narrow Sea. I'd say a week for the message to arrive, a few days for them to consider, and about a week-and-a-half to cross the Narrow Sea.

Lorellion wrote:As the coup in King's Landing draws to a close, the winds of war are coming to Riverrun. Expect an important death and a Tully split soon. One half of the Tullys are going to swear allegiance to Aegon Crassius and the other half will swear allegiance to House Tyrell.


Garlan looks forward to supporting the rightful Lords of Riverrun, by the king's own decree.

Givious wrote:
Logistica Suprema wrote:
Je suis fatigue. (I am tired.) You just give me an estimate on how many Crownlander Houses and their armies you think will amass outside King's Landing, and I'll have my House Stokeworth (damned traitors! :p ), and we'll go from there.




I'll toggle the number as needed. 35,000 was just a number I threw down. But, note, I do mean to hire a lot of mercenaries.

Also, fine. Randyll-Dickon lives. I actually imagined a scene during a counter-coup in which Randyll, unable to leave his room due to his lost leg, sits on his bed with two squires (they're loading crossbows) and simply begins shooting the men coming into his room with crossbow bolts until they overtake him.


Just remember your not the only one hiring... And it's AEGON TARGARYEN! Lol


I know. Our men shall fight on a field of roses! My roses. :)

Senkaku wrote:
Senkaku wrote:House Name: House Desseros

Sigil: the sigil of House Desseros is a red cobra, coiled around a golden apple on a green field.

Head of House: Lysis Desseros, age 74

Relevant House Members:
Rena Qhaedar, age 73, Lysis's lady wife

Reqerro Desseros, age 42, Lysis's heir and eldest son
Rysa Azher, age 39, Reqerro's lady wife
Sool Desseros, age 18, Reqerro's eldest son
Sezkar Desseros, age 14, Reqerro's second son
Melessa Desseros, age 12, Reqerro's only daughter
Skerhez, age 15, his natural son, known to the family, lives with Reqerro and his family and is treated well. Reqerro is said to be considering legitimizing him.

Tyren Desseros, age 33, Lysis's youngest son
Kelis mo Kandaq, age 32, his lady wife
Daenerys Desseros, age 14, his daughter, heir, and only child

Espera Desseros, age 32, Lysis's only daughter
Qarro Antaryon, age 30, her lord husband

Pyress Desseros, age 67, Lysis's second-youngest brother
Almir Xher Daos, age 59, his lady wife
Xaren Desseros, age 31, their eldest son and heir
Parquello Desseros, age 29, their second son
Pelios Desseros, age 24, their youngest son
Sy'dar, his natural son, age 18, unknown to the family, serving as a slave oarsman aboard the trading galley Perfumed Breeze.

Lyson Desseros, age 65, Lysis's youngest brother, unmarried and childless, serving in the Volantene navy as Lord Admiral.
His bastard children, numbering at least sixty-four, scattered all over the world from Qarth to Meereen to Volantis to Braavos to Lannisport and several other Westerosi cities, of ages from between 46 and 3 years.

Syria Desseros, age 67, twin sister of Pyress, Lysis's younger sister
Alenio Forel, age 66, her lord husband

Pallidas Desseros, age 44, daughter of Syria and Alenio
Cero Xhoan Das, age 45, her lord husband
Regis Desseros, age 21, their only son and heir

Nymeria Qhaedar, age 30, bastard half-sister to Lysis, married to Rena Qhaedar's younger half-brother Dejret Qhaedar, age 28


House Seat: Volantis

House's Faith: House Desseros follows many gods, as many people from all over have married into it. Most native-born Volantenes follow red R'hllor, though not especially devotedly. With marital ties to houses in Qarth, Meereen, and Braavos, various members of House Desseros worship various gods.

Military Forces: House Desseros controls a large fleet of around 300 ships, some of which are converted merchant craft. They also have a sizable purely commercial fleet. On land, they can field around 20,000 men, largely slave soldiers. Their forces make up an appreciable chunk of the Volantene military.

Sworn Houses: A number of other lesser Volantene noble houses, and the more powerful Houses Azher and Qhaedar are sworn to House Desseros. Those few Volantene noble houses that are not officially sworn to House Desseros are still under their sway, however.

Events within the House in the 50 years between the OP history and the RP:
Daenerys Targaryen may have smashed the slave trade in Slaver's Bay, but the silver queen never did break Volantis, nor approach it. Volantis has continued in its old ways for the last fifty years, and presently is ruled by the triarchs Lysis Desseros, Raperio Azher, and Thyris Azhad. However, Volantis, due to the end of the slave trade in Slaver's Bay, has, along with Qarth, become a center for that trade and grown even wealthier from the influx of slaves and slavers. The city suffered several slave revolts as the Mother of Dragons continued the reclamation of her empire, one of which came immediately after Daenerys seized the Iron Throne and was led by the widow of the waterfront, but all were eventually crushed. During this time, Lysis Desseros used the instability and fear in the city to vastly increase his House's influence. He has been continuously elected triarch for the last forty-nine years, and has won the love of Volantis's people, even slaves, to whom he has extended a basic charter of rights to help stop abuse. As well as making a number of popular decisions and enacting popular policies, he has shrewdly manipulated the other noble houses of Old Volantis and eliminated his enemies ruthlessly. Volantis remains a wealthy, powerful, and ancient city, and House Desseros's star is still ascendant.

RP Example: One, two, if you need more do say so and I'll find some.

Notes:
House Desseros basically controls much of Volantis, and has been cautious regarding Daenerys while she reigned. While Volantis did not free her slaves, they have been given some rights, and the city has also become friendlier to trade from Westeros and the cities in Essos that the Dragon Queen conquered. Lysis Desseros is often described as "the Tywin of Volantis", for his similarities to the late Tywin Lannister in his political maneuvering. He is still in good health and maintains a firm grip on his House and the city.

*coughcough*
Don't know if anyone saw this.


I did, and read it over. It's a pretty nice application, but I do have one little thing--in my application, I mentioned that Volantis came to Garlan's aid to suppress the Hightower Revolt, since Garlan's mother was a Volantene noble. In return, we granted them 500 merchant ships (see application for explanation).

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Do you think Garlan isn't going to employ a food taster? He's going to slip in paranoia in three . . . two . . . one . . .

Just kidding! But really, if something dramatic happens at this stressful time in his life, he'll snap. I'm not joking. I would classify him as mentally unstable.
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Postby Arlye Austros » Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:05 am

I want the two sons of Vardis to get into a Crownlander Keep. Should I RP it all by myself, have it interacted with Givious or maybe OP?
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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Senkaku » Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:50 am

Five hundred ships?

Damn. Well then. I expect I'll need to edit my fleet to account for that, seeing as House Desseros probably took a number of those.
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