Age of Glory II, 1640 Alternate History RP OOC/Signups OPEN

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

Well I joined your trade league so at least we're trade friends.

(Sorry, I am new)

What country are you?

Maharo is Brittany

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

(Sorry, I am new)

What country are you?

Maharo is Brittany

Cool! How many nations are in my our (sharing is caring) trade league?

[Conchabira]

First: I will have a large-ish post up tomorrow.

Second:can I advertise this thread?

Third: whats the massive blue blob country in west Africa?

First: bump

Second: the only reason I reserved the post was so that I could finish it in the morning as I was working on it late at night and it will be finished today.

Third: @Kahlen, I plan to accept Brittany's alliance offer, improve relations with the two Sicily's, write some letters to the HRE about this anti-HRE coalition, do some military tactic stuff and a little colonizing/exploration. Also what month is it now as I have lost track at how time moves in this RP.

Fourth: I am just wondering would Burgundy have a lot of artillery or maybe have a artillery modifier as when I was looking up the history of burgundy I discovered that at the battle of Nancy in 1477 the Burgundians had a very large amount of artillery for the time, they possessed 30 cannons and 3,000 men so that ratio is 10 cannons per 1,000 men meanwhile most armies at the beginning of the 17th century only used two cannons per 1,000 men. It also states on wikipedia that in the Hundreds year war the Burgundians rapidly advanced artillery tactics and that during the Hundreds year war the Burgundians maintained the largest and most powerful artillery force in Europe.

Fifth: Just stating for realism that I do not believe that both the English and Russians will be joining this anti-HRE coalition as the Russians are land locked and do not border the HRE and have problems of their own back home that are much more important such as Novgorod, the Crimean's and some religious turmoil. The English are focused more on conquering Scotland and Ireland and would never work together with France and would not attack one of the only other Protestant powers in the world at the time.

[United Shilla]

Will you all willingly become my Vassal?

Probably not, too far away and too weak. Plus, an emperor does not fit under a king (or, in the Venetian case, a duke)

Mighty small "Empire" you gut there. ;P

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

Probably not, too far away and too weak. Plus, an emperor does not fit under a king (or, in the Venetian case, a duke)

Mighty small "Empire" you gut there. ;P

Size doesn't matter. It is, by all means, the Roman Empire until it is entirely destroyed.

[Altito Asmoro]

You need to be converted to Muslim first.

I don't want to give up my lands once I get married....


How about Judaism? It is a good middle-man, so to speak. Quite similar to Islam in this time period, I don't have to give up my empire to my husband, and everyone lives happily ever after?

You know what?

I'll just invade you instead

[United Shilla]

Mighty small "Empire" you gut there. ;P

Size doesn't matter. It is, by all means, the Roman Empire until it is entirely destroyed.

From what I hear, some Germans like calling themselves the Roman Empire. "Empire" must be a cheap word in the West, no? XD

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

Size doesn't matter. It is, by all means, the Roman Empire until it is entirely destroyed.

From what I hear, some Germans like calling themselves the Roman Empire. "Empire" must be a cheap word in the West, no? XD

The problem here is that Byzantium has existed since the actual Roman Empire, whereas the not-Holy, not-Roman, and not-Imperial HRE had no claim.

[United Shilla]

From what I hear, some Germans like calling themselves the Roman Empire. "Empire" must be a cheap word in the West, no? XD

The problem here is that Byzantium has existed since the actual Roman Empire, whereas the not-Holy, not-Roman, and not-Imperial HRE had no claim.

Maybe I'll start calling myself Imperial Silla instead of United Silla. After all, we Conquered Three kingdoms and a Confederation to get to where we are today.

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

I don't want to give up my lands once I get married....


How about Judaism? It is a good middle-man, so to speak. Quite similar to Islam in this time period, I don't have to give up my empire to my husband, and everyone lives happily ever after?

You know what?

I'll just invade you instead

You might want to solidify your hold on the non-Muslim and non-Turkish parts of you empire....which is most of your empire. Egyptians, Levantines, Bedouins, Berbers, Armenians, and Greeks all exist outside of the Turks, and everything you own in Europe is Orthodox. The revolt potential is quite high when all of this is factored in along with the fact that your army is based on enslaving minorities.

[Puerto Tyranus]

Size doesn't matter. It is, by all means, the Roman Empire until it is entirely destroyed.

From what I hear, some Germans like calling themselves the Roman Empire. "Empire" must be a cheap word in the West, no? XD

Yeah, no. We've had 4. Roman, Holy Roman, British, and French.
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Of course, you have the Mughal Empire, the Ottoman Empire, Imperial Japan, the Mongol Empire, the Maratha Empire, Whatever you wanna call the Chinese Empire, three Empires in Indonesia, and I'm sure many more.

The problem with yours and my line of reasoning is in the understanding of the context of the word "Empire", as many nations have been called that in their translations, but it is highly doubtful that they mean the same thing (Except in Europe where they all had the same meaning post-Rome)

Edit* AH! And you guys got our Ptolmaic and Seleucid Empires, so it's closer than that I suppose.

[Puerto Tyranus]

From what I hear, some Germans like calling themselves the Roman Empire. "Empire" must be a cheap word in the West, no? XD

The problem here is that Byzantium has existed since the actual Roman Empire, whereas the not-Holy, not-Roman, and not-Imperial HRE had no claim.

And neither do the Byzantines, being not Roman, not Holy, and no longer Imperial.

Seeing as I am Rome, I get carte blanche to name Empires, so, w00t! Just become defenders of the faith and get a fancy new title!

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

The problem here is that Byzantium has existed since the actual Roman Empire, whereas the not-Holy, not-Roman, and not-Imperial HRE had no claim.

And neither do the Byzantines, being not Roman, not Holy, and no longer Imperial.

All 3 of what you just said are wrong if you ask anyone from the time period. The Byzantines hold patriarchal power (holy, not even in the title), they are the continuation of the Roman Empire (Rome and Empire), and this includes the forgotten fact that an Empire is not lost until it is destroyed, whereas this timeline has them only weakened. If the HRE, a Germanic quasi-federation with internal religious turmoil, were to shrink down to a single city, it would still be the HRE until someone else captured it.

[Puerto Tyranus]

And neither do the Byzantines, being not Roman, not Holy, and no longer Imperial.

All 3 of what you just said are wrong if you ask anyone from the time period. The Byzantines hold patriarchal power (holy, not even in the title), they are the continuation of the Roman Empire (Rome and Empire), and this includes the forgotten fact that an Empire is not lost until it is destroyed, whereas this timeline has them only weakened. If the HRE, a Germanic quasi-federation with internal religious turmoil, were to shrink down to a single city, it would still be the HRE until someone else captured it.

Ah, but as Pope, I see you as Greek heathens that are trying to fight true Rome from lands that not longer hold your own namesake. Ergo, not Roman, holy, or imperial in my Biased Character's view.

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

All 3 of what you just said are wrong if you ask anyone from the time period. The Byzantines hold patriarchal power (holy, not even in the title), they are the continuation of the Roman Empire (Rome and Empire), and this includes the forgotten fact that an Empire is not lost until it is destroyed, whereas this timeline has them only weakened. If the HRE, a Germanic quasi-federation with internal religious turmoil, were to shrink down to a single city, it would still be the HRE until someone else captured it.

Ah, but as Pope, I see you as Greek heathens that are trying to fight true Rome from lands that not longer hold your own namesake. Ergo, not Roman, holy, or imperial in my Biased Character's view.

I'm still hoping 2 things:

1) the Athenians attack the Pope in their zealous rage, not knowing he is the Pope

2) the Ottomans get as many revolts as really should've happened by now, owning so many minorities and enslaving them all. If the Athenians, mostly Greek and mostly Orthodox, revolt due to a very small Catholic Catalan population, then the Ottomans should have a bit of trouble.

[Puerto Tyranus]

See, this is a lot like that trying to reason with my Bishop, it isn't going to work, because the Character's you are trying to convince, are already convinced that you are Satan-spawn trying to bring darkness to hearts of man and shattered the already-weakened remains of Christendom.

I can't have my character's believe you are legitimate, because it sets a precedence for allowing heathen and heretical governments to exist legitimately, taking away our perma-casus belli on everyone.

[United Shilla]

From what I hear, some Germans like calling themselves the Roman Empire. "Empire" must be a cheap word in the West, no? XD

Yeah, no. We've had 4. Roman, Holy Roman, British, and French.
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Of course, you have the Mughal Empire, the Ottoman Empire, Imperial Japan, the Mongol Empire, the Maratha Empire, Whatever you wanna call the Chinese Empire, three Empires in Indonesia, and I'm sure many more.

The problem with yours and my line of reasoning is in the understanding of the context of the word "Empire", as many nations have been called that in their translations, but it is highly doubtful that they mean the same thing (Except in Europe where they all had the same meaning post-Rome)

Edit* AH! And you guys got our Ptolmaic and Seleucid Empires, so it's closer than that I suppose.

It's called the Celestial Empire, the Ming. The meaning I am using is traditional. You should read the back and forth from the start my friend, I'm merely spitting on Byzantine Pride.

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

See, this is a lot like that trying to reason with my Bishop, it isn't going to work, because the Character's you are trying to convince, are already convinced that you are Satan-spawn trying to bring darkness to hearts of man and shattered the already-weakened remains of Christendom.

I can't have my character's believe you are legitimate, because it sets a precedence for allowing heathen and heretical governments to exist legitimately, taking away our perma-casus belli on everyone.

I won't ask you to do that, all I need to do is get the Pope to dislike the Athenian rebels, and to attack the Turks who threaten Catholics as much as they do Orthodoxy.

[United Shilla]

See, this is a lot like that trying to reason with my Bishop, it isn't going to work, because the Character's you are trying to convince, are already convinced that you are Satan-spawn trying to bring darkness to hearts of man and shattered the already-weakened remains of Christendom.

I can't have my character's believe you are legitimate, because it sets a precedence for allowing heathen and heretical governments to exist legitimately, taking away our perma-casus belli on everyone.

This is why Europe is the Hellhole of the RP.

[Puerto Tyranus]

Ah, but as Pope, I see you as Greek heathens that are trying to fight true Rome from lands that not longer hold your own namesake. Ergo, not Roman, holy, or imperial in my Biased Character's view.

I'm still hoping 2 things:

1) the Athenians attack the Pope in their zealous rage, not knowing he is the Pope

2) the Ottomans get as many revolts as really should've happened by now, owning so many minorities and enslaving them all. If the Athenians, mostly Greek and mostly Orthodox, revolt due to a very small Catholic Catalan population, then the Ottomans should have a bit of trouble.

1) He isn't the Pope, it's rather clear right now. His Holiness The Pope; Bishop Of Rome And Vicar Of Jesus Christ; Successor Of St. Peter, Prince Of The Apostles; Supreme Pontiff Of The Universal Church; Patriarch Of The West; Servant Of The Servants Of God; Primate Of Italy; Archbishop And Metropolitan Of The Roman Province;Sovereign Of the Papal States, is leaving Florence. You have an overzealous Bishop heading your way.

2) I want to see a crap-ton of revolts too, showing people why wars in this time were so difficult to pursue. There is a reason I did not oust the Florentine King, after all.

See, this is a lot like that trying to reason with my Bishop, it isn't going to work, because the Character's you are trying to convince, are already convinced that you are Satan-spawn trying to bring darkness to hearts of man and shattered the already-weakened remains of Christendom.

I can't have my character's believe you are legitimate, because it sets a precedence for allowing heathen and heretical governments to exist legitimately, taking away our perma-casus belli on everyone.

I won't ask you to do that, all I need to do is get the Pope to dislike the Athenian rebels, and to attack the Turks who threaten Catholics as much as they do Orthodoxy.

So all you have to do is get them to kill the Bishop. Begin trying to convince Alouite!

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

If Venice is as influential to the Pope as they claim, then the Catholics should care quite a bit. Besides being a competing trading power, the Ottomans pretty much border Venice. As a hostile state across the narrow Adriatic, they should focus on getting rid of the Turks first and foremost.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

If Venice is as influential to the Pope as they claim, then the Catholics should care quite a bit. Besides being a competing trading power, the Ottomans pretty much border Venice. As a hostile state across the narrow Adriatic, they should focus on getting rid of the Turks first and foremost.

What?

Venice as influential as the Pope?

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

If Venice is as influential to the Pope as they claim, then the Catholics should care quite a bit. Besides being a competing trading power, the Ottomans pretty much border Venice. As a hostile state across the narrow Adriatic, they should focus on getting rid of the Turks first and foremost.

What?

Venice as influential as the Pope?

No, TO the pope

[Puerto Tyranus]

If Venice is as influential to the Pope as they claim, then the Catholics should care quite a bit. Besides being a competing trading power, the Ottomans pretty much border Venice. As a hostile state across the narrow Adriatic, they should focus on getting rid of the Turks first and foremost.

Still, I think the real problem with your problem trying to get me to help with your problem, is that my Pope is on a years-long journey travelling to other European powers in the West and attempting to form a Catholic League.

Your best, and most believable, hope is to send another letter.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

What?

Venice as influential as the Pope?

No, TO the pope

Ah ok. Yea, I was going to say that they were not as influential as the Pope; he can just excommunicate Venice which would basically place a de facto economic embargo (as no Catholic nation would be able to trade with them)