2016: A World Divided (Open, OOC/Sign Up)

[Roski]

nam, I did a thing in your embassy thread.

I know.
Also, Roski,
what would be the GDP of Capitalist Vietnam?

Anywhere from 200-300 billion

[Zatak]

again post your app Vietnam and we will talk about it

[Mailam]

If we based our alt his on realism, then Germany should be greatly shrunk in size. And Korea would not be fully unified. etc etc.

I'm still waiting to see Germany's history. I don't see what is wrong with the reunification.

Germany's history is on the first page, and there's nothing wrong with reunification. It's just that in real life, China would never allow an American ally on its doorstep.

[Republic of Vietnam]

again post your app Vietnam and we will talk about it

Working on it.
It going to be hard for a leader.
You don't see many leaders who follow what I want in the nation of Vietnam in irl Vietnam.
The ones I can think of are all dead or super old.

[Roski]

I'm still waiting to see Germany's history. I don't see what is wrong with the reunification.

Germany's history is on the first page, and there's nothing wrong with reunification. It's just that in real life, China would never allow an American ally on its doorstep.

Lets see, American ally = trade or crazy psycho path = US soldiers everywhere


Its a simple choice, in reality.

[Mailam]

Germany's history is on the first page, and there's nothing wrong with reunification. It's just that in real life, China would never allow an American ally on its doorstep.

Lets see, American ally = trade or crazy psycho path = US soldiers everywhere


Its a simple choice, in reality.

Lets see, China already trades with both North and South Korea, and North Korea doesn't have US bases on its soil. Its even simpler, in reality.

[Republic of Vietnam]

Name of Nation: Republic of Vietnam
Population: (the population of your nation estimate)90 million
Military Branches:
Army of the Republic of Viet Nam (ARVN; Vietnamese: Lục quân Việt Nam Cộng hòa)
Vietnam Air Force – VNAF (Vietnamese: Không lực Việt Nam Cộng hòa – KLVNCH)
Republic of Vietnam Navy - VNN (Vietnamese: Hải quân Việt Nam Cộng hòa - HQVNCH)
Country and Territories (Preferably a map): Just Vietnam
Head of State: WIP
Head of Government: WIP
Government Style: Presidential republic
Capital: Saigon
GDP as of 2014: 279 billion Dollars
Main import: Refined Petroleum (9.2%), Gold (2.3%), Telephones (2.3%), Hot-Rolled Iron (2.2%), and Integrated Circuits (1.9%)
Main export: Crude Petroleum (6.7%), Broadcasting Equipment (6.6%), Leather Footwear (4.1%), Rice (3.2%), and Other Furniture (3.0%)
Active number of soldiers: Around 1 million
Soldiers In Reserve: 2 million
Primary Weapon (Rifle): M16 Assault Rifle and XM8 in limited numbers
Number Of Tanks: 214 M41 Walker Bulldog light tank, 190 M48 tanks, 300 M60 Pattons, 200 Leopard 2A6
Number of jet fighters: 167 F-5s, 43 F-15s, 110 F-16s, 98 F-4s
Number of Helicopters: 350 Bell UH-1 Iroquois, 120 CH-47 Chinook, 58 UH-60 Black Hawk, 70 Bell AH-1 Cobra, and 22 Boeing AH-64 Apache

Number of Artillery: 2,500 M101 howitzers, 670 M114 155 mm howitzer, and 670 M109 howitzer

Number of Naval Vessels: 2 Edsall-class destroyer escort , 3 Niteroi-class frigate, 5 Admirable-class minesweepers, 7 Casco-class frigates, 2 Inhaúma-class corvette, 1 Barroso class- corvette(Ordered), 8 Landing Ship Support (Large), 5 Landing Ship Infantry (Large), 2 Hospital Ships, 5 Landing Ship Medium, 6 Landing Ship Tank, 16 Landing Craft Utility, 1 Achelous-class repair ship, 17 Armored Troop Carrier, 1 Repair, Berthing and Messing Barge, 4 Grajaú-class Patrol boat, 7 TT-400TP gunboat,6 Sturgeon-class submarine, 3 Kidd-class destroyers, 2 Spruance-class destroyers, 4 Bronstein-class frigates, 2 Tang-class submarines, 5 Type 209 submarines, 1 Type 214 submarine and 2 Sigma-class corvette

RP Sample: You know me
History:
WIP

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[Jordslag]

So... Pretty much the only territories it would make sense for the Ottoman Empire to start out with is Turkey, North Cyprus, Azerbaijan, Syria, send Northern Iraq. Anything else would bring Intervention.

[Republic of Vietnam]

again post your app Vietnam and we will talk about it

Did it.
Still WIP.

[Mailam]

So... Pretty much the only territories it would make sense for the Ottoman Empire to start out with is Turkey, North Cyprus, Azerbaijan, Syria, send Northern Iraq. Anything else would bring Intervention.

Realistically, Azerbaijan and Syria would bring intervention from Iran. North Cyprus is Turkish, and Iraq in this RP has basically collapsed, so they are easily annexable.
But as I've said, if we go by these realistic constraints, then other nations with alt-his borders will have to be reassessed.

You know what? Fuck it, we'll let Papait figure it out lol

[Jordslag]

So... Pretty much the only territories it would make sense for the Ottoman Empire to start out with is Turkey, North Cyprus, Azerbaijan, Syria, send Northern Iraq. Anything else would bring Intervention.

Realistically, Azerbaijan and Syria would bring intervention from Iran. North Cyprus is Turkish, and Iraq in this RP has basically collapsed, so they are easily annexable.
But as I've said, if we go by these realistic constraints, then other nations with alt-his borders will have to be reassessed.

You know what? Fuck it, we'll let Papait figure it out lol

But Germany and Korea are nothing like the Middle East... And if we let him figure it out, he might as well be taking the GAR too.

[Mailam]

Realistically, Azerbaijan and Syria would bring intervention from Iran. North Cyprus is Turkish, and Iraq in this RP has basically collapsed, so they are easily annexable.
But as I've said, if we go by these realistic constraints, then other nations with alt-his borders will have to be reassessed.

You know what? Fuck it, we'll let Papait figure it out lol

But Germany and Korea are nothing like the Middle East... And if we let him figure it out, he might as well be taking the GAR too.

Every country, whether it be Germany, Korea, or Turkey, has constraints that impede their expansion. You know what, I'll talk with Papait and figure something out.

[Marsisian]

I think I've got something with the history. Let me see.

[Rhand]

Name of Nation: Israel
Population: 7,900,000
Military Branches: IDF Ground Forces, Israeli Air Force, Israeli Navy
Country and Territories (Preferably a map): The current borders of the State of Israel
Head of State: Reuven Rivlin
Head of Government: Binyamin "Bibi" Netanyahu
Government Style: Jewish Democracy
Capital: Yerushalayim (Jerusalem)
GDP as of 2014: $286.840 billion
Main import: Raw materials
Main export: High technology products
Active number of soldiers: 176,500
Soldiers In Reserve: 445,000
Primary Weapon (Rifle): M16
Number Of Tanks: 3,870
Number of jet fighters: 243
Number of Helicopters: 143
Number of Artillery: 1,144
Number of Naval Vessels: 110
RP Sample:
History:
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[Cyllea]

So... Pretty much the only territories it would make sense for the Ottoman Empire to start out with is Turkey, North Cyprus, Azerbaijan, Syria, send Northern Iraq. Anything else would bring Intervention.

Realistically, Azerbaijan and Syria would bring intervention from Iran. North Cyprus is Turkish, and Iraq in this RP has basically collapsed, so they are easily annexable.
But as I've said, if we go by these realistic constraints, then other nations with alt-his borders will have to be reassessed.

You know what? Fuck it, we'll let Papait figure it out lol

>alternate history
>debating realism

[Zatak]

Realistically, Azerbaijan and Syria would bring intervention from Iran. North Cyprus is Turkish, and Iraq in this RP has basically collapsed, so they are easily annexable.
But as I've said, if we go by these realistic constraints, then other nations with alt-his borders will have to be reassessed.

You know what? Fuck it, we'll let Papait figure it out lol

>alternate history
>debating realism

it is a realistic AH

[Papait]

Realistically, Azerbaijan and Syria would bring intervention from Iran. North Cyprus is Turkish, and Iraq in this RP has basically collapsed, so they are easily annexable.
But as I've said, if we go by these realistic constraints, then other nations with alt-his borders will have to be reassessed.

You know what? Fuck it, we'll let Papait figure it out lol

But Germany and Korea are nothing like the Middle East... And if we let him figure it out, he might as well be taking the GAR too.

well I do not want azerbaijan really, but ill take it if I don't get the others, because I need reasonable size to get the Ottaman in my name.

Bulgaria joins the Republic diplomaticly and will therefore not spark intervention, albeit the other powers would certainly not like it.
Syria I guess we all agree to that i can kinda grab.
Lebanon I also get through diplomacy.
And north cyprus I'll have then, again through easy diplomacy because the government there is basicly a puppet allready.
Then I do still want Haifa, this is very important to me.
This I could have also gotten diplomaticly, as the israelis would be ready to give up haifa, as it holds little interest to them, and the majority there is arab.
They would likely see the Ottomans as a good nation to control these areas (haifa, Lebanon)that would likely supress extremism and lower hostilities to Israel.

Lebanon And Bulgaria would likely be happy to join because of stability and better economy it brings.

I will not take Azerbaijan as it would mean I have territory not connected with the rest of the republic.

I will take Turkey, North Cyprus, Bulgaria, Haifa, Lebanon, Syria and whatever is left of north iraq

I would be willing to give up Haifa though for the west bank, but I would rather not have both

[Mailam]

But Germany and Korea are nothing like the Middle East... And if we let him figure it out, he might as well be taking the GAR too.

well I do not want azerbaijan really, but ill take it if I don't get the others, because I need reasonable size to get the Ottaman in my name.

Bulgaria joins the Republic diplomaticly and will therefore not spark intervention, albeit the other powers would certainly not like it.
Syria I guess we all agree to that i can kinda grab.
Lebanon I also get through diplomacy.
And north cyprus I'll have then, again through easy diplomacy because the government there is basicly a puppet allready.
Then I do still want Haifa, this is very important to me.
This I could have also gotten diplomaticly, as the israelis would be ready to give up haifa, as it holds little interest to them, and the majority there is arab.
They would likely see the Ottomans as a good nation to control these areas (haifa, Lebanon)that would likely supress extremism and lower hostilities to Israel.

Lebanon And Bulgaria would likely be happy to join because of stability and better economy it brings.

I will not take Azerbaijan as it would mean I have territory not connected with the rest of the republic.

I will take Turkey, North Cyprus, Bulgaria, Haifa, Lebanon, Syria and whatever is left of north iraq

I would be willing to give up Haifa though for the west bank, but I would rather not have both

Israel applicant already took Haifa, but I'm fine with Turkey, North Cyprus, Bulgaria, Lebanon, Syria, and Sunni Iraq

Others, what say you?

[Papait]

well I do not want azerbaijan really, but ill take it if I don't get the others, because I need reasonable size to get the Ottaman in my name.

Bulgaria joins the Republic diplomaticly and will therefore not spark intervention, albeit the other powers would certainly not like it.
Syria I guess we all agree to that i can kinda grab.
Lebanon I also get through diplomacy.
And north cyprus I'll have then, again through easy diplomacy because the government there is basicly a puppet allready.
Then I do still want Haifa, this is very important to me.
This I could have also gotten diplomaticly, as the israelis would be ready to give up haifa, as it holds little interest to them, and the majority there is arab.
They would likely see the Ottomans as a good nation to control these areas (haifa, Lebanon)that would likely supress extremism and lower hostilities to Israel.

Lebanon And Bulgaria would likely be happy to join because of stability and better economy it brings.

I will not take Azerbaijan as it would mean I have territory not connected with the rest of the republic.

I will take Turkey, North Cyprus, Bulgaria, Haifa, Lebanon, Syria and whatever is left of north iraq

I would be willing to give up Haifa though for the west bank, but I would rather not have both

Israel applicant already took Haifa, but I'm fine with Turkey, North Cyprus, Bulgaria, Lebanon, Syria, and Sunni Iraq

Others, what say you?

Then may I also have West Bank?
I want at least one palestinian territory and as I do not recognise Gaza as a palestinian territory I would like to have West Bank

[Mailam]

Israel applicant already took Haifa, but I'm fine with Turkey, North Cyprus, Bulgaria, Lebanon, Syria, and Sunni Iraq

Others, what say you?

Then may I also have West Bank?
I want at least one palestinian territory and as I do not recognise Gaza as a palestinian territory I would like to have West Bank

Might want to add Jordan too.....

[Papait]

Then may I also have West Bank?
I want at least one palestinian territory and as I do not recognise Gaza as a palestinian territory I would like to have West Bank

Might want to add Jordan too.....

well Jordan would not likely be joined in diplomacy.
And since the rest thinks that annexation would provoke intervention I will not take Jordan

[Marsisian]

I'm fine with every territory he wants

[Cyllea]

Would him taking Sunni Iraq create a border between the GAR and the Ottomans?
Interesting.

[Roski]

So... Pretty much the only territories it would make sense for the Ottoman Empire to start out with is Turkey, North Cyprus, Azerbaijan, Syria, send Northern Iraq. Anything else would bring Intervention.

No, Turkey, North Cyprus, Syria, and Northern Iraq. Azerbaijan is also a former Soviet Republic.

[Marsisian]

Name of Nation: Republic of Vietnam
Population: (the population of your nation estimate)90 million
Military Branches:
Army of the Republic of Viet Nam (ARVN; Vietnamese: Lục quân Việt Nam Cộng hòa)
Vietnam Air Force – VNAF (Vietnamese: Không lực Việt Nam Cộng hòa – KLVNCH)
Republic of Vietnam Navy - VNN (Vietnamese: Hải quân Việt Nam Cộng hòa - HQVNCH)
Country and Territories (Preferably a map): Just Vietnam
Head of State: WIP
Head of Government: WIP
Government Style: Presidential republic
Capital: Saigon
GDP as of 2014: 279 billion Dollars
Main import: Refined Petroleum (9.2%), Gold (2.3%), Telephones (2.3%), Hot-Rolled Iron (2.2%), and Integrated Circuits (1.9%)
Main export: Crude Petroleum (6.7%), Broadcasting Equipment (6.6%), Leather Footwear (4.1%), Rice (3.2%), and Other Furniture (3.0%)
Active number of soldiers: Around 1 million
Soldiers In Reserve: 2 million
Primary Weapon (Rifle): M16 Assault Rifle
Number Of Tanks: 214 M41 Walker Bulldog light tank, 190 M48 tanks, 300 M60 Pattons
Number of jet fighters: 167 F-5s, 43 F-15s, 110 F-16s, 98 F-4s
Number of Helicopters: 350 Bell UH-1 Iroquois, 120 CH-47 Chinook, 58 UH-60 Black Hawk, 70 Bell AH-1 Cobra, and 22 Boeing AH-64 Apache

Number of Artillery: 2,500 M101 howitzers, 670 M114 155 mm howitzer, and 670 M109 howitzer

Number of Naval Vessels: 2 Edsall-class destroyer escort , 3 Niteroi-class frigate, 7 Casco-class frigates, 2 Inhaúma-class corvette, 1 Barroso class- corvette(Ordered), 8 Landing Ship Support (Large), 5 Landing Ship Infantry (Large), 2 Hospital Ships, 5 Landing Ship Medium, 6 Landing Ship Tank, 16 Landing Craft Utility, 1 Achelous-class repair ship, 17 Armored Troop Carrier, 1 Repair, Berthing and Messing Barge, 4 Grajaú-class Patrol boat, 7 TT-400TP gunboat, 3 Kidd-class destroyers, 2 Spruance-class destroyers, 4 Bronstein-class frigates, 2 Tang-class submarines, and 2 Sigma-class corvette

RP Sample: You know me
History:
WIP

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You know, your horribly outdated military equipment amuses me.