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Marsisian
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Postby Marsisian » Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:13 pm

Ptolemais wrote:
Marsisian wrote:Germany is more than capable of sending a nuke to Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, and more.


Um, I still don't think Germany is allowed to have nukes, what with WW2 and all... :unsure:

I do think the West would have wanted the Germans to rearm to provide extra nuclear weapons in the case of a Soviet invasion or nuclear strike.
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Postby Marsisian » Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:13 pm

Roski wrote:
Marsisian wrote:Yes.


Make sure when he asks for more, to put "No Refunds"

Yep.
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Postby Roski » Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:14 pm

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Great! The total of 0 nukes owned by Germany!

Nuclear deterrence, my Fraulein.

The whole world knows you don't have Nuclear weapons.
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Postby Ptolemais » Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:14 pm

Wait, is Germany a member of NATO in this AH?

Also, Israel nuking Germany would be much more damaging than Germany nuking Israel. Sure, it would annihilate Israel, but they aren't all that strong. Nukes landing in Berlin, Munich, Cologne... that would send one of the world's strongest powers back into the stone age...
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Postby Roski » Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:15 pm

Marsisian wrote:
Ptolemais wrote:
Um, I still don't think Germany is allowed to have nukes, what with WW2 and all... :unsure:

I do think the West would have wanted the Germans to rearm to provide extra nuclear weapons in the case of a Soviet invasion or nuclear strike.

There are nuclear weapons on German soil, but Germany has to ask very, very, very nicely to use them.
I'm some 17 year old psuedo-libertarian who leans to the left in social terms, is fiercly right economically, and centrist in foriegn policy. Unapologetically Pro-American, Pro-NATO, even if we do fuck up (a lot). If you can find real sources that disagree with me I will change my opinion. Call me IHOP cause I'm always flipping.

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Postby Roski » Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:15 pm

Ptolemais wrote:Wait, is Germany a member of NATO in this AH?

Also, Israel nuking Germany would be much more damaging than Germany nuking Israel. Sure, it would annihilate Israel, but they aren't all that strong. Nukes landing in Berlin, Munich, Cologne... that would send one of the world's strongest powers back into the stone age...


One well placed NEMP would send the entire EU in the stone age.
I'm some 17 year old psuedo-libertarian who leans to the left in social terms, is fiercly right economically, and centrist in foriegn policy. Unapologetically Pro-American, Pro-NATO, even if we do fuck up (a lot). If you can find real sources that disagree with me I will change my opinion. Call me IHOP cause I'm always flipping.

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I am the Federal Republic of Roski. I have a population slightly over 256 million with a GDP of 13.92-14.25 trillion. My gross domestic product increases each year between .4%-.1.4%. I have a military with 4.58 million total people, with 1.58 million of those active. My defense spending is 598.5 billion, or 4.2% of my Gross Domestic Product.

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Postby Marsisian » Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:15 pm

Roski wrote:
Marsisian wrote:Nuclear deterrence, my Fraulein.

The whole world knows you don't have Nuclear weapons.

The whole world knows I do.
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Postby Marsisian » Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:16 pm

Roski wrote:
Marsisian wrote:I do think the West would have wanted the Germans to rearm to provide extra nuclear weapons in the case of a Soviet invasion or nuclear strike.

There are nuclear weapons on German soil, but Germany has to ask very, very, very nicely to use them.

No we don't. I mean, we have to ask to attack people with them, but in self-defense we probably can without asking.
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Postby Mailam » Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:17 pm

Marsisian wrote:
Roski wrote:The whole world knows you don't have Nuclear weapons.

The whole world knows I do.

You DO?!?! :o

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Postby Ptolemais » Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:17 pm

Marsisian wrote:No we don't. I mean, we have to ask to attack people with them, but in self-defense we probably can without asking.


Are you a member of NATO?
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Postby Roski » Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:18 pm

Marsisian wrote:
Roski wrote:There are nuclear weapons on German soil, but Germany has to ask very, very, very nicely to use them.

No we don't. I mean, we have to ask to attack people with them, but in self-defense we probably can without asking.

No, because the US fires them, not you.
I'm some 17 year old psuedo-libertarian who leans to the left in social terms, is fiercly right economically, and centrist in foriegn policy. Unapologetically Pro-American, Pro-NATO, even if we do fuck up (a lot). If you can find real sources that disagree with me I will change my opinion. Call me IHOP cause I'm always flipping.

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Postby Zerinfriom » Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:18 pm

I know that this is way of topic, but does anyone know of any threads about warships besides Your nations Warships, MKII because I am hated there for some reason :/ and I want a place too look at, and share my ships.
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Postby Mailam » Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:19 pm

Zerinfriom wrote:I know that this is way of topic, but does anyone know of any threads about warships besides Your Nations Warships II because I am hated there for some reason :/ and I want a place too look at, and share my ships.

Ummm...Your Nations Warships I?

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Postby Zerinfriom » Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:21 pm

Mailam wrote:
Zerinfriom wrote:I know that this is way of topic, but does anyone know of any threads about warships besides Your Nations Warships II because I am hated there for some reason :/ and I want a place too look at, and share my ships.

Ummm...Your Nations Warships I?

No they started the second one because the first one is dead.
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Postby Roski » Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:21 pm

Zerinfriom wrote:I know that this is way of topic, but does anyone know of any threads about warships besides Your nations Warships, MKII because I am hated there for some reason :/ and I want a place too look at, and share my ships.


Just because they don't like your designs doesn't mean they hate you.

You really need to cut out with these accusations, you are starting to sound like Soviet Arkham.
I'm some 17 year old psuedo-libertarian who leans to the left in social terms, is fiercly right economically, and centrist in foriegn policy. Unapologetically Pro-American, Pro-NATO, even if we do fuck up (a lot). If you can find real sources that disagree with me I will change my opinion. Call me IHOP cause I'm always flipping.

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I am the Federal Republic of Roski. I have a population slightly over 256 million with a GDP of 13.92-14.25 trillion. My gross domestic product increases each year between .4%-.1.4%. I have a military with 4.58 million total people, with 1.58 million of those active. My defense spending is 598.5 billion, or 4.2% of my Gross Domestic Product.

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Postby Kargintina » Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:22 pm

Roski wrote:
The Vaktovian Empire wrote:
How did they do that?


Attacking something on their soil, and Israel Bullshittly jacked some equipment.

Just making a correction

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Postby Marsisian » Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:22 pm

Ptolemais wrote:
Marsisian wrote:No we don't. I mean, we have to ask to attack people with them, but in self-defense we probably can without asking.


Are you a member of NATO?

Of course I am, that's a ridiculous question.
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Postby Marsisian » Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:22 pm

Roski wrote:
Marsisian wrote:No we don't. I mean, we have to ask to attack people with them, but in self-defense we probably can without asking.

No, because the US fires them, not you.

No, because we have some.
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Postby Zerinfriom » Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:23 pm

Roski wrote:
Zerinfriom wrote:I know that this is way of topic, but does anyone know of any threads about warships besides Your nations Warships, MKII because I am hated there for some reason :/ and I want a place too look at, and share my ships.


Just because they don't like your designs doesn't mean they hate you.

You really need to cut out with these accusations, you are starting to sound like Soviet Arkham.

1. I know the difference. But all the did was laugh, and when I asked for help making them better, well they laughed :/
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Postby Roski » Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:23 pm

Marsisian wrote:
Roski wrote:No, because the US fires them, not you.

No, because we have some.


What in gods name? I jumped on Zerin for unrealism, would you like that same bullshit?

Because there is no way in hell Germany is allowed to have its own nuclear weapons.
I'm some 17 year old psuedo-libertarian who leans to the left in social terms, is fiercly right economically, and centrist in foriegn policy. Unapologetically Pro-American, Pro-NATO, even if we do fuck up (a lot). If you can find real sources that disagree with me I will change my opinion. Call me IHOP cause I'm always flipping.

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Postby Marsisian » Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:24 pm

Roski wrote:
Marsisian wrote:No, because we have some.


What in gods name? I jumped on Zerin for unrealism, would you like that same bullshit?

Because there is no way in hell Germany is allowed to have its own nuclear weapons.

Let's just postpone this whole thing until ZATAK comes back. Then we'll see what he thinks.
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Postby Kargintina » Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:25 pm

Ptolemais wrote:
Roski wrote:
Israel DOES have nuclear weapons


Of course, but they aren't going to use them on their future lan- I mean Palestine :lol2:

Um, I find it funny how you unintentionally put my RL name then said you mean Palestine :p

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Postby Mailam » Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:25 pm

Zerinfriom wrote:
Mailam wrote:Ummm...Your Nations Warships I?

No they started the second one because the first one is dead.

Then start the third one 8)

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Postby Ptolemais » Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:26 pm

Alright, did a bit of reading. Germany has signed onto the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and post WW2 agreements forbid them from possessing nuclear weapons (Treaty of Brussels, 1954).

HOWEVER, there are nuclear weapons in Germany. They are currently held by US Forces in Germany, who have to hand them over before Germany can use them. So Germany kind of has nuclear weapons, they just have to persuade the US to let them use them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany_an ... and_beyond
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Postby Roski » Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:26 pm

Ptolemais wrote:Alright, did a bit of reading. Germany has signed onto the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and post WW2 agreements forbid them from possessing nuclear weapons (Treaty of Brussels, 1954).

HOWEVER, there are nuclear weapons in Germany. They are currently held by US Forces in Germany, who have to hand them over before Germany can use them. So Germany kind of has nuclear weapons, they just have to persuade the US to let them use them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany_an ... and_beyond


I already said that :)

But thanks for backing me up ;)
I'm some 17 year old psuedo-libertarian who leans to the left in social terms, is fiercly right economically, and centrist in foriegn policy. Unapologetically Pro-American, Pro-NATO, even if we do fuck up (a lot). If you can find real sources that disagree with me I will change my opinion. Call me IHOP cause I'm always flipping.

Follow my Vex Robotics team on instagram! @3921a_vex

I am the Federal Republic of Roski. I have a population slightly over 256 million with a GDP of 13.92-14.25 trillion. My gross domestic product increases each year between .4%-.1.4%. I have a military with 4.58 million total people, with 1.58 million of those active. My defense spending is 598.5 billion, or 4.2% of my Gross Domestic Product.

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