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Postby Jordslag » Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:18 am

Ghondra wrote:My nation is Britannia. Our Military are lead by Knights, and Generals, who answer the Emperor's call during war. There is a semi-professional Military force of about 300,000 Men, and about 2 Million men in reserve, who could be deployed during times of emergency.

Wait... Are they Human?

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Postby Rob Halfordia » Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:18 am

Mnar Secundus wrote:
Rob Halfordia wrote:If you sent your entire population to fight, or even half, your nation would fall apart.

My nation is made up of loosely-unified clans which only cooperate for the really big deals. They go out to fight in small commando groups. We don't do outright battle and such, as a rule. So in times of war, our entire population fights, but by small groups.

Anyway, Jordslag and Rob, I noticed in the IC that you're planning to invade Europe. That's not possible. Even with 10/10 in tech, you'd have AD 500 technology, which means no way of crossing the ocean and no way of even having heard of anything beyond it.

Not if we cross to Greenland, then to Iceland, then to Northern Europe.
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Postby Ghondra » Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:20 am

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Ghondra wrote:My nation is Britannia. Our Military are lead by Knights, and Generals, who answer the Emperor's call during war. There is a semi-professional Military force of about 300,000 Men, and about 2 Million men in reserve, who could be deployed during times of emergency.

Wait... Are they Human?

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Postby Ptolemais » Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:22 am

Rob Halfordia wrote:]
Not if we cross to Greenland, then to Iceland, then to Northern Europe.


You're going to build a ship in Greenland? You do know how far to Europe it is from Iceland right? For any reliable voyage you'd need astronomy. Your explorers might make it over there, but it's unlikely they could return. Sending an army would cause severe casualties (scurvy, getting lost, loss of crude ships to storms) and is more likely than not to perish on the way.

It's WAY too early for Old World - New World interaction right now.
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Postby Eurasian Hegemony » Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:23 am

Don't mean to but in but was my app accepted or denied. Btw nice to see Ptolemais and Jordslag. And don't mean to jump into an argument but is there possibly a land bridge that can connect the continents could make the game more interesting.

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Postby Rob Halfordia » Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:24 am

Ptolemais wrote:
Rob Halfordia wrote:]
Not if we cross to Greenland, then to Iceland, then to Northern Europe.


You're going to build a ship in Greenland? You do know how far to Europe it is from Iceland right? For any reliable voyage you'd need astronomy. Your explorers might make it over there, but it's unlikely they could return. Sending an army would cause severe casualties (scurvy, getting lost, loss of crude ships to storms) and is more likely than not to perish on the way.

It's WAY too early for Old World - New World interaction right now.

What about an army crossing to Russia by ice in the winter? Or just across the Bering Strait.
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Postby Ptolemais » Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:26 am

Eurasian Hegemony wrote:Don't mean to but in but was my app accepted or denied. Btw nice to see Ptolemais and Jordslag. And don't mean to jump into an argument but is there possibly a land bridge that can connect the continents could make the game more interesting.


I like it the way it is. We'll have two small mini RPs going on for a while, until astronomy becomes a thing, and then we'll interact as strong empires.

As well, it would be meta right now to definitively know that Europe exists if you're in the New World. It's not like anyone has a true world map... It would be a godmod to dispatch an army to Europe on a hunch as well.

Rob Halfordia wrote:What about an army crossing to Russia by ice in the winter? Or just across the Bering Strait.


I don't know if it ices over anymore, but that's more realistic. However, it's meta to know about Europe even if you can reach Asia.
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Postby Mnar Secundus » Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:27 am

Jordslag wrote:I know. I'm planning on the ship failing. They don't know they can't get there. Also, I'm willing to trade food and other necessities for weapons with you.

I suppose we could trade, but why? Do you have anything that we would need?
Rob Halfordia wrote:What about an army crossing to Russia by ice in the winter? Or just across the Bering Strait.

That's not what you're planning ... Besides, whatever force you send would die of old age before reaching the Ural.

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Postby Rob Halfordia » Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:28 am

Ptolemais wrote:
Eurasian Hegemony wrote:Don't mean to but in but was my app accepted or denied. Btw nice to see Ptolemais and Jordslag. And don't mean to jump into an argument but is there possibly a land bridge that can connect the continents could make the game more interesting.


I like it the way it is. We'll have two small mini RPs going on for a while, until astronomy becomes a thing, and then we'll interact as strong empires.

As well, it would be meta right now to definitively know that Europe exists if you're in the New World. It's not like anyone has a true world map... It would be a godmod to dispatch an army to Europe on a hunch as well.

Rob Halfordia wrote:What about an army crossing to Russia by ice in the winter? Or just across the Bering Strait.


I don't know if it ices over anymore, but that's more realistic. However, it's meta to know about Europe even if you can reach Asia.

We know about Asia but to us we only know Europe as a mythical, perhaps non existent land we have no idea Asia is connected to it.
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Postby Ptolemais » Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:29 am

Mnar Secundus wrote:That's not what you're planning ... Besides, whatever force you send would die of old age before reaching the Ural.


Indeed. Surprisingly, travel in 500BC is not that fast...
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Postby Rob Halfordia » Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:30 am

Mnar Secundus wrote:
Jordslag wrote:I know. I'm planning on the ship failing. They don't know they can't get there. Also, I'm willing to trade food and other necessities for weapons with you.

I suppose we could trade, but why? Do you have anything that we would need?
Rob Halfordia wrote:What about an army crossing to Russia by ice in the winter? Or just across the Bering Strait.

That's not what you're planning ... Besides, whatever force you send would die of old age before reaching the Ural.

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Postby Ptolemais » Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:31 am

Rob Halfordia wrote:Elites attain middle age at an average of 160 years old.


According to your app, your middle age is between 50-100 years.
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Postby Jordslag » Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:33 am

Meh. I'm not sending an army, nor am I planning on my few colonists making it to anywhere, so what's the problem? I don't know that Europe exists, but there's obviously more land in the world. Paanngarv is just what we call the parts of the World that isn't North America.

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Postby Rob Halfordia » Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:34 am

Ptolemais wrote:
Rob Halfordia wrote:Elites attain middle age at an average of 160 years old.


According to your app, your middle age is between 50-100 years.

Middle age doesn't refer to actual middle age. It refers to the time their bodies begin to get weak and stop working, just like people.
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The Orson Empire
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Postby The Orson Empire » Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:36 am

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The Orson Empire wrote:We would be glad to have your assistance.

My first target will be Neo-Assyrian's nation. After that, I will amass a huge army and blitzkrieg the Oni.

Wait, you'd rather kill me than the other species in East Europe/Asia? I thought we were wolf bros 4 lief! :C

I never said I was going to ally with you. But do not worry about your friends in Asia. They will be taken care of eventually.

Also Neo, I have another question. How fast is time advancing?
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Postby Jordslag » Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:37 am

The Orson Empire wrote:
Neo-Assyrian Empire wrote:Wait, you'd rather kill me than the other species in East Europe/Asia? I thought we were wolf bros 4 lief! :C

I never said I was going to ally with you.

But do not worry about your friends in Asia. They will be taken care of eventually.

Meanwhile, I expand down the East Coast of the U.S.! :twisted: LONG LIVE THE FUURRADOM!

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Postby The Orson Empire » Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:38 am

Ptolemais wrote:
Rob Halfordia wrote:If you sent your entire population to fight, or even half, your nation would fall apart.


Yes, people need to be aware that wars at this time period are going to be extremely casualty heavy. With such small populations, by sending your soldiers to war you are reducing your population. War should not be taken lightly, my people will avoid it unless we can be guaranteed decisive victory or we are defending ourselves. My nation is particularly vulnerable to this, but other nations will still be affected negatively.

While the warmongers are busy killing eachother, those not at war will be advancing technologically and socially and eventually the warmongers will be left behind in every aspect but military.

Sending half your population to war would be suicide. If things went wrong, you'd be at risk of extinction, or at least your power would be diminished dramatically. Hell, you couldn't supply half your population being at war, that's too many people not farming or otherwise producing food and other supplies needed.

I would agree with this. Plus, sending half of your population to fight would be number wanking.

Even though my nation is very militaristic, our army right now is 500,000, but our population is 15 million.

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Postby Mnar Secundus » Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:38 am

Rob Halfordia wrote:
Mnar Secundus wrote:I suppose we could trade, but why? Do you have anything that we would need?

That's not what you're planning ... Besides, whatever force you send would die of old age before reaching the Ural.

Elites attain middle age at an average of 160 years old.

Your guys are a bit OP, aren't they ... Anyway, so you'd embark on a travel that will take at least dozens of years, fight through half the species in the RP and engage in a campaign that has little chances of succeeding even after all of that, just to conquer a territory that you cannot know to exist and that is barely as big as your present one (and much smaller when we consider only the parts where your guys could actually exist)?

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Postby Rob Halfordia » Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:40 am

Mnar Secundus wrote:
Rob Halfordia wrote:Elites attain middle age at an average of 160 years old.

Your guys are a bit OP, aren't they ... Anyway, so you'd embark on a travel that will take at least dozens of years, fight through half the species in the RP and engage in a campaign that has little chances of succeeding even after all of that, just to conquer a territory that you cannot know to exist and that is barely as big as your present one (and much smaller when we consider only the parts where your guys could actually exist)?

They would be trying to conquer northern Asia at that point, not Europe. And remember, they die at any temperature above 30 degrees Celsius.
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Postby Jordslag » Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:41 am

Mnar Secundus wrote:
Rob Halfordia wrote:Elites attain middle age at an average of 160 years old.

Your guys are a bit OP, aren't they ... Anyway, so you'd embark on a travel that will take at least dozens of years, fight through half the species in the RP and engage in a campaign that has little chances of succeeding even after all of that, just to conquer a territory that you cannot know to exist and that is barely as big as your present one (and much smaller when we consider only the parts where your guys could actually exist)?

Well, my guys are dead. And they aren't even gonna fight anyone. THAT is not unrealistic. There have been some crazy leaders who ordered similar stuff.

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Postby Durmatagno » Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:48 am

The Orson Empire wrote:
Sebtopiaris wrote:Who cares? I got a million troops, which exceeds the population of my nearest non-loroman neighbour nation.

You have 1 million?

I have 500,000. I thought I had the largest army in this RP.

However, I am planning to build up my army to 800,000, as I am going to be doing some good ole' conquesting. I eventually want to create an empire similar to the Roman Empire.


I have 750K ATM, but we're planning on securing the last of our land (IE The not-so-unified city states and other such just outside the republic) and expanding our borders around the Black Sea, though that's still being debated by the council and King.

Edit: Also one thing, according the the various maps (comparing to RL) We share the Ural River, if you sent any river boats down it towards the Caspian Sea, you'd hit at least one big city of ours, we have a few large cities on the Caspian sea and Castle-Town on Upstream from it.

Edit 2: Also you either cut around my territory, or managed not to spot or be spotted by any Rose Republic peeps, we jut out a bit east off the Northern bank of the Caspian Sea.

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Postby Ptolemais » Thu Jul 03, 2014 10:06 am

Jordslag wrote:Meh. I'm not sending an army, nor am I planning on my few colonists making it to anywhere, so what's the problem? I don't know that Europe exists, but there's obviously more land in the world. Paanngarv is just what we call the parts of the World that isn't North America.


Surprisingly, most people in 500BC thought the world only consisted of what they could see, and land beyond the ocean would be a myth at best.

Rob Halfordia wrote:Middle age doesn't refer to actual middle age. It refers to the time their bodies begin to get weak and stop working, just like people.


Fair enough.

I believe in balance though, so if your Elites are uber strong, tough, live for a long time and barely even notice old age then there needs to be a give. For my people, it's our really low population and rate of reproduction. Flugel should be naturally the strongest race in the RP because I forwent having a large population or massive growth. Your numbers don't seem too bad for your strengths, but your people wouldn't be as strong as the Flugel in most respects. The Fuurradom should have a significantly higher population.
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Postby Rob Halfordia » Thu Jul 03, 2014 10:08 am

Ptolemais wrote:
Jordslag wrote:Meh. I'm not sending an army, nor am I planning on my few colonists making it to anywhere, so what's the problem? I don't know that Europe exists, but there's obviously more land in the world. Paanngarv is just what we call the parts of the World that isn't North America.


Surprisingly, most people in 500BC thought the world only consisted of what they could see, and land beyond the ocean would be a myth at best.

Rob Halfordia wrote:Middle age doesn't refer to actual middle age. It refers to the time their bodies begin to get weak and stop working, just like people.


Fair enough.

I believe in balance though, so if your Elites are uber strong, tough, live for a long time and barely even notice old age then there needs to be a give. For my people, it's our really low population and rate of reproduction. Flugel should be naturally the strongest race in the RP because I forwent having a large population or massive growth. Your numbers don't seem too bad for your strengths, but your people wouldn't be as strong as the Flugel in most respects. The Fuurradom should have a significantly higher population.

For us, it's he susceptibility to heat.
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Postby Durmatagno » Thu Jul 03, 2014 10:09 am

Ptolemais wrote:
Jordslag wrote:Meh. I'm not sending an army, nor am I planning on my few colonists making it to anywhere, so what's the problem? I don't know that Europe exists, but there's obviously more land in the world. Paanngarv is just what we call the parts of the World that isn't North America.


Surprisingly, most people in 500BC thought the world only consisted of what they could see, and land beyond the ocean would be a myth at best.

Rob Halfordia wrote:Middle age doesn't refer to actual middle age. It refers to the time their bodies begin to get weak and stop working, just like people.


Fair enough.

I believe in balance though, so if your Elites are uber strong, tough, live for a long time and barely even notice old age then there needs to be a give. For my people, it's our really low population and rate of reproduction. Flugel should be naturally the strongest race in the RP because I forwent having a large population or massive growth. Your numbers don't seem too bad for your strengths, but your people wouldn't be as strong as the Flugel in most respects. The Fuurradom should have a significantly higher population.


I think Elites can barely survive in 77F, and shutdown/die in higher temperatures, severely limiting the areas they can conquer.
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Postby Jordslag » Thu Jul 03, 2014 10:09 am

Ptolemais wrote:
Jordslag wrote:Meh. I'm not sending an army, nor am I planning on my few colonists making it to anywhere, so what's the problem? I don't know that Europe exists, but there's obviously more land in the world. Paanngarv is just what we call the parts of the World that isn't North America.


Surprisingly, most people in 500BC thought the world only consisted of what they could see, and land beyond the ocean would be a myth at best.

Rob Halfordia wrote:Middle age doesn't refer to actual middle age. It refers to the time their bodies begin to get weak and stop working, just like people.


Fair enough.

I believe in balance though, so if your Elites are uber strong, tough, live for a long time and barely even notice old age then there needs to be a give. For my people, it's our really low population and rate of reproduction. Flugel should be naturally the strongest race in the RP because I forwent having a large population or massive growth. Your numbers don't seem too bad for your strengths, but your people wouldn't be as strong as the flugel in most respects. The Fuurradom should have a significantly higher population.

Not the King. He thinks there are other lands out there. The other Foragers call him the 'Mad King', but he's the King, so they can't do anything about it. He actually believes in the Myth. Also, I let him have a higher population simply because my guys breed Über fast. By the end of next year, they will probably number slightly over 80,000.

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