A World Builder: Everland (Semi-Closed World Builder)

[Harbertia]

I'm back from work, and ready to address the points that have been brought forward.

Gender

Charm for the most part is right, and Dutch is also correct in this needing to be established. Essentually, their is till is a sense of Gender Roles in Everland, however, their is still a chance to hold a position not in those roles... it's just, uncommon. For example, it's likely the armed forces are predominantly male. I feel I don't have to go into detail as to why, though having read a bit of All's Quite on the Western Front, and watched Star Ship Troopers etc it's safe to say an integrated army is, highly unlikely. However, it, could still be possible for female fighters to rise in less formal organizations, like Mercenary bands, militia, or even a town watch.

Mage wise a woman of magic would, like most magic users, be expected to study magic, and have relatively equal footing with male associates as magic is a metaphysical aspect involving the soul, and mind.

Empress and Empire

As Charm pointed out, simply having an Empress doesn't really say much about gender roles. In my imagining the Empress was actually quite weak in her power, similiar in position to the Japanese Emperor. Her main role maintaining peace between the smaller regions, and direct their efforts. She was charged with their joint protection, and would hold a court of the regions. A court made up of represenatives (Princes, Ambassadors, etc) appointed by the rulers of each region/country/hold. The title in my mind was more a reference to her governance over diverse ethnic groups.

I would like to point out that the German Empire DID have kings. Just not Sovereign Kings as they where all subordinating to the Emperor, and only he could establish a foreign policy. Their where 27 in total, each with a Royal Family. Prior to the establishment of the Empire the US actually had relations with a number of these states. One of which was the Kingdom of Wuttemberg. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of ... Crttemberg

Now then... how to organize Everland (which is actually a geographical region of a much larger world, however it is the known world).

Lords has been agreed upon my most of those present... though it's yet to be decided, and I'm highly open to conversation in this matter.

[Islamic Republic e Jariri]

I'm back from work, and ready to address the points that have been brought forward.

Gender

Charm for the most part is right, and Dutch is also correct in this needing to be established. Essentually, their is till is a sense of Gender Roles in Everland, however, their is still a chance to hold a position not in those roles... it's just, uncommon. For example, it's likely the armed forces are predominantly male. I feel I don't have to go into detail as to why, though having read a bit of All's Quite on the Western Front, and watched Star Ship Troopers etc it's safe to say an integrated army is, highly unlikely. However, it, could still be possible for female fighters to rise in less formal organizations, like Mercenary bands, militia, or even a town watch.

Mage wise a woman of magic would, like most magic users, be expected to study magic, and have relatively equal footing with male associates as magic is a metaphysical aspect involving the soul, and mind.

Empress and Empire

As Charm pointed out, simply having an Empress doesn't really say much about gender roles. In my imagining the Empress was actually quite weak in her power, similiar in position to the Japanese Emperor. Her main role maintaining peace between the smaller regions, and direct their efforts. She was charged with their joint protection, and would hold a court of the regions. A court made up of represenatives (Princes, Ambassadors, etc) appointed by the rulers of each region/country/hold. The title in my mind was more a reference to her governance over diverse ethnic groups.

I would like to point out that the German Empire DID have kings. Just not Sovereign Kings as they where all subordinating to the Emperor, and only he could establish a foreign policy. Their where 27 in total, each with a Royal Family. Prior to the establishment of the Empire the US actually had relations with a number of these states. One of which was the Kingdom of Wuttemberg. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of ... Crttemberg

Now then... how to organize Everland (which is actually a geographical region of a much larger world, however it is the known world).

Lords has been agreed upon my most of those present... though it's yet to be decided, and I'm highly open to conversation in this matter.

I would also prefer to have Kings instead of Lords as its more politically correct, though will concede with Lords to bear the same meaning as a Vassal King if that's what the majority wants.

[Harbertia]

Well, let's think about the history for a bit. We know the Empire came from Humans uniting the Region. Humans from over the mountians. From my study of Empires such as the German Empire their was still republics, free cities, and none monarchal entities...

Perhaps the main Human Kingdom does have dukes, and lords but other states of the Empire having Kings, or other leaders. Like the Giants... the Giants might have a king.

[Harbertia]

I dont' know about the capital having floating islands.

[Harbertia]

I'd like to make a list of those who are part of this along with time information so we have an idea of when all us are on.

Charmeria
Dutch
Harbertia | Eastern Standard Time | work from 8:30 AM to 3:30 PM Monday though Friday*, Offline by 10 or 11 PM to 5 or 6:35 AM
Jariri

*I'm getting the 4th of July off this week.

[Harbertia]

Godak (Giant Tortous used as pack, and dry animal)

Wyverns

[Charmera]

I'd like to make a list of those who are part of this along with time information so we have an idea of when all us are on.

Charmeria
Dutch
Harbertia | Eastern Standard Time | work from 8:30 AM to 3:30 PM Monday though Friday*, Offline by 10 or 11 PM to 5 or 6:35 AM
Jariri

*I'm getting the 4th of July off this week.

Im on HKT. Since summers on I should be online most of the day.
I will let you guys know if I am busy and approximately how long it will be.

[Charmera]

For some reason I feel like we need more races...

[The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness]

I'm on GMT +1

[Harbertia]

Alright, I've made the list.

Charmeria | HKT (UTC+8)
Dutch | GMT +1 (UTC+1)
Harbertia | Eastern Standard Time (UTC-5) | work from 8:30 AM to 3:30 PM Monday though Friday*, Offline by 10 or 11 PM to 5 or 6:35 AM
Jariri

Universal Coordinated Time Now
((Simply take this, and modify the hours by the number shown (UTC+4 = Add 4 hours to the time shown) Note that some areas may be experiencing Daylight Savings Time (which adds an hour))

Just need to add Jariri's information.

I think we do need to add some more races as currently the only two really viable PC races are Giants, and Humans. (Naga mostly being a monster race, and the Syvan reclusively xenophobic).

Though that's not really bad, it'd still be nice to have some diversity while keeping a general feel. I had proposed a race of molemen who'd have a role much like the Dwarven race, though I don't really see anyone playing such a race.

[The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness]

I should note that Karel de Grote/Charlemagne was an Emperor and didn't have any kings under him.

[Charmera]

Alright, I've made the list.

Charmeria | HKT (UTC+8)
Dutch | GMT +1 (UTC+1)
Harbertia | Eastern Standard Time (UTC-5) | work from 8:30 AM to 3:30 PM Monday though Friday*, Offline by 10 or 11 PM to 5 or 6:35 AM
Jariri

Universal Coordinated Time Now
((Simply take this, and modify the hours by the number shown (UTC+4 = Add 4 hours to the time shown) Note that some areas may be experiencing Daylight Savings Time (which adds an hour))

Just need to add Jariri's information.

I think we do need to add some more races as currently the only two really viable PC races are Giants, and Humans. (Naga mostly being a monster race, and the Syvan reclusively xenophobic).

Though that's not really bad, it'd still be nice to have some diversity while keeping a general feel. I had proposed a race of molemen who'd have a role much like the Dwarven race, though I don't really see anyone playing such a race.

There are the Kirkens, but they are a little... odd.
We could each come up with an idea for a PC race, which would bring us up to six viable races.

[Harbertia]

I should note that Karel de Grote/Charlemagne was an Emperor and didn't have any kings under him.

You are ofcourse correct, as he took on the title of king of those he conqured (he was king of the Franks, and the Lombards) So while they had a king, that king was also king of the Franks, thus having ruling over multiple ethnicities, and more then one kingship, was deserving the title of Emperor. Though if you look you'll see he made one of his sons King of the Franks, another King of the lombards, and a thrid became the Holy Roman Emperor. Thus, after Charlamagne, the Empire had an Emperor who had Kings under him as the Emperor was not king of the Franks, nor the Lombards.

There are the Kirkens, but they are a little... odd.
We could each come up with an idea for a PC race, which would bring us up to six viable races.

I shall work on an idea over work. I agree with you on all of us trying to come up with an idea to build up the numbers. Let us do so.

[The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness]

I should note that Karel de Grote/Charlemagne was an Emperor and didn't have any kings under him.

You are ofcourse correct, as he took on the title of king of those he conqured (he was king of the Franks, and the Lombards) So while they had a king, that king was also king of the Franks, thus having ruling over multiple ethnicities, and more then one kingship, was deserving the title of Emperor. Though if you look you'll see he made one of his sons King of the Franks, another King of the lombards, and a thrid became the Holy Roman Emperor. Thus, after Charlamagne, the Empire had an Emperor who had Kings under him as the Emperor was not king of the Franks, nor the Lombards.

Aye, but he devided it mainly because that was tradition with the Franks. If a King had three sons, they'd all get one third of his land and all become a king.

[Harbertia]

You are ofcourse correct, as he took on the title of king of those he conqured (he was king of the Franks, and the Lombards) So while they had a king, that king was also king of the Franks, thus having ruling over multiple ethnicities, and more then one kingship, was deserving the title of Emperor. Though if you look you'll see he made one of his sons King of the Franks, another King of the lombards, and a thrid became the Holy Roman Emperor. Thus, after Charlamagne, the Empire had an Emperor who had Kings under him as the Emperor was not king of the Franks, nor the Lombards.

Aye, but he devided it mainly because that was tradition with the Franks. If a King had three sons, they'd all get one third of his land and all become a king.

I think I've found a solution; it's likely the Humans of Everland are united as a single state with a monarch, and several lords, dukes, and counts accross the land. However, as the monarch has influence over other states in the region, this somehow grants the title of Emperor (it's early in the morning so bare with my mind for a time)? Sort of what I had mentioned about their might be a leaders who govern states that are not predominantly human.

... It's starting to sound weird the more I think about it.

I actually dont' have an issue with the other races not having a monarch, or ruler of their own other then the Emperor/Empress, as seems to be a suggestion. The only reluctance I have is as to how the land was united. I think, if we determine this, we can more easily- eh, I should have a more focused mind when I return.

We have Humans coming from Jaigum into Everland. Some Humans use magic, other don't, and we have bloodlines. According to the Giant's entry; "[The Giants] where are the original, and peaceful inhabitants of Everland. Standing three to four meters high Giant kind inhabits the dense woodlands of Everland tending to, and harvesting the trees they have grown for generations. They are said to be deep thinkers, though early explorers mistook their silence to signify a lack of intelligence." and considering Human history with the Titans, and the misconception a conflict might have emerged... so it's likely the Empire was formed by way of conquest... which makes having lords, and dukes seem likely.

[The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness]

Could do it like the Empire in Warhammer Fantasy, with an Emperor and beneath him "Elector Counts" that are just Kings in their own right.

[Charmera]

Could do it like the Empire in Warhammer Fantasy, with an Emperor and beneath him "Elector Counts" that are just Kings in their own right.

Perhaps each "State" could be run by a noble family, somewhat like Game of Thrones...
And some of them just happen to not be human.

[Harbertia]

Could do it like the Empire in Warhammer Fantasy, with an Emperor and beneath him "Elector Counts" that are just Kings in their own right.

hmm... it'd seem odd to me to have such a level of election, though I can see representatives of some form being sent to the Imperial Court by election. (I've expanded my previous post).

Perhaps each "State" could be run by a noble family, somewhat like Game of Thrones...
And some of them just happen to not be human.

It'll be easy to consider this once our list of races has expanded... I'm sort of thinking we should also work on political models to share, so we can give each other a better idea of what we are proposing, as I'm trying to piece each suggestion into a coherent whole, and with out such detail it's difficult. By creating these models I think we'll be able to understand each other better. Though at the same time, we seem to currently have only two civilized races (Humans, and Giants), which makes this difficult.

(Oh, and I expanded my previous post and would like to hear input on the subject)

[Charmera]

Aye, but he devided it mainly because that was tradition with the Franks. If a King had three sons, they'd all get one third of his land and all become a king.

I think I've found a solution; it's likely the Humans of Everland are united as a single state with a monarch, and several lords, dukes, and counts accross the land. However, as the monarch has influence over other states in the region, this somehow grants the title of Emperor (it's early in the morning so bare with my mind for a time)? Sort of what I had mentioned about their might be a leaders who govern states that are not predominantly human.

... It's starting to sound weird the more I think about it.

I actually dont' have an issue with the other races not having a monarch, or ruler of their own other then the Emperor/Empress, as seems to be a suggestion. The only reluctance I have is as to how the land was united. I think, if we determine this, we can more easily- eh, I should have a more focused mind when I return.

We have Humans coming from Jaigum into Everland. Some Humans use magic, other don't, and we have bloodlines. According to the Giant's entry; "[The Giants] where are the original, and peaceful inhabitants of Everland. Standing three to four meters high Giant kind inhabits the dense woodlands of Everland tending to, and harvesting the trees they have grown for generations. They are said to be deep thinkers, though early explorers mistook their silence to signify a lack of intelligence." and considering Human history with the Titans, and the misconception a conflict might have emerged... so it's likely the Empire was formed by way of conquest... which makes having lords, and dukes seem likely.

Perhaps, maybe the Giants are a recently freed slave race after being conquered?
Or perhaps there are still some slave giants?

Could do it like the Empire in Warhammer Fantasy, with an Emperor and beneath him "Elector Counts" that are just Kings in their own right.

hmm... it'd seem odd to me to have such a level of election, though I can see representatives of some form being sent to the Imperial Court by election. (I've expanded my previous post).

Perhaps each "State" could be run by a noble family, somewhat like Game of Thrones...
And some of them just happen to not be human.

It'll be easy to consider this once our list of races has expanded... I'm sort of thinking we should also work on political models to share, so we can give each other a better idea of what we are proposing, as I'm trying to piece each suggestion into a coherent whole, and with out such detail it's difficult. By creating these models I think we'll be able to understand each other better. Though at the same time, we seem to currently have only two civilized races (Humans, and Giants), which makes this difficult.

(Oh, and I expanded my previous post and would like to here input on the subject)

I'l get my race idea up today so that should help.
What do you mean? Should we create our own proposal for the politics?
Perhaps a diagram of some sort will help illustrate things...

[Charmera]

WIP Ideas (Choose one)

Raetken: Humanoid rats, used to have a nomadic culture of their own in Everland, but it is beginning to be diluted by the human culture. Often stereotyped as thieves or backstabbers, they often have to fight prejudice.
Brek: Proud and honourable, yet fierce and harsh. Brek have migrated from the colder regions of Jaigum to escape the Titans. They resemble humanoid Badgers with opposable thumbs.
Kinsar: An enigmatic race. Humanoid in almost all respects, except for their acidic blood, long tongues, forked tails and pale skin. They have odd traditions and have an almost paranoid fear of their face being see. So they cover their faces with masks in public. They were natives to Everland

What do you guys thing so far? Which one would be best?

[The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness]

Kinsar are cool, and Raetken sound awesome. Totally not biased due to having Warhammer Skaven.

[Charmera]

Kinsar are cool, and Raetken sound awesome. Totally not biased due to having Warhammer Skaven.

They'd be a little less diabolical than the Skaven (At least, most of them...) and more relatable.

[The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness]

Kinsar are cool, and Raetken sound awesome. Totally not biased due to having Warhammer Skaven.

They'd be a little less diabolical than the Skaven (At least, most of them...) and more relatable.

I can relate myself with Skaven. They've even got telephones, damn it!

[Charmera]

They'd be a little less diabolical than the Skaven (At least, most of them...) and more relatable.

I can relate myself with Skaven. They've even got telephones, damn it!

I know. I love them too...
Ah Thanquol... Will you ever rid yourself of that troublesome slayer?

Would rough images help?

[Harbertia]

I think I've found a solution; it's likely the Humans of Everland are united as a single state with a monarch, and several lords, dukes, and counts accross the land. However, as the monarch has influence over other states in the region, this somehow grants the title of Emperor (it's early in the morning so bare with my mind for a time)? Sort of what I had mentioned about their might be a leaders who govern states that are not predominantly human.

... It's starting to sound weird the more I think about it.

I actually dont' have an issue with the other races not having a monarch, or ruler of their own other then the Emperor/Empress, as seems to be a suggestion. The only reluctance I have is as to how the land was united. I think, if we determine this, we can more easily- eh, I should have a more focused mind when I return.

We have Humans coming from Jaigum into Everland. Some Humans use magic, other don't, and we have bloodlines. According to the Giant's entry; "[The Giants] where are the original, and peaceful inhabitants of Everland. Standing three to four meters high Giant kind inhabits the dense woodlands of Everland tending to, and harvesting the trees they have grown for generations. They are said to be deep thinkers, though early explorers mistook their silence to signify a lack of intelligence." and considering Human history with the Titans, and the misconception a conflict might have emerged... so it's likely the Empire was formed by way of conquest... which makes having lords, and dukes seem likely.

Perhaps, maybe the Giants are a recently freed slave race after being conquered?
Or perhaps there are still some slave giants?

The Empire's becoming a bit worse then I thought it would be... I imagined it as realitively peaceful. Odd I suppose it was for me to see it at, for cultural reference, the Empire from Elder Scrolls Oblivion as far as racial relations went. It's the closest I can think of. A rather integrated society.

Though since we have been following a line of thought on the history it does make sense that such an Empire would have a harsh history. I suppose what we should do is come up with a time line of sorts, and figure out where to have our first adventure. The Giants as a slave race makes sense as I'm sure the 'tiny ones' would revel in such power over a people larger then themselves. Perhaps by the start of our IC threads they have been free for some time, though memory of what was done to them still lingers.

hmm... it'd seem odd to me to have such a level of election, though I can see representatives of some form being sent to the Imperial Court by election. (I've expanded my previous post).



It'll be easy to consider this once our list of races has expanded... I'm sort of thinking we should also work on political models to share, so we can give each other a better idea of what we are proposing, as I'm trying to piece each suggestion into a coherent whole, and with out such detail it's difficult. By creating these models I think we'll be able to understand each other better. Though at the same time, we seem to currently have only two civilized races (Humans, and Giants), which makes this difficult.

(Oh, and I expanded my previous post and would like to here input on the subject)

I'l get my race idea up today so that should help.
What do you mean? Should we create our own proposal for the politics?
Perhaps a diagram of some sort will help illustrate things...

Yes, a diagram is exactly what I had in mind

WIP Ideas (Choose one)

Raetken: Humanoid rats, used to have a nomadic culture of their own in Everland, but it is beginning to be diluted by the human culture. Often stereotyped as thieves or backstabbers, they often have to fight prejudice.
Brek: Proud and honourable, yet fierce and harsh. Brek have migrated from the colder regions of Jaigum to escape the Titans. They resemble humanoid Badgers with opposable thumbs.
Kinsar: An enigmatic race. Humanoid in almost all respects, except for their acidic blood, long tongues, forked tails and pale skin. They have odd traditions and have an almost paranoid fear of their face being see. So they cover their faces with masks in public. They were natives to Everland

What do you guys thing so far? Which one would be best?

I like the idea of the Raetken, and Brek. Though mostly the Brek. The Kinsar are a bit odd, they seem almost out of place, yet, fascinating in their own right which makes them difficult to simply decline with out mention of the interesting subject.

I've also got more then one idea, but I'll refrain from mentioning them until we've finished discussing these three.