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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:27 am

Hmm, well on the side of the Balrog, we have him destroying the entirety of Khazad-Dum and forcing Durin's folk to flee, who up until that time had been likely the greatest Dwarf Kingdom of Middle-Earth. We're not talking some sudden thing either; it took nearly three years for the Dwarves to be driven out of the halls, if I remember correctly, which is plenty of time for them to have marshaled all the forces they could, and those forces to have been defeated. It also assuredly fought in the War of the Jewels, and survived, no small feat. Furthermore, It broke Gandalf's spell at the Chamber of Mazarbul, one of the more powerful Maia of Manwe, and was only eventually slain in full by being cast off the top of an environmental hazard, not in direct combat. Even defeating it slew Gandalf, again one of the Istari chosen for their power and wisdom to oppose Sauron.

On Galadriel's side, she is a High Elf, and saw Valinor, which gives her power against the spirits of Arda. She also bears an Elven ring of no insignificant power, though its ability to aid her directly in war is left undetermined and dubious; it seems more likely that the power of Lorien lay in the enchantments woven about it, which to my mind would be similar in form to those of the Girdle. We have canonical examples of Elves defeating Balrogs. They are not many in number, and whether or not those Balrog's had slain many Elves ere they were brought down is obviously a matter for debate. We know that the Elves are the most powerful created beings of Arda, and obviously had the ability to move against what they knew as the "Nameless Terror".

Hmm. Though, in the book, and on the wiki, it seems that no part of the outside world is actually aware that the Balrog is, in point of fact, a Balrog.
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Postby Bearon » Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:31 am

I knew it. Also I believe Galadriel should be equal to in power but not in combat.
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Postby The Starlight » Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:31 am

This is what it says in The Lord of the RIngs, Appendix B, Page 1069
"After the fall of the Dark Tower and the passing of Sauron the Shadow was lifted from the parts of all who opposed him, but fear and despair fell upon his servants and allies. Three times Lórien had been assailed from Dol Guldur, but besides the valour of the elven people of that land, the power that dwelt there was too great for any to overcome, unless Sauron had come there himself. Though grievous harm was done to the fair woods on the borders, the assaults were driven back and when the Shadow passed, Celeborn came forth and led the host of Lórien over Anduin in many boats. They took Dol Guldur, and Galadriel threw down its walls and laid bare its pits, and the forest was cleansed."
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Postby Bearon » Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:32 am

Hmm. Nice feat find.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:33 am

The Starlight wrote:This is what it says in The Lord of the RIngs, Appendix B, Page 1069
"After the fall of the Dark Tower and the passing of Sauron the Shadow was lifted from the parts of all who opposed him, but fear and despair fell upon his servants and allies. Three times Lórien had been assailed from Dol Guldur, but besides the valour of the elven people of that land, the power that dwelt there was too great for any to overcome, unless Sauron had come there himself. Though grievous harm was done to the fair woods on the borders, the assaults were driven back and when the Shadow passed, Celeborn came forth and led the host of Lórien over Anduin in many boats. They took Dol Guldur, and Galadriel threw down its walls and laid bare its pits, and the forest was cleansed."


Indeed; that was after the forces of Mordor were broken, however. Breaking down the walls is a rather easy matter when there are none there to defend them.
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Postby Bearon » Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:35 am

Still an impressive feat.
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Postby The Starlight » Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:36 am

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
The Starlight wrote:This is what it says in The Lord of the RIngs, Appendix B, Page 1069
"After the fall of the Dark Tower and the passing of Sauron the Shadow was lifted from the parts of all who opposed him, but fear and despair fell upon his servants and allies. Three times Lórien had been assailed from Dol Guldur, but besides the valour of the elven people of that land, the power that dwelt there was too great for any to overcome, unless Sauron had come there himself. Though grievous harm was done to the fair woods on the borders, the assaults were driven back and when the Shadow passed, Celeborn came forth and led the host of Lórien over Anduin in many boats. They took Dol Guldur, and Galadriel threw down its walls and laid bare its pits, and the forest was cleansed."


Indeed; that was after the forces of Mordor were broken, however. Breaking down the walls is a rather easy matter when there are none there to defend them.

It says fear and despair fell upon his servants and allies, not that they fled. Also, I suspect that there were also enchantments in the walls of Dol Guldur.
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Postby The Starlight » Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:36 am

Bearon wrote:Still an impressive feat.

I agree.
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Postby Bearon » Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:37 am

That's leaning towards assumption but it's possible. Also I feel like if she could tear down walls she could defeat a few orcs.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:40 am

The Starlight wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Indeed; that was after the forces of Mordor were broken, however. Breaking down the walls is a rather easy matter when there are none there to defend them.

It says fear and despair fell upon his servants and allies, not that they fled. Also, I suspect that there were also enchantments in the walls of Dol Guldur.


Eh, I think its fairly obvious that the hosts of Mordor dissolved with the fall of Sauron. I would suspect there would be some Orcs loitering about in their own tribes and bands, but no organized force certainly. The enchantments certainly are possible, but not confirmed either way really. Still, destroying a mostly abandoned fortress is rather interesting, but not really proof for defeating a being of greater fea and order than her own.
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Postby The Starlight » Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:41 am

Looking at the IC, I don't think people realize how many troops they can recruit. Here it is people:

Each faction starts with a base recruitment point pool of 2000 points (Represented as the statistics in the table above). Each IC page you detail what you've recruited, for example, as Goblins are worth 1 point, you may train 2000 Goblins every IC page.
If you wish to mount your soldiers, you double their strength. For example, you'd be able to train 1000 Morannon Orcs each page regularly. However, if you wished to mount them on Wargs you'd only be able to get 500.

The construction of Orc Pits, Barracks, etc, etc in a region (As defined by pure common sense but I can assist if necessary) will add 100 Strength to your recruitment pool. It takes 3 IC pages to build these buildings.

Ships: If you've got a coast, go crazy and build boats. 100 Strength.
Trebuchet: Like a catapult, but it doesn't shoot cats. 80 Strength.
Catapults: Y'know what irks me? Walls. 60 Strength.
Ballistae: If you ever feel like making a quick shish kebab... 50 Strength
Ram: More expensive than a goat, that's for sure. 30 Strength.
Ladders: Warning, keep away from snakes. 5 Strength.

Goblin: 1
Lesser Spiders: 1.25
Hobbit: 1.5
Orc: 1.75
Morannon Orc: 2
Lesser Men: 3
Uruk: 3.5
Higher Men: 3.75
Dwarves: 5
Great Spiders: 5.25
Half-Trolls: 6
Elves: 6.75
Trolls: 90
Olog-Hai: 110
Mumakil: 300

That means this:
If you want to you can recruit 2000 goblins per page or around 297 elves for example as long as you are not building any ships or siege weapons.
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Postby Bearon » Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:44 am

Why do you think I have 3,000 goblins I don't know what to do with?
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Postby The Starlight » Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:46 am

Bearon wrote:Why do you think I have 3,000 goblins I don't know what to do with?

No not you, other people. And why recruit 3000 goblins when you could have Uruk-hai, which are better in pretty much every way.
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Postby Bearon » Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:48 am

For a special reason. ;3
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Postby The Starlight » Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:50 am

Bearon wrote:For a special reason. ;3

Are they your workers, or are you planning to send them towards me in the future. But I must warn you, my elves beat goblins any day as long as its not like 10,000 goblins versus 3. Unless those 3 are Gandalf, Legolas and Aragorn.
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Postby Bearon » Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:52 am

You'll see though the worker idea has merits.
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Postby The Starlight » Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:54 am

Bearon wrote:You'll see though the worker idea has merits.

You're welcome.
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Postby Bearon » Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:55 am

Actually it really is a good idea. I guess I'll use trolls instead. Arrows don't pierce their hide. :p
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Postby The Starlight » Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:57 am

Bearon wrote:Actually it really is a good idea. I guess I'll use trolls instead. Arrows don't pierce their hide. :p

Good then I trained spearmen. And how would you recruit trolls? And if a couple arrows go into their mouth or eyes, then trolls are done for. Good things elves have near perfect aim.
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"If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world"
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:58 am

The Starlight wrote:
Bearon wrote:Actually it really is a good idea. I guess I'll use trolls instead. Arrows don't pierce their hide. :p

Good then I trained spearmen. And how would you recruit trolls?


Well, he could get breeding stock from Moria, or I would contemplate sending him some.
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Postby Bearon » Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:59 am

Speaking of that when is the Nazghul and reinforcements getting here?
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Postby The Starlight » Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:59 am

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
The Starlight wrote:Good then I trained spearmen. And how would you recruit trolls?


Well, he could get breeding stock from Moria, or I would contemplate sending him some.

Ganging up on me now, eh. Besides Bearon, why don't you go for Dunland or Rohan, those are ripe for the taking.
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"If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world"
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Postby Bearon » Sat Jun 28, 2014 10:00 am

Because your in my space by expanding to Fangorn. Plus I'm a ring collector. ;)
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Postby The Starlight » Sat Jun 28, 2014 10:01 am

Bearon wrote:Speaking of that when is the Nazghul and reinforcements getting here?

WHAT??? No fair, well you're probably just trying to scare me.And where are the reinforcements going to come from. Through Rohan? I don't think they would like that. And besides, g-tech, you should really be focusing more on Gondor not me.
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Postby The Starlight » Sat Jun 28, 2014 10:03 am

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Bearon wrote:Because your in my space by expanding to Fangorn. Plus I'm a ring collector. ;)

>:( >:( Well I can promise you that you're not taking mine. And besides, IC you don't know about my elves. They have been very careful not to be seen. And besides, why would you care about Fangorn? Rohan is much more important and there is tons of room there or in Dunland.
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"Life before Death. Strength before Weakness. Journey before Destination"
"Strength does not make one capable of rule. It makes one capable of service"
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"
"If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world"
Tri: NS's Tolkien incarnate
Lith: Twinky-toes, Lord of Elves, and the only man to enter Tolkien's Holy of Holies
Neros: A Star Among Men and a Tolkien force of nature in relation to Elves and Asgardians.
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