The Third Age: A Lord of the Rings RP (OOC)

[The Starlight]

Gulp. You seriously worry me, G-tech. Actually, in all seriousness I am terrified. Help! Sad thing is, I'm probably number 1 or 2 on your hit list. :
And I'm just across the river.
Gulp.
And guys, if he's saying that, its probably a very bad idea to attack Moria. But what choice do we have?

Pfah, G knows the art of war. He makes dangerous targets seem easy, and easy targets he makes hard. If he says that, we can be sure we can attack him straight on. Those halls and corridors are ideal for the Elven shield war. We have two Istari, and Elven lords on both sides. We'll be fine.

You're not the one just across the river from Dol Guldur.
Though I suppose, we might have a chance.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Gulp. You seriously worry me, G-tech. Actually, in all seriousness I am terrified. Help! Sad thing is, I'm probably number 1 or 2 on your hit list. :
And I'm just across the river.
Gulp.
And guys, if he's saying that, its probably a very bad idea to attack Moria. But what choice do we have?

Pfah, G knows the art of war. He makes dangerous targets seem easy, and easy targets he makes hard. If he says that, we can be sure we can attack him straight on. Those halls and corridors are ideal for the Elven shield war. We have two Istari, and Elven lords on both sides. We'll be fine.

Hah. Erm, I'm not usually that tricky. Perhaps ICly. I mean, there are reasons even the victorious host of the Dwarves didn't attack Moria post Battle of Anizarbul, or whatever it was called. In the vast reaches of the Dwarrowdelf it is phenomenally easy to get surround and cut off by larger forces, not to mention the Dwarves designed it for defensive purposes. I can't imagine a way to breach Durin's Bridge, for instance, short of trying to build across the gap and make it wider under heavy enemy fire.

[The Starlight]

Pfah, G knows the art of war. He makes dangerous targets seem easy, and easy targets he makes hard. If he says that, we can be sure we can attack him straight on. Those halls and corridors are ideal for the Elven shield war. We have two Istari, and Elven lords on both sides. We'll be fine.

Hah. Erm, I'm not usually that tricky. Perhaps ICly. I mean, there are reasons even the victorious host of the Dwarves didn't attack Moria post Battle of Anizarbul, or whatever it was called. In the vast reaches of the Dwarrowdelf it is phenomenally easy to get surround and cut off by larger forces, not to mention the Dwarves designed it for defensive purposes. I can't imagine a way to breach Durin's Bridge, for instance, short of trying to build across the gap and make it wider under heavy enemy fire.

True, but I'm looking forward to when we finally get there IC. That will be one big battle. C'mon guys, keep posting so I can recruit about 300 more elves on the next IC page!

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Pfah, G knows the art of war. He makes dangerous targets seem easy, and easy targets he makes hard. If he says that, we can be sure we can attack him straight on. Those halls and corridors are ideal for the Elven shield war. We have two Istari, and Elven lords on both sides. We'll be fine.

Hah. Erm, I'm not usually that tricky. Perhaps ICly. I mean, there are reasons even the victorious host of the Dwarves didn't attack Moria post Battle of Anizarbul, or whatever it was called. In the vast reaches of the Dwarrowdelf it is phenomenally easy to get surround and cut off by larger forces, not to mention the Dwarves designed it for defensive purposes. I can't imagine a way to breach Durin's Bridge, for instance, short of trying to build across the gap and make it wider under heavy enemy fire.

Should I trust you, or...

Yeah, it sounds like a bad idea like that... But if the Elves use the tactics of Dagorlad, just mowing down wave after wave of Goblins, we might get somewhere. We jus need to kill enough Goblins in the beginning so that the big halls won't be problems any more. If that works. It's probably our best bet for getting through the Misty Mountains. We should try to contact the Dwarves first, see if they can help us. They should be very eager to join.

[The Starlight]

Hah. Erm, I'm not usually that tricky. Perhaps ICly. I mean, there are reasons even the victorious host of the Dwarves didn't attack Moria post Battle of Anizarbul, or whatever it was called. In the vast reaches of the Dwarrowdelf it is phenomenally easy to get surround and cut off by larger forces, not to mention the Dwarves designed it for defensive purposes. I can't imagine a way to breach Durin's Bridge, for instance, short of trying to build across the gap and make it wider under heavy enemy fire.

Should I trust you, or...

Yeah, it sounds like a bad idea like that... But if the Elves use the tactics of Dagorlad, just mowing down wave after wave of Goblins, we might get somewhere. We jus need to kill enough Goblins in the beginning so that the big halls won't be problems any more. If that works. It's probably our best bet for getting through the Misty Mountains. We should try to contact the Dwarves first, see if they can help us. They should be very eager to join.

Yah that should work, no way a goblin could to defeat any elf in combat. Maybe Gandalf or Elrond should go to the dwarves or send an emissary, since they think I'm an elf-witch. But they know and slightly trust you two.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Should I trust you, or...

Yeah, it sounds like a bad idea like that... But if the Elves use the tactics of Dagorlad, just mowing down wave after wave of Goblins, we might get somewhere. We jus need to kill enough Goblins in the beginning so that the big halls won't be problems any more. If that works. It's probably our best bet for getting through the Misty Mountains. We should try to contact the Dwarves first, see if they can help us. They should be very eager to join.

Yah that should work, no way a goblin could to defeat any elf in combat. Maybe Gandalf or Elrond should go to the dwarves or send an emissary, since they think I'm an elf-witch. But they know and slightly trust you two.

I hope Thorin and Gloin recognize their old friend from years past...

[G-Tech Corporation]

Hah. Erm, I'm not usually that tricky. Perhaps ICly. I mean, there are reasons even the victorious host of the Dwarves didn't attack Moria post Battle of Anizarbul, or whatever it was called. In the vast reaches of the Dwarrowdelf it is phenomenally easy to get surround and cut off by larger forces, not to mention the Dwarves designed it for defensive purposes. I can't imagine a way to breach Durin's Bridge, for instance, short of trying to build across the gap and make it wider under heavy enemy fire.

Should I trust you, or...

Yeah, it sounds like a bad idea like that... But if the Elves use the tactics of Dagorlad, just mowing down wave after wave of Goblins, we might get somewhere. We jus need to kill enough Goblins in the beginning so that the big halls won't be problems any more. If that works. It's probably our best bet for getting through the Misty Mountains. We should try to contact the Dwarves first, see if they can help us. They should be very eager to join.

True, true. That said, if your battle plan hinges on the stupidity of your foe for success, I'd generally start coming up with a different one.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Should I trust you, or...

Yeah, it sounds like a bad idea like that... But if the Elves use the tactics of Dagorlad, just mowing down wave after wave of Goblins, we might get somewhere. We jus need to kill enough Goblins in the beginning so that the big halls won't be problems any more. If that works. It's probably our best bet for getting through the Misty Mountains. We should try to contact the Dwarves first, see if they can help us. They should be very eager to join.

True, true. That said, if your battle plan hinges on the stupidity of your foe for success, I'd generally start coming up with a different one.

We really have nothing else to go on. It may be a stupid, risky plan, but it's the least stupid plan we have. A fight on the mountain passes of Caradhras is even more dangerous, and it doesn't pay off as well. The Dwarves have at least some knowledge of Khazad-Dûm, which is more than we can say of the mountain passes. I just hope there is nothing more evil than Orcs in those mines.

[G-Tech Corporation]

True, true. That said, if your battle plan hinges on the stupidity of your foe for success, I'd generally start coming up with a different one.

We really have nothing else to go on. It may be a stupid, risky plan, but it's the least stupid plan we have. A fight on the mountain passes of Caradhras is even more dangerous, and it doesn't pay off as well. The Dwarves have at least some knowledge of Khazad-Dûm, which is more than we can say of the mountain passes. I just hope there is nothing more evil than Orcs in those mines.

Hmm, I'd say Caradhras would be easier, due to the confined space in which you can concentrate your forces. But do as you see fit.

[Limborg]

This especially is scaring me...
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=300980
Behold the almighty forces of Mordor-

This thread is purely for those who are associated with The Third Age: A Lord of the Rings RP. If you aren't one of those, kindly refrain from posting.

Mordor

Leader: Sauron, Lord of the Earth, The Great Eye, Mairon the Admirable, Gorthaur, Annatar, The Lord of Gifts, King of Men
Holdings:
Plains of Gorgoroth: (The Barad-Dur - Stronghold | Orc Pit) 5000 Morannon Orcs, 5000 Snaga Orcs, 1000 Black Uruks, 2 Great Beasts
Passes of the Morannon: (The Black Gate - Fortress | Orc Pit) 6550 Morannon Orcs, 3520 Uruks, 5000 Snaga Orcs, 1000 Black Uruks, 1 Ram, 9 Trolls
Ash Mountains: (Durthang - Citadel | Orc Pit) 1000 Snaga Orcs
Mountains of Shadow: (Ciroth Ungol - Outpost | Orc Pit) 1000 Morgul Orcs, 2000 Snaga Orcs, 5 Great Spiders
Ash Plains: (Seregost - Citadel | Orc Pit) 2000 Morannon Orcs
Morgul Vale: (Minas Morgul - Bastion | Orc Pit) 6130 Morgul Orcs, 2000 Snaga Orcs, 5000 Uruks, 500 Black Uruks, 6 Trolls, 3 Great Beasts, 1 Grond, 5 Catapults
Dol Guldur: (Amon Lanc - Bastion | Orc Pit) 6050 Morannon Orcs, 990 Snaga Orcs, 500 Black Uruks, 5000 Uruks, 100 Warg Riders (Morannon), 40 Trolls, 10 Catapults, 1 Ram
South Vale of Mirkwood: (Tower of Eyes - Tower | Orc Pit - 1) 2000 Morannon Orcs, 1000 Snaga Orcs
Plain of Udun: (Isenmouthe - Fortress | Orc Pit) 1000 Morannon Orcs, 500 Snaga Orcs
Mithram Spur: (Nargroth - Fortress | Orc Pit) 1000 Morannon Orcs
Morgai: (Orc Pit) 1000 Morannon Orcs
Maegond Vale: (Orc Pit) 1000 Morannon Orcs
Nan Ungol: (Orc Pit) 1000 Morannon Orcs, 5 Great Spiders
Ered Glamoth: (Orc Pit) 1000 Morannon Orcs, 500 Snaga Orcs
Nurn: (Thaurband - Fortress | Orc Pit) 2000 Morannon Orcs, 2000 Snaga Orcs
Lilithland: (Orc Pit) 2000 Morannon Orcs, 500 Snaga Orcs
Nan Morlith: (Orc Pit) 1000 Morannon Orcs
Eastern Desolation: (Borderforts - Outpost | Orc Pit) 2000 Morannon Orcs, 500 Snaga Orcs
Northern Desolation: (Orc Pit - 2) 7000 Morannon Orcs, 100 Warg Rider (Morannon)
Passes of the Dead Marshes: (Angfalch - Outpost | Orc Pit) 1000 Morannon Orcs, 5000 Snaga Orcs
Southern Dagorlad: (Rargorim - Tower | Orc Pit) 500 Morannon Orcs
Eastern Dagorlad: (Rarnarthrim - Tower | Orc Pit - 1) 500 Morannon Orcs
Northern Ithilien: (Orc Pit - 1) 500 Morannon Orcs
Emyn Arnen: (Tower of Hurin - Tower | Orc Pit) 1000 Morgul Orcs
Southern Ithilien: 2000 Morgul Orcs
East Osgiliath: (Earnargal - Tower | Orc Pit -1) 15860 Morgul Orcs, 1500 Morannon Orcs, 8000 Uruks, 10 Catapults, 7 Trolls, 1 Grond
Eastern Harondor:
Cair Andros: (Redoubt of the North - Outpost | Orc Pit - 1) 500 Morannon Orcs, 500 Uruks
Eastern Anorien: 7000 Morannon Orcs, 15000 Snaga Orcs, 100 Warg Riders (Morannon), 1000 Black Uruks, 1000 Uruks, 5 Catapults, 10 Trolls
Central Anorien: 5000 Morannon Orcs, 500 Uruks, 5 Catapults, 5 Trolls (Himtalas - Tower | Orc Pit - 1)
Eastern Emyn Muil: (Uttmar - Tower | Orc Pit - 1) 1000 Morannon Orcs
Tol Brandir: (Ungband - Tower | Orc Pit - 1) 5000 Morannon Orcs, 10 Catapults
Vale of Dust: (Certharil - Tower | Orc Pit - 1) 500 Uruks

Gulp.
Basically guys, we're dead. Toast. Dead and buried.
I'm dead, look at Dol Guldur.
So is Gondor.
It was nice knowing you.

1.You could easely defeat Mordor at Dol Guldur...
2.Why attacking Moria?

[Limborg]

Pfah, G knows the art of war. He makes dangerous targets seem easy, and easy targets he makes hard. If he says that, we can be sure we can attack him straight on. Those halls and corridors are ideal for the Elven shield war. We have two Istari, and Elven lords on both sides. We'll be fine.

Hah. Erm, I'm not usually that tricky. Perhaps ICly. I mean, there are reasons even the victorious host of the Dwarves didn't attack Moria post Battle of Anizarbul, or whatever it was called. In the vast reaches of the Dwarrowdelf it is phenomenally easy to get surround and cut off by larger forces, not to mention the Dwarves designed it for defensive purposes. I can't imagine a way to breach Durin's Bridge, for instance, short of trying to build across the gap and make it wider under heavy enemy fire.

There where only two reasons why the dwarves didn't proceed into Khazad-Dûm. For one, there where to few surviviors and they lost the will to continue, and two, Durin's Bane. The Dwarves knew about him and knew that with the numbers/will they had left they would stand little to no chance.
The dwaves, if they would have more men and a better morale they would have proceded.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Ah, that rinds me Starlight, you should put up an Archive post.

[Limborg]

Ah, that rinds me Starlight, you should put up an Archive post.

Who? me?
I arleady have one.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Hah. Erm, I'm not usually that tricky. Perhaps ICly. I mean, there are reasons even the victorious host of the Dwarves didn't attack Moria post Battle of Anizarbul, or whatever it was called. In the vast reaches of the Dwarrowdelf it is phenomenally easy to get surround and cut off by larger forces, not to mention the Dwarves designed it for defensive purposes. I can't imagine a way to breach Durin's Bridge, for instance, short of trying to build across the gap and make it wider under heavy enemy fire.

There where only two reasons why the dwarves didn't proceed into Khazad-Dûm. For one, there where to few surviviors and they lost the will to continue, and two, Durin's Bane. The Dwarves knew about him and knew that with the numbers/will they had left they would stand little to no chance.
The dwaves, if they would have more men and a better morale they would have proceded.

In the movie, sure, tons of casualties.

In the book, nope. It was a decisive victory, and though there were casualties, none of the clans but the Longbeards wished to fight with Durin's Bane. It wasn't that Thorin had too few men; it seems likely he had several thousand soldiers ready for war, and certainly he had broken the backs of the Orcs and feared them not. Even with several thousand soldiers, Dain told him not to attempt to retake Moria.

Ah, that rinds me Starlight, you should put up an Archive post.

Who? me?
I arleady have one.

Hah, no, Starlight. Lorien.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Ah, and Dan, I'd refrain from posting more in Moria for a bit; iirc the Misty Mountain player meant to respond to you larking about one of his strongholds.

[Limborg]

There where only two reasons why the dwarves didn't proceed into Khazad-Dûm. For one, there where to few surviviors and they lost the will to continue, and two, Durin's Bane. The Dwarves knew about him and knew that with the numbers/will they had left they would stand little to no chance.
The dwaves, if they would have more men and a better morale they would have proceded.

In the movie, sure, tons of casualties.

In the book, nope. It was a decisive victory, and though there were casualties, none of the clans but the Longbeards wished to fight with Durin's Bane. It wasn't that Thorin had too few men; it seems likely he had several thousand soldiers ready for war, and certainly he had broken the backs of the Orcs and feared them not. Even with several thousand soldiers, Dain told him not to attempt to retake Moria.

Not really:

After the Orcs were routed, Thráin II, heir of Durin, wished to enter and reclaim Moria after the War. However, the Dwarves of Durin's folk were too few, and the Dwarves of the other six houses refused to get involved with Durin's Bane. The aftermath of the battle and the overall war resulted in heavy losses for all the dwarves involved, but virtually all of the Orcs infesting the Misty Mountains were destroyed, leaving only a handful left.

The reason why the other clans had no intrest in fighting Durin's Bane can be discussable, but the most likely reason is becouse of the already heavy casualties and all the great Dwarves who died, wich combined makes a low morale.
So like i said, the reason they didn't continued into Khazad-Dûm was becouse of the few men and low morale.

[Limborg]

Ah, and Dan, I'd refrain from posting more in Moria for a bit; iirc the Misty Mountain player meant to respond to you larking about one of his strongholds.

When?
I sended him a TG two days ago and haven't gotten any reply... I can't continue making one liners for Dwalin, he is needed elswhere aswell.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Ah, and Dan, I'd refrain from posting more in Moria for a bit; iirc the Misty Mountain player meant to respond to you larking about one of his strongholds.

When?
I sended him a TG two days ago and haven't gotten any reply... I can't continue making one liners for Dwalin, he is needed elswhere aswell.

Probably about then too; I understand the desire to have your characters be foot mobile (it's how I feel about my armies in Gondor), but moving in and out of one of his most heavily defended and populated fortresses without giving him a chance to respond would be rather poor.

[Limborg]

btw. for those that where discussing an elven attack on Khazad-Dûm, like said before, why?
But also, nobody (exept for Dwalin now) knows about Khazad-Dûm being in full controll of the orcs/Balrog... For the outside world its still being colonized by Balin.

[Limborg]

When?
I sended him a TG two days ago and haven't gotten any reply... I can't continue making one liners for Dwalin, he is needed elswhere aswell.

Probably about then too; I understand the desire to have your characters be foot mobile (it's how I feel about my armies in Gondor), but moving in and out of one of his most heavily defended and populated fortresses without giving him a chance to respond would be rather poor.

Well, its kinda my most important thing there... Word of Balin's dead and all would surely convince dwarvenclans of sending aid and all.
Anyhow, he still has time to reply, i will make the last post (Dwalin exiting Khazad-Dûm) around page 6 so probably in a day or two. Well, it wasn't heavily defended, or at least not by the orcs... Aslong as a person kept quiet he could wander around there for months without anyone knowing it. The orcs kept themselves to certain area's becouse of the Balrog, so they kept quiet and wouldn't do much unless it was serious.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Probably about then too; I understand the desire to have your characters be foot mobile (it's how I feel about my armies in Gondor), but moving in and out of one of his most heavily defended and populated fortresses without giving him a chance to respond would be rather poor.

Well, its kinda my most important thing there... Word of Balin's dead and all would surely convince dwarvenclans of sending aid and all.
Anyhow, he still has time to reply, i will make the last post (Dwalin exiting Khazad-Dûm) around page 6 so probably in a day or two. Well, it wasn't heavily defended, or at least not by the orcs... Aslong as a person kept quiet he could wander around there for months without anyone knowing it. The orcs kept themselves to certain area's becouse of the Balrog, so they kept quiet and wouldn't do much unless it was serious.

Yes, at the special time when the Fellowship was passing, there were no guards. But it's disingenuous to the Misty Mountains player to assume he utilizes the same (daft) stratagem. I always assume competence in fellow RPers, posting sentries, having supplies, etc.

More to the point, why would Balin being dead unite the clans?

[Bearon]

I now have 3,000 goblins I don't know what to do with. Maybe I should attack Lorien.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Alright time to attack Lorien. Muahahaha.

Shh, you're giving way the secrets of plan Embossed Smokey Bear!

[Bearon]

Oops sorry.

Just a question. I know that elves are stronger than goblins and orcs but if they're completely outnumbered can they just be swarmed over and beaten?

[The Starlight]

This especially is scaring me...
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=300980
Behold the almighty forces of Mordor-



Gulp.
Basically guys, we're dead. Toast. Dead and buried.
I'm dead, look at Dol Guldur.
So is Gondor.
It was nice knowing you.

1.You could easely defeat Mordor at Dol Guldur...
2.Why attacking Moria?

Not exactly, whoever attacks across the river will be sitting ducks for any archers. That's why I'm just waiting for them to attack to show them why they should fear elven markmanship.
We are attacking Moria because the Council knows that the dwarves are dead and that something evil is there.