The Third Age: A Lord of the Rings RP (OOC)

[The Starlight]

How many troops should I have as Dale? Just wanted to ask that before I make an app.

Also who's Dan? ( I know I just made people gasp just not who... )

I think Dan is Limborg.

[Bearon]

Can an OP tell me how many troops Dale would have so I can make an app?

[The Starlight]

And Shaggai, I gave you several options in my post. Please respond to all of them. Also what right do you have to the forest? The elves were there a long time ago, as said ICly.

[Bearon]

And Shaggai, I gave you several options in my post. Please respond to all of them. Also what right do you have to the forest? The elves were there a long time ago, as said ICly.

Well if truth be told the spiders have been their almost as long as the elves migrating their from their ancestors the many spawn of Ungoliant.

[The Starlight]

And Shaggai, I gave you several options in my post. Please respond to all of them. Also what right do you have to the forest? The elves were there a long time ago, as said ICly.

Well if truth be told the spiders have been their almost as long as the elves migrating their from their ancestors the many spawn of Ungoliant.

Well, I actually looked this up:

Mirkwood dates back to the earliest days of Middle-earth. The Elves passed through it on their Great Journey from Cuiviénen into the Far West - it was where they made their first long stop before continuing onward. Thereafter, Mirkwood was the dwelling of the Wood-elves (the Nandor, elves descending from the wandering Teleri elf Lenwë) for many thousands of years. The Sindarin elf Oropher, the grandfather of Legolas, established the Woodland Realm proper, and it become the primary settlement of the elves from the Second Age onward. It was around this time that Men, possibly ancestors of the Northmen, began making permanent settlements in and around the forest. When Oropher was killed in the War of the Last Alliance, the kingship passed to his son Thranduil.

Mirkwood had been called Greenwood the Great until around the year TA 1050 of the Years of the Sun, when the shadow of the Dark Lord Sauron fell upon it, and men began to call it Mirkwood, or Taur-nu-Fuin and Taur-e-Ndaedelos in the Sindarin tongue. From then on, Mirkwood became a haunted place inhabited by many dark and savage things. Sauron established himself at the hill-fortress of Dol Guldur on Amon Lanc within its southern region, and drove Thranduil and his people ever northward, so that by the end of the Third Age they were a diminished and wary people, who had entrenched themselves within the Mountains of Mirkwood. The Old Forest Road (also called the Old Dwarf Road) crossed the forest east to west, but because it was so close to Dol Guldur the road was mostly unusable. The elves then made a path farther to the north, which ended somewhere in the marshes south of the Long Lake of Esgaroth or Laketown.
http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Mirkwood

Also,

They lived in the South of Middle-Earth in the First Age, but by the Third Age they had spread to other areas including Mirkwood. They were descended from the spider-creatures of the Ered Gorgoroth (Mountains of Terror). Giant Spiders infested the great forest of Greenwood the Great after the shadow of Sauron fell upon it and it became known as Mirkwood.

http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Giant_Spiders

So you see, I am right! Why do spiders want a forest anyway? That always had me confused.

[Bearon]

Well if truth be told the spiders have been their almost as long as the elves migrating their from their ancestors the many spawn of Ungoliant.

Well, I actually looked this up:

Mirkwood dates back to the earliest days of Middle-earth. The Elves passed through it on their Great Journey from Cuiviénen into the Far West - it was where they made their first long stop before continuing onward. Thereafter, Mirkwood was the dwelling of the Wood-elves (the Nandor, elves descending from the wandering Teleri elf Lenwë) for many thousands of years. The Sindarin elf Oropher, the grandfather of Legolas, established the Woodland Realm proper, and it become the primary settlement of the elves from the Second Age onward. It was around this time that Men, possibly ancestors of the Northmen, began making permanent settlements in and around the forest. When Oropher was killed in the War of the Last Alliance, the kingship passed to his son Thranduil.

Mirkwood had been called Greenwood the Great until around the year TA 1050 of the Years of the Sun, when the shadow of the Dark Lord Sauron fell upon it, and men began to call it Mirkwood, or Taur-nu-Fuin and Taur-e-Ndaedelos in the Sindarin tongue. From then on, Mirkwood became a haunted place inhabited by many dark and savage things. Sauron established himself at the hill-fortress of Dol Guldur on Amon Lanc within its southern region, and drove Thranduil and his people ever northward, so that by the end of the Third Age they were a diminished and wary people, who had entrenched themselves within the Mountains of Mirkwood. The Old Forest Road (also called the Old Dwarf Road) crossed the forest east to west, but because it was so close to Dol Guldur the road was mostly unusable. The elves then made a path farther to the north, which ended somewhere in the marshes south of the Long Lake of Esgaroth or Laketown.
http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Mirkwood

Also,

They lived in the South of Middle-Earth in the First Age, but by the Third Age they had spread to other areas including Mirkwood. They were descended from the spider-creatures of the Ered Gorgoroth (Mountains of Terror). Giant Spiders infested the great forest of Greenwood the Great after the shadow of Sauron fell upon it and it became known as Mirkwood.

http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Giant_Spiders

So you see, I am right! Why do spiders want a forest anyway? That always had me confused.

It doesn't necessarily mean they came when Sauron came just that they grew in number.

Also maybe they want it because it's... mirky. Badum tsss.

[The Starlight]

That makes no sense what so ever.

[Bearon]

That makes no sense what so ever.

Nope.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Nah, Starlight is right. The spiders came to Greenwood thousands upon thousands of years after the first elves settled.

[Liecthenbourg]

Can an OP tell me how many troops Dale would have so I can make an app?

Essentially, post the app with half the soldiers Dale would have originally.
Then just add recruitment for them for the pages they've missed.

[G-Tech Corporation]

I hate to say this Elerian, but I doubt you'll be receiving reinforcements from the Pelargir, nor building a barracks in it; the Orcs of Mordor have been the masters of its walls these two months now.

Also, how many men do you think you lost in the rearguard action of your retreat?

[Maineiacs]

Nah, Starlight is right. The spiders came to Greenwood thousands upon thousands of years after the first elves settled.

Wouldn't it have been after Sauron arrived at Dol Guldur?

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Nah, Starlight is right. The spiders came to Greenwood thousands upon thousands of years after the first elves settled.

Wouldn't it have been after Sauron arrived at Dol Guldur?

It was around that time, yes. TA 1000, thereabouts. The elves came there in the First Age, thousands of years before the Third Age.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Wouldn't it have been after Sauron arrived at Dol Guldur?

It was around that time, yes. TA 1000, thereabouts. The elves came there in the First Age, thousands of years before the Third Age.

Mind you, the reality of a situation doesn't necessarily have a bearing on what sides in a war claim

[Bearon]

It was around that time, yes. TA 1000, thereabouts. The elves came there in the First Age, thousands of years before the Third Age.

Mind you, the reality of a situation doesn't necessarily have a bearing on what sides in a war claim

Alright then how many troops would Dale have had originally? 5,000 lesser men of mixed spearmen and archers?

[G-Tech Corporation]

Mind you, the reality of a situation doesn't necessarily have a bearing on what sides in a war claim

Alright then how many troops would Dale have had originally? 5,000 lesser men of mixed spearmen and archers?

Tolkien Gateway would indicate 20k soldiers at the time of the War of the Ring, so take 10,000 as a base figure, then add to that ten pages of 2000 strength worth of recruitment.

[Jordslag]

Alright then how many troops would Dale have had originally? 5,000 lesser men of mixed spearmen and archers?

Tolkien Gateway would indicate 20k soldiers at the time of the War of the Ring, so take 10,000 as a base figure, then add to that ten pages of 2000 strength worth of recruitment.

So, 6 Dale soldiers for every 1 of my Orcs.

[Bearon]

Around 17,000 soldiers? Hot damn.

[Jordslag]

Around 17,000 soldiers? Hot damn.

12,000 is more accurate.

[Bearon]

Around 17,000 soldiers? Hot damn.

12,000 is more accurate.

He said 10,000 + 20,000 command points. These are lesser men so they only cost 3 for each of them.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

It was around that time, yes. TA 1000, thereabouts. The elves came there in the First Age, thousands of years before the Third Age.

Mind you, the reality of a situation doesn't necessarily have a bearing on what sides in a war claim

History is like a piece of steel. To fashion it into a weapon, you must know its true properties. So, I gave OOC realities. What the spiders fabricate is their business.

[Bearon]

Realm: Dale.
Leader: Brand.
Race(s): Men of Dale.
History: http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Dale
Alignment: Good.
Goal(s): Expansion of Dale and the defeat of Mordor.
Territory: Dale.
Fortresses: Lake Town.
Strength: 10,000 Dale Spearman, 7,000 Dale Archers.

[Jordslag]

12,000 is more accurate.

He said 10,000 + 20,000 command points. These are lesser men so they only cost 3 for each of them.

He said 2000.

[Bearon]

Alright then how many troops would Dale have had originally? 5,000 lesser men of mixed spearmen and archers?

Tolkien Gateway would indicate 20k soldiers at the time of the War of the Ring, so take 10,000 as a base figure, then add to that ten pages of 2000 strength worth of recruitment.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Around 17,000 soldiers? Hot damn.

Mind you, I'm not particularly sure about the automatically collected recruitment for NPCs; I'll talk to Liec about that later. But it'll be somewhere near that ballpark in all likelihood.