The Third Age: A Lord of the Rings RP (OOC)

[Limborg]

btw. how much did Isengard cutted down from fangorn exactly?

[G-Tech Corporation]

Realm: Petty Kingdom of Tharbad

Leader: Imradis Logain

Race(s): Human, Hobbit, and a little bit of Elf

History: http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Tharbad

Alignment: Neutralish, if any orcs rear their ugly heads there gonna get shanked.

Goal(s): Create a greater kingdom, survive, Impeach Sauron

Territory: Tharbad and its surrounding lands.

Fortresses: Tharbad (Needs some repairs)

Strength: (All of these are lesser men)
3,000 Men of Tharbad (Basically militiamen)
2,000 Guards of Tharbad (Kinda like Gondor soldiers except shittier)
1,000 Archers of Tharbad
500 Militia Cavalrymen

Hmm, I like the concept (as I said earlier), but those numbers might be a bit excessive. The cav is good, but iirc Minhiriath was largely depopulated, with the main population base being along the coast as a humble fisher folk, and some few forest men and hunters. The Great Plague did quite a number on it. Considering Gondor was accepted with twelve thousand soldiers, giving you half their strength seems a bit high. Perhaps 2000 Men of Tharbad, 500 Guards, and 500 Archers? I'm assuming your Men are Higher?

As far as burning versus cutting Fangorn; let me point you to the example of slash-and-burn. I know for a fact that far more land is cleared by burning in the Tropics than is cut down by hand. In Madagascar, for instance, yearly burns grow so out of control that they often remove nearly fifty percent of the available tree area, and that's a rainy part of the continent assuredly. Burning rainforest works, as does burning temperate forests; you simply need to get the blaze going, and then you've got a forest fire. Sure, putting a match to a wet branch will fail. But cut down part of the forest, pile it near the uncut part, light it, and you'll see a blaze in no time.

Difference is, Madagascar is a hot country, wich makes fire spreading alot easier. Fangorn would be a cold chilly place. take the forests of Southern Germany as example.. You don't burn them down just like that. Again, nature fisics.

Eh? I'm not following you; temperature has little to do with most forest fires. Rainfall is by far the more important metric. South Germany gets a good amount of rain, but you could still definitely set a forest fire there if so desire. And you certainly wouldn't burn the whole thing down, that would be daft, but there's no reason a fire couldn't be large and spread significantly before inclement weather or winds doused it.

[Bearon]

El youll still RP as the dragon right? Also I'm pretty sure that Fangorn is no wetter then other forests and regardless wet trees still burn. Also what is the exact reinforcement count G?

[The Starlight]

Yes, but they pretty much all died in the effort. Instead, please play as Mirkwood. I'm in dire need of some help here.

Dale is more important, where do you think Rhûn will march on? exactly. Dwarves don't care, and as long as i don't chose any side i will be pretty safe from any attack (exept from the Misty Mountains and all), So Rhûn would march to you, without anyone stopping them. Therefor a Dale is needed. Dale can kinda force Erebor to chose sides, and with Dale, the dwarves can hold the forces of Rhûn while you deal with Dol Guldur.

Using the same logic, Rhun will march on Mirkwood and link with Mordor, unless someone plays as Mordor. Besides, I'm not super confident about dealing with Dol Guldur at the moment.

[Elerian]

El youll still RP as the dragon right? Also I'm pretty sure that Fangorn is no wetter then other forests and regardless wet trees still burn. Also what is the exact reinforcement count G?

Yes, Katla will still have her reign of terror.

@ G

They are lesser men actually, not greater.

[Bearon]

btw. Bearon and Liech... What's up now with the Blue mountains thing?

Why would i need to get aid from my own troops? 15,000 VS 3,000 is an easy fight, no need for any aid or whatever...

You need to use your own troops to drive out the goblins otherwise the dwarves of the Blue Mountain will give you no aid.

[G-Tech Corporation]

El youll still RP as the dragon right? Also I'm pretty sure that Fangorn is no wetter then other forests and regardless wet trees still burn. Also what is the exact reinforcement count G?

Currently several thousand; about eight, offhand.

@ Elerian: Oh? Wasn't that area under the reign of Gondor of old? Hmm, I suppose maybe their bloodlines mixed. It still seems a bit high, when you consider that that means the area of Minhiriath likely has a population of tens of thousands, which is a bit different than how its portrayed canonically. Intellectually speaking, several thousand soldiers, 3-5, would make more sense.

[Limborg]

Realm: Petty Kingdom of Tharbad

Leader: Imradis Logain

Race(s): Human, Hobbit, and a little bit of Elf

History: http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Tharbad

Alignment: Neutralish, if any orcs rear their ugly heads there gonna get shanked.

Goal(s): Create a greater kingdom, survive, Impeach Sauron

Territory: Tharbad and its surrounding lands.

Fortresses: Tharbad (Needs some repairs)

Strength: (All of these are lesser men)
3,000 Men of Tharbad (Basically militiamen)
2,000 Guards of Tharbad (Kinda like Gondor soldiers except shittier)
1,000 Archers of Tharbad
500 Militia Cavalrymen

Hmm, I like the concept (as I said earlier), but those numbers might be a bit excessive. The cav is good, but iirc Minhiriath was largely depopulated, with the main population base being along the coast as a humble fisher folk, and some few forest men and hunters. The Great Plague did quite a number on it. Considering Gondor was accepted with twelve thousand soldiers, giving you half their strength seems a bit high. Perhaps 2000 Men of Tharbad, 500 Guards, and 500 Archers? I'm assuming your Men are Higher?

Difference is, Madagascar is a hot country, wich makes fire spreading alot easier. Fangorn would be a cold chilly place. take the forests of Southern Germany as example.. You don't burn them down just like that. Again, nature fisics.

Eh? I'm not following you; temperature has little to do with most forest fires. Rainfall is by far the more important metric. South Germany gets a good amount of rain, but you could still definitely set a forest fire there if so desire. And you certainly wouldn't burn the whole thing down, that would be daft, but there's no reason a fire couldn't be large and spread significantly before inclement weather or winds doused it.

You seen the German forest fire records? They are very low and those that occured only burned a ver small part. Wich again, makes it pretty damn certain that burning Fangorn would be the same as trying to knock down a wall with a spoon. It takes ages.
In the end, a forrest like Fangorn is much easier to cut down then to burn down.
But again the question, how much did he already cut down and when are the ents & hourns finding out?

[Limborg]

btw. Bearon and Liech... What's up now with the Blue mountains thing?

Why would i need to get aid from my own troops? 15,000 VS 3,000 is an easy fight, no need for any aid or whatever...

You need to use your own troops to drive out the goblins otherwise the dwarves of the Blue Mountain will give you no aid.

?
Ealier you said i could use the forces of the Blue mountains...

[The Starlight]

My Lorien application
Realm: Lórien
Leader: Galadriel(will be my character) and Celeborn
Race(s):Silvan Elf
History: http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Lothl%C3%B3rien
Alignment: Good, of course
Goal(s): Cement a permanent and safe dwelling in Middle-Earth, keep elves from departing over the sea, Create a safe haven for the elves and expand territory to part of Fangorn Forest, and the rivers Nimrodel, Gladden and the field of Celebrant.
Territory: Lothlorien forest.
Fortresses: Lothlorien forest, with small outposts within the forest.
Strength: 100 Wardens of Lorien and 500 Galadhrim Warriors, 5 light ships

Character- Lady Galadriel

Name: Galadriel, Lady of Light
Race: Noldor, House of Finarfin
(Image)
Role: Lady of Lorien, founder and member of the White Council, wielder of a Ring of Power, Nenya
Alignment:Good
History:Born in Valinor and departed over the sea to follow Feanor in the war of the Silmarils, later married Celeborn and founded Lorien.
Other: Uses Mirror of Galadriel.

Looking back at my application, do you guys think that 600 elven soldiers is too low? And if so, how much then?

[The Starlight]

All this talk about burn down Fangorn is making me worried. How about no one burns down Fangorn and we all live peacefully and happily? Alright?

[Elerian]

@ Elerian: Oh? Wasn't that area under the reign of Gondor of old? Hmm, I suppose maybe their bloodlines mixed. It still seems a bit high, when you consider that that means the area of Minhiriath likely has a population of tens of thousands, which is a bit different than how its portrayed canonically. Intellectually speaking, several thousand soldiers, 3-5, would make more sense.

I was thinking that he brought some people from the North near Dunland and Bree to help resettle Tharbad seeing as the town is supposedly deserted at the start of the Third age. And to get there he would need quite a few guards, probably quite a few to get the roads clear again and to protect his lands.

[The Starlight]

Just realized looking at the map, is anyone playing as Aragorn to recreate the Kingdom of Arnor? Because that's a very important part of all this.

[Elerian]

My Lorien application
Realm: Lórien
Leader: Galadriel(will be my character) and Celeborn
Race(s):Silvan Elf
History: http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Lothl%C3%B3rien
Alignment: Good, of course
Goal(s): Cement a permanent and safe dwelling in Middle-Earth, keep elves from departing over the sea, Create a safe haven for the elves and expand territory to part of Fangorn Forest, and the rivers Nimrodel, Gladden and the field of Celebrant.
Territory: Lothlorien forest.
Fortresses: Lothlorien forest, with small outposts within the forest.
Strength: 100 Wardens of Lorien and 500 Galadhrim Warriors, 5 light ships

Character- Lady Galadriel

Name: Galadriel, Lady of Light
Race: Noldor, House of Finarfin
(Image)
Role: Lady of Lorien, founder and member of the White Council, wielder of a Ring of Power, Nenya
Alignment:Good
History:Born in Valinor and departed over the sea to follow Feanor in the war of the Silmarils, later married Celeborn and founded Lorien.
Other: Uses Mirror of Galadriel.

Looking back at my application, do you guys think that 600 elven soldiers is too low? And if so, how much then?

Probably a thousand or thousand and a half.

[Bearon]

Never mind then you're not understanding. Use your own. Also I doubt the wheather of Fangorn is high on rainfall given the geography.

[Bearon]

Oh and 8,000 Orcs is perfect G.

[G-Tech Corporation]

You seen the German forest fire records? They are very low and those that occured only burned a ver small part. Wich again, makes it pretty damn certain that burning Fangorn would be the same as trying to knock down a wall with a spoon. It takes ages.
In the end, a forrest like Fangorn is much easier to cut down then to burn down.
But again the question, how much did he already cut down and when are the ents & hourns finding out?

Erm, Germany has hundreds of forest fires every year. The main reason they aren't as large as the ones here is because Germany has very little in the way of actual wilderness in which fires can build steam and power before being detected and dealt with. Here's an account from 2008 that notes over 800 fires occured in Germany that year in arboreal areas. http://www.waldwissen.net/waldwirtschaf ... 1/index_EN

Even so, comparing an area noted for good fire suppression and urbanized areas, as well as controlled forestry, to a large wild unpopulated area, is simply disengenious. Let's consider this;

http://www.weather-and-climate.com/aver ... en,Germany: On average, about 90mm of rain every year.

http://madagascarrf.weebly.com/rainfall.html: On average, 200 cm of rainfall every year. Centimeters, not milimeters.

Madagascar burns like a torch.

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Natura ... p?id=35499

[The Starlight]

You seen the German forest fire records? They are very low and those that occured only burned a ver small part. Wich again, makes it pretty damn certain that burning Fangorn would be the same as trying to knock down a wall with a spoon. It takes ages.
In the end, a forrest like Fangorn is much easier to cut down then to burn down.
But again the question, how much did he already cut down and when are the ents & hourns finding out?

Erm, Germany has hundreds of forest fires every year. The main reason they aren't as large as the ones here is because Germany has very little in the way of actual wilderness in which fires can build steam and power before being detected and dealt with. Here's an account from 2008 that notes over 800 fires occured in Germany that year in arboreal areas. http://www.waldwissen.net/waldwirtschaf ... 1/index_EN

Even so, comparing an area noted for good fire suppression and urbanized areas, as well as controlled forestry, to a large wild unpopulated area, is simply disengenious. Let's consider this;

http://www.weather-and-climate.com/aver ... en,Germany: On average, about 90mm of rain every year.

http://madagascarrf.weebly.com/rainfall.html: On average, 200 cm of rainfall every year. Centimeters, not milimeters.

Madagascar burns like a torch.

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Natura ... p?id=35499

Please, don't burn down Fangorn. Besides you don't want to make the currently neutral ents angry enough to join my elves.

[The Starlight]

Looking back at my application, do you guys think that 600 elven soldiers is too low? And if so, how much then?

Probably a thousand or thousand and a half.

Thanks! I'll change it to that.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Probably a thousand or thousand and a half.

Thanks! I'll change it to that.

LotR RPG puts their number of soldiers at 100 Warders and 1200 Guards, so that's reasonable.

Hmm, though now that I say that, all of us have been halving our canon numbers. So 600 seems like the acceptable figure.

[Elves of Mirkwood]

Hey, it's Castanias.

Name: Elves of Mirkwood, or just Mirkwood

Race(s):
Great Spiders(tamed), Lesser Spiders (tamed), Higher Men, Elves (Archers, Pike-men, Swordsmen [infantry]) Silvan Elves & Sindarin Elves

Military:
Higher Men: 3.75 - 40 Higher Men... Total: 40, Points 150
Elves: 6.75 (Archers, Pike-men, & Swordsmen [infantry]) - Archers, 100 - Pike-men, 30 - Swordsmen, 70... Total: 200 Elves, Points 1350
Elvin Spider-Riders: 10? - 50 E.S-R... Total: 50, Points 500

Alignment:
Neutral unless attacked, possible Lórien allies

Character name:
Thranduil (When you put me down as character just put Castanias next to it)

History of Mirkwood:
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Elves_of_Mirkwood

Other:
Construction of Barracks; 2 IC to go.

[Bearon]

Ask permission for the numbers first.

[Elerian]

Erm, Germany has hundreds of forest fires every year. The main reason they aren't as large as the ones here is because Germany has very little in the way of actual wilderness in which fires can build steam and power before being detected and dealt with. Here's an account from 2008 that notes over 800 fires occured in Germany that year in arboreal areas. http://www.waldwissen.net/waldwirtschaf ... 1/index_EN

Even so, comparing an area noted for good fire suppression and urbanized areas, as well as controlled forestry, to a large wild unpopulated area, is simply disengenious. Let's consider this;

http://www.weather-and-climate.com/aver ... en,Germany: On average, about 90mm of rain every year.

http://madagascarrf.weebly.com/rainfall.html: On average, 200 cm of rainfall every year. Centimeters, not milimeters.

Madagascar burns like a torch.

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Natura ... p?id=35499

Please, don't burn down Fangorn. Besides you don't want to make the currently neutral ents angry enough to join my elves.

It doesn't matter to me. Unless the Ents learn how to climb then i'm golden.

[Bearon]

Hey, it's Castanias.

Name: Elves of Mirkwood, or just Mirkwood

Race(s):
Great Spiders(tamed), Lesser Spiders (tamed), Higher Men, Elves (Archers, Pike-men, Swordsmen [infantry]

Military:
Higher Men: 3.75 - 40 Higher Men... Total: 40, Points 150
Elves: 6.75 (Archers, Pike-men, & Swordsmen [infantry]) - Archers, 100 - Pike-men, 30 - Swordsmen, 70... Total: 200 Elves, Points 1350
Elvin Spider-Riders: 10? - 50 E.S-R... Total: 50, Points 500

Alignment:
Neutral unless attacked, possible Lórien allies

Character name:
Thranduil (When you put me down as character just put Castanias next to it)

History of Mirkwood:
http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Elves_of_Mirkwood

Other:
N/A

Tamed spiders?

[Bearon]

Please, don't burn down Fangorn. Besides you don't want to make the currently neutral ents angry enough to join my elves.

It doesn't matter to me. Unless the Ents learn how to climb then i'm golden.

Be careful of the elves. Also what's your price for this?