AWWA Part III-The Great War(OOC-Now Closed)

[Kargintina]

correction : WE will have Madagascar

Alright.

However, I plan that Chinese will be a majority in OTL Antsiranana Province, Mahajanga Province, and Toamasina Province, a plurality in Antananarivo Provincce and Fianarantsoa Province, and Francophones a majority in Toliara Province.

I think that after 1956, you can RP the Francophones and the Provincial government of Toliara Province, while I RP the rest of the provinces of Madagascar, plus Parliament (though I plan that a not!Parti Quebecois/Bloc Quebecois would start gaining seats in the early 1980s, becoming Official Opposition in 1992 which you can RP). The 1980 referendum on Toliaran secession fails, but the 1995 will be up to you.

Okay

[Kargintina]

I need Boji and Shrill to respond to my post

[Luziyca]

I need Boji and Shrill to respond to my post

Ah.

I posted something involving the gongren rebellion in Madagascar.

[Kargintina]

I need Boji and Shrill to respond to my post

Ah.

I posted something involving the gongren rebellion in Madagascar.

Kk

[Kargintina]

Netherlands, your not getting those lands. Sorry if it sounds harsh.

[Unicario]

Netherlands, your not getting those lands

That's a load of crap. Doesn't change the fact that the Netherlands is entering the war at the behest of it's allies (Britain and Japan

[Kargintina]

Netherlands, your not getting those lands

That's a load of crap. Doesn't change the fact that the Netherlands is entering the war at the behest of it's allies (Britain and Japan)

You can enter the war, but just because Germany says you can have the lands doesn't mean France did. Besides, Germany isn't even at war with us yet.

[Unicario]

I think it's a load of bullshit that Japan and Rum are going to suffer permanent territorial losses while everyone else just white peaces out. That's just bullshit. If this truly is a Great War, others have to sacrifice territory too, because then it's just a "let's see how much land we can extort from Unicario" contest. Which Ruri is winning, by the way, by extorting Hawaii, Rumelia and Macedonia.

Japan is going to use the whole "we fought the hardest" against everyone, considering now I have to fight an invasion of Indochina, Meiji Islands and Okinawa, since Ruri somehow talked me into Japan's entire naval defense collapsing and the CSA magically landing forces all over the place. I'm thinking of just retconning that and going back to the CSA gets smashed at Midway and Manila.

This has to be more of a "everyone is unhappy" rather than "CSA massively rips Japan a new one, Rum gets the shit beat out of it by Yugoslavia, France loses nothing" war. I thought this war was going to be a bitter disappointment to everyone? Feels like it's just a bitter annoyance to me, and great for everyone else. >_>

[Luziyca]

Chinese in the Chinese Commonwealth
中國的聯邦中國
Total population of Chinese in the Chinese Commonwealth in 1960: 612.77 million
Total population of Chinese in the Chinese Commonwealth in 2010: 1,563.82 million
Han Chinese (Mainlanders) - 內地
Population: 581.3 million (1960), 1.5 billion (2010)
Majority of their population: China (87.1% in 1960, 72.2% in 2010)
Common languages: Mandarin (Standard Chinese), English, Mongol, Tibetan, and Cantonese
Most common religion: Confucianism/Taoism
Symbol: Blue Sky and White Sun

Heijiao (Black Feet or Blackfoot) - 黑腳
Population: 14.9 million (1960), 33.7 million (2010)
Majority of their population: Kenya (50% in 1960, 0.01% in 2010), Madagascar (0% in 1960, 10% in 2010), China (0% in 1960, 1.7% in 2010)
Common languages: Kenyan Chinese (Chinese with lots of African loanwords), Mandarin, Swahili, English and Maldivian
Most common religion: Buddhism
Symbol: Black footprints

Gongren (Laborers) - 工人
Population: 12.65 million (1960), 24.3 million (2010)
Majority of their population: Madagascar (71% in 1960, 78% in 2010)
Common languages: Malagasy Chinese (Chinese with Malagasy loan words), French, Mandarin, English and German
Most common religion: Buddhism
Symbol: A pickaxe

Afghan Hui/Xihui - 阿暉/西輝
Population: 1.75 million (1960), 2.8 million (2010)
Majority of their population: Afghanistan (15.9% in 1960, 0.5% in 2010), China (0% in 1960, 0.16% in 2010)
Common languages: Mandarin, Pashto, Dari, Tajik, and Uzbek
Most common religion: Islam
Symbol: Black, red and green

Dungans (Central Asian Chinese) - 東幹人
Population: 1.3 million (1960), 1.9 million (2010)
Majority of their population: Kyrgyzstan (5.3% in 1960, 16.4% in 2010), Uzbekistan (0% in 1960, 0.3% in 2010), Turkmenistan (0.1% in 1960, 1.9% in 2010), Tajikistan (0.1% in 1960, 1.25% in 2010)
Common languages: Kyrgyz, Uzbek, Turkmen, Tajik and Kazakh
Most common religion: Islam
Symbol: Red crescent and star

Xinren (Heartlanders) - 心人
Population: 0.7 million (1960), 1.1 million (2010)
Majority of the population: Xintudi (Chagos Islands, 98% in 1960, 97% in 2010)
Common languages: Chagos Chinese (Chinese based creole with lots of Maldivian and Sinhala loanwords), Mandarin, English, Maldivian and English
Most common religion: Taoism/Confucianism
Symbol: Palm leaf

Xiayi (Southern Ainu) - 蝦夷人
Population: 175,574 (1960), 320,137 (2010)
Majority of the population: Kamuy-Mosir (Crozet Islands, Kerguelen Islands, Saint-Paul Island and Amsterdam Island, 99% in 1960, 80% in 2010)
Common languages: Xiayi Chinese (Ainu based creole with Chinese words), Mandarin, English, Japanese, French
Most common religion: Confucianism
Symbol: Bear

Xihui (Western Hui)/Maldivian Hui - 西輝/馬慧
Population: 4,488 (1960), 33 (2010)
Majority of the population: Maldives (5% in 1960, essentially none in 2010)
Common languages: Maldivian, Mandarin, Uighur, Arabic and Swahili
Most common religion: Islam
Symbol: Green crescent and star

[Bojikami]

I need Boji and Shrill to respond to my post

I did respond.

[Bojikami]

I think it's a load of bullshit that Japan and Rum are going to suffer permanent territorial losses while everyone else just white peaces out. That's just bullshit. If this truly is a Great War, others have to sacrifice territory too, because then it's just a "let's see how much land we can extort from Unicario" contest. Which Ruri is winning, by the way, by extorting Hawaii, Rumelia and Macedonia.

Japan is going to use the whole "we fought the hardest" against everyone, considering now I have to fight an invasion of Indochina, Meiji Islands and Okinawa, since Ruri somehow talked me into Japan's entire naval defense collapsing and the CSA magically landing forces all over the place. I'm thinking of just retconning that and going back to the CSA gets smashed at Midway and Manila.

This has to be more of a "everyone is unhappy" rather than "CSA massively rips Japan a new one, Rum gets the shit beat out of it by Yugoslavia, France loses nothing" war. I thought this war was going to be a bitter disappointment to everyone? Feels like it's just a bitter annoyance to me, and great for everyone else. >_>

Well, as a result of the war, Tsar Viktor is executed for treason and the division between the Romanians and Ukrainians grow as a result of another Ukrainian taking the throne, Roma Italia's economy is permanently damaged and it is forced to give up its colonies, Venezuela's naval capability for years to come is crippled, and the Ilkhanate, well you got me there.

I feel somewhat similar, though Uni.

[Unicario]

What's the point of RPing Japan spending over a hundred years on naval defence, and homeland security from an OBVIOUS invasion threat from East and West, if the CSA can simply overrun it without a sweat? I'm not happy that everything I do to make my country strong doesn't matter since you know, GOTTA GET THAT MANIFEST DESTINY!

[Bojikami]

I feel sold out like a cheap whore.

Well, I mean, we did talk about the royal marriage between the Khagan of the Ilkhanate and some Ottoman, thus bringing the countries into a personal union.

[Unicario]

I feel sold out like a cheap whore.

Well, I mean, we did talk about the royal marriage between the Khagan of the Ilkhanate and some Ottoman, thus bringing the countries into a personal union.

That would end with a hostile revolution in 1979 leading to Rum gaining a permanent enemy to it's eastern border. >_>

What's the point of RPing Japan spending over a hundred years mastering and perfecting itself on naval defence, and homeland security from an OBVIOUS invasion threat from East and West, if the CSA can simply overrun it without a sweat? I'm not happy that everything I do to make my country strong doesn't matter since you know, GOTTA GET THAT MANIFEST DESTINY!

Point still stands.

[Bojikami]

Well, I mean, we did talk about the royal marriage between the Khagan of the Ilkhanate and some Ottoman, thus bringing the countries into a personal union.

That would end with a hostile revolution in 1979 leading to Rum gaining a permanent enemy to it's eastern border. >_>

What's the point of RPing Japan spending over a hundred years on naval defence, and homeland security from an OBVIOUS invasion threat from East and West, if the CSA can simply overrun it without a sweat? I'm not happy that everything I do to make my country strong doesn't matter since you know, GOTTA GET THAT MANIFEST DESTINY!

Point still stands.

True... Well as I posted above, not everyone is getting away from the war happily.

[The Vaktovian Empire]

I think it's a load of bullshit that Japan and Rum are going to suffer permanent territorial losses while everyone else just white peaces out. That's just bullshit. If this truly is a Great War, others have to sacrifice territory too, because then it's just a "let's see how much land we can extort from Unicario" contest. Which Ruri is winning, by the way, by extorting Hawaii, Rumelia and Macedonia.

Japan is going to use the whole "we fought the hardest" against everyone, considering now I have to fight an invasion of Indochina, Meiji Islands and Okinawa, since Ruri somehow talked me into Japan's entire naval defense collapsing and the CSA magically landing forces all over the place. I'm thinking of just retconning that and going back to the CSA gets smashed at Midway and Manila.

This has to be more of a "everyone is unhappy" rather than "CSA massively rips Japan a new one, Rum gets the shit beat out of it by Yugoslavia, France loses nothing" war. I thought this war was going to be a bitter disappointment to everyone? Feels like it's just a bitter annoyance to me, and great for everyone else. >_>

Well, Norway and Sweden aren't going to feel the blunt force of the Great War since mainly they're staying neutral. Neither will Afghanistan, but Post-War 1907 it will. However, will it make you feel any better that Spain and Andalusia are going to butt heads so badly that there will be thousands of casualties? And that Brazil (If I do play as them which I fully intend to) is going to suffer a rebellion and lose Amapa?

[Unicario]

Not really, but okay...

[Bojikami]

Not really, but okay...

If Japan is angry at its losses, Ukraine, Iran, Venezuela, and Italy will seek its friendship in a few decades.

[Unicario]

Not really, but okay...

If Japan is angry at its losses, Ukraine, Iran, Venezuela, and Italy will seek its friendship in a few decades.

What's the point of having Japan being angry? Ruri has said that Hawaii is forever lost to Japan. So I'm going to have Japan just get over the matter, because I'm not waging a second bloody war for nothing.

[Luziyca]

Alright.

However, I plan that Chinese will be a majority in OTL Antsiranana Province, Mahajanga Province, and Toamasina Province, a plurality in Antananarivo Provincce and Fianarantsoa Province, and Francophones a majority in Toliara Province.

I think that after 1956, you can RP the Francophones and the Provincial government of Toliara Province, while I RP the rest of the provinces of Madagascar, plus Parliament (though I plan that a not!Parti Quebecois/Bloc Quebecois would start gaining seats in the early 1980s, becoming Official Opposition in 1992 which you can RP). The 1980 referendum on Toliaran secession fails, but the 1995 will be up to you.

Okay

Yeah. The only condition is that if yes, it has to be 50.5%, if no, it must be 50.5%. And if yes wins, there has to be negotiations (it can break down).

Basically, it is a good idea to make Toliara Province like Quebec.

[The Vaktovian Empire]

I think it's a load of bullshit that Japan and Rum are going to suffer permanent territorial losses while everyone else just white peaces out. That's just bullshit. If this truly is a Great War, others have to sacrifice territory too, because then it's just a "let's see how much land we can extort from Unicario" contest. Which Ruri is winning, by the way, by extorting Hawaii, Rumelia and Macedonia.

Japan is going to use the whole "we fought the hardest" against everyone, considering now I have to fight an invasion of Indochina, Meiji Islands and Okinawa, since Ruri somehow talked me into Japan's entire naval defense collapsing and the CSA magically landing forces all over the place. I'm thinking of just retconning that and going back to the CSA gets smashed at Midway and Manila.

This has to be more of a "everyone is unhappy" rather than "CSA massively rips Japan a new one, Rum gets the shit beat out of it by Yugoslavia, France loses nothing" war. I thought this war was going to be a bitter disappointment to everyone? Feels like it's just a bitter annoyance to me, and great for everyone else. >_>

Well, as a result of the war, Tsar Viktor is executed for treason and the division between the Romanians and Ukrainians grow as a result of another Ukrainian taking the throne, Roma Italia's economy is permanently damaged and it is forced to give up its colonies, Venezuela's naval capability for years to come is crippled, and the Ilkhanate, well you got me there.

I feel somewhat similar, though Uni.

To allow Italy to keep its colonies in Chad and Niger, Spain would like (in the future tense) to make a deal with Roma Italia. We would buy a section of Nigeria (most likely the most Western portion straight up to the Niger border. We'd establish Lagos as the capital of such a colony, and supply 35% profits from all colonial trade and future imports to the colony to Italy. AS well as this, for this colony, Spain would pay large substantials of money. Since I retconned all Spain as Andalusia bullshit from the last installment, we can assume that Spain never had any wars or conflicts until the Monarchy was restored by the Bourbon House, and the CSA-Spanish War. Besides that, my economy is pretty sound, so saying that as of now, even though our military might not be as large as yours, our economy is stronger, would not be an actual overstatement at all. As a result, even though the long 100 year cold war with Andalusia will make terrorist attacks, actual live-action invasions from both sides, Naval warfare in the Strait of Gibraltar and conflicts in the Western Mediterranean ever so present, our economy is still sound. Its a win-win situation. Spain gets a colony in Africa after being denied of one for some time (I'm assuming at one time part of Southern Africa would have been Spanish. And with the loss of Portugal, Spain finally has a possession (And its small enough likely not to encounter revolution up until the late 1920's or 30's. And Italy has enough money [paid in full from the colonial purchase] to sustain its Niger, Chad, and Nigeria colonies)

[The Vaktovian Empire]

NS nation: The Vaktovian Empire
Nation you wish to take: The Dictatorial Junta of the Brazilian Empire
Leader: Emperador Isaac Diaz Sanintino
Colonies(where applicable): None
Population: 16 Million
Brief History up to 1890:
Up to 1885, Emperor Pedro I had been the tyrant of the Empire of Brazil. Pedro had accomplished gaining Uruguay from the Inca in the Post-Independence War with the Incan Empire. Brazil was the only Hispanic country in South America (Besides Venezuela). Relations with Venezuela lowered, as they became a Democracy, while Brazil remained a harsh Empire. The Brazilians of the time, including Pedro I, and his government aspired to make Brazil into a later-day Spain, with a royal monarchy and all. Unfortunately, they were doing it wrong. In 1838 however, becoming an Imperial Style Empire was the least of Pedro I's worries.
In 1837, Pedro's unstable and small government lacked a strong foundation. It had suffered no fights because all the territories below it had been settled centuries earlier by the Inca before the Brazilians (Or the Portuguese for that matter) had even set foot there. However, the military was still unorganized and so was the government. This critical error would lead to the demise of the Empire of Brazil. In 1838, stronger, more dictatorial groups threatened Pedro's reign. He was trying to establish an Imperial Family and did so. His plans for an "Imperial" style Empire were ineffective and not the people's idea of a good choice of government of ideology. However, his son, Pedro the Second, allowed the Empire to somehow last until 1885. Pedro II became rapidly unaware of affairs outside Brasilia. Without a centralized authority and power base, the Empire of Brazil became a more collective group of states than a United Empire.
Pedro II, in 1884, prior to the main onslaught of his father's government, attempted to make the family name last, as he finally realized trouble was coming to Brazil and to the Capital, as well as his family. His wife Sofia, was unable to produce children, and as such he could not make the family name last. He attempted to try again and again to no avail.
These Dictatorial groups became a major threat when they stormed Brasilia in March of 1885, and formally secured most of the holdings. The more loyal military units in the capital remained by the Emperor's side, until he pushed them to slaughter any unwilling citizen of his reign. They then turned on him as well. It came down to the Emperor's 200 man loyal Royal Guard Division versus an almost 1 million man movement of both civilians and military personnel as well as the militant dictatorial groups. The coup ensued, and all 200 men of Pedro's guard were killed in the last-ditch attempt at keeping the throne. Pedro had made the last crucial mistake of his life; Not leaving Brasilia after his own Military Units in the Capital turned with the Dictatorial Parties. He was caught in the ensuing aftermath of the storming of his Palace, and he was shot by firing squad, along with his brother, and cousin. No members of the family survived, besides the infertile Sofia (Who had actually been fertile or along, faking her inability to have a pregnancy in order to make Pedro want to stay in Brasilia until it was too late. She had been a supporter of change in his government since 1882, and since she was 30 years younger than the 48 year old dictator, she became the Crown Princess of the Dictatorial Junta of the Brazilian Empire. It turned out she was the young daughter of the man who was out to rid Pedro of his title; Dictatorial-Party leader Issac Diaz Sanintino. She also was a skilled soldier, and intelligence officer, and became Vice-Director of Brazilian National Intelligence. Sanintino was the son of Manuel Sanintino, friend of the man who started the Dictatorial movements almost 50 years earlier in 1838.
Isaac founded the Dictatorial Junta of the Brazilian Empire. He allowed the military, which had supported him and his family for two generations, with the allowance of having a Council that would be the leader of government, only second to himself. More and more of them had sided with the Dictatorial Party as Pedro II was unaware of affairs outside Brasilia for decades. Pedro I had died years prior to 1885. He had installed his son in 1856 when he was 18, and Pedro I himself was old enough to rightfully, and physically be dead. He was 91 at the age of his death.
Meanwhile, Isaac made sure his government would not fail. He gained support of millions of people of the now 16 million populated Brazilian Empire, which had rose from 6 Million in 1838 over time, while he and his collective movement, and before him under his father, had watched Brasilia from afar. They had had no idea how easy it was actually going to be, and when the Capital's Military Units willingly sided with them, they realized Pedro II was done for. He made sure the military had his back. He devoted signifigant funding to the military, as well as establishing 10 factories right off the bat in Brasilia which produced up-to-date military grade weapons. As well as this, he donated signifigant funding to weapons research. He promoted Colonels to Generals, and current Generals who were loyal were appointed to the Junta. Those more unwilling to cooperate with the Dictatorship like those in the Western Amazon Rainforest areas were found and executed. Their armies interrogated one by one and those un-loyal also executed. The total executed by the end of the purging in 1886 was 23,000. This number was quite small assuming Brazil had almost a 1 Million man Army at the time. Isaac reduced this number, both to reduce the strain of numbers single Generals had to command, and to make the economy more stable. Even though he was donating considerable funding to the Army, he realized it would be better if they were smaller, and a more Professional-grade upgraded army was better than a larger army with funding being tossed down the drain when only 3/4 of the Army would be up-to-date. He also packed money into the Navy. He wanted to have one which could control much of the South Atlantic, and the Southern North Atlantic, as well as lead off any attempts by the Venezuelans of overpowering them on the high seas in the Caribbean. He established Bahia as the Naval Capital of the Empire.
In addition to all funding makings, which came from the overabundant National Treasury, of which Pedro II had spent little extra money on his "Imperial Family" of which only lasted for so long. Isaac made attempts to preserve the rainforest, as well as make Belem a major import/export city. National-funded railroads were ever more present, with most built by 1891, and those already in existence upgraded to National-Requirements. This helped both the civilian population and the military with transportation. The East coast became modernized by 1891, with the vast majority of it abundant in cities and resources. The Amazon was allowed to stay, but was garnished when necessary of trees for wood. Gold was something very common in Brazil. And with no other powers to snatch it, the Empire got all of the glory and all of the keeps. The people generally supported the new Empire, as it was more Nationalistic and prideful to boast the resources, technology and culture of Brazil in its entirety. Unlike the former Empire, this new one also supported the people, and helped reduce crime with a National Police Force (The National State Police or NSP), and also the Secret Police, called the DSA or Department of State Affairs.
Isaac as well improved security in Brasilia itself, making sure the coup he luckily pulled off could not be made again. His personal guard, called the Guardia Nacional protected both him and the Junta and had administrators from both the DSA and NSP in its ranks to help cooperate with all divisions. As well as this, Brazilian National Intelligence became the Emperador's personal tool to hunt down those who would betray the Empire and then operations were executed both with its Field Operations Task Forces and the DSA and NSP Agents.
Overall, the Dictatorial Junta of the Brazilian Empire has been fashioned in such a way that it has major roots in all ways of life, and even if the people disliked it, it would be hard to uproot. As such, it is the only Hispanic country (besides Venezuela) in South America, and is definitely the undisputed regional-power of South America, its continent.

FIXED

[Unicario]

The Inca expanded into those regions before Spain got control of them, in the new canon.

[The Vaktovian Empire]

I've made Brazil the regional power of the continent. I don't care if any of my other countries hold this title, but if Brazil is allowed to, I will be satisfied. My history is pretty convincing.
It's pretty fair. Since Japan is the Regional Power of Asia (Although there really can't be a Regional Power in Asia because of the Chinese-Japanese interference) and Ilkhanate is the undisputed regional power of the Middle East (excluding the Ottoman Empire) well, I think it's pretty fair.
If there is a conflict of interest and either of you, Boji or Uni are unhappy, I can certainly not consider it to be so. As for the Republic of Guyane, well, you wish you were a regional power. I mean for South America, (Luz) you are a very rare occasion (A power that is so strong yet so small) but not on the regional scale. Again, if this is disputed, I'm sure we could either work it out, or I can drop the status of Brazil being Regional Power.

[The Vaktovian Empire]

The Inca expanded into those regions before Spain got control of them, in the new canon.

So neither Argentina nor Bolivia existed? Alright, makes my country richer from not having to fight wars then.