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The Orson Empire
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Postby The Orson Empire » Tue May 27, 2014 5:24 pm

Kamchatkalia wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:Actually, yes I do. Seeing as I am a successor state to the United States, we have inherited some of their nuclear arsenal.


But the entirety of the US nuclear arsenal is in the Midwest or Western US, and you aren't in the possession of such land...

Actually, there are production plants in the eastern U.S. Plus, you should also realize that it is decades in the future. More production plants and silos could have been build in the eastern U.S.

We may not have a gigantic stockpile, but we do possess nuclear weapons.

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Postby Shnercropolis » Tue May 27, 2014 5:25 pm

Carathon wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:Actually, yes I do. Seeing as I am a successor state to the United States, we have inherited some of their nuclear arsenal.


Any power worth their salt probably have some sort of laser system or electromagnetic pulse device to easily defeat warheads.

analog warheads ftw.
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The Orson Empire
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Postby The Orson Empire » Tue May 27, 2014 5:26 pm

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The Orson Empire wrote:And I also have a laser defense system to defeat enemy warheads.


Then you're going to have to take out Switzerland the old fashioned way, unless you have some sort of other weapon.

I could always deliver a nuclear bomb the old fashioned way (from the airplane, for example).

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Postby Shnercropolis » Tue May 27, 2014 5:26 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Carathon wrote:
Then you're going to have to take out Switzerland the old fashioned way, unless you have some sort of other weapon.

I could always deliver a nuclear bomb the old fashioned way (from the airplane, for example).

AA/railguns on the walls.
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Postby UED » Tue May 27, 2014 5:27 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Carathon wrote:
Then you're going to have to take out Switzerland the old fashioned way, unless you have some sort of other weapon.

I could always deliver a nuclear bomb the old fashioned way (from the airplane, for example).


And then blowup the death star!
We made like over 50 posts in the ooc, but not one post in the IC
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Great Nepal
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Postby Great Nepal » Tue May 27, 2014 5:27 pm

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Great Nepal wrote:So we just take the corpse, use cloning and try them again in proper court of law. Standard procedure for high profile criminals who commit suicide. ;)

Umm.... okay? Clones aren't people by Swiss laws.

Neither are they by British law, which is why it works. Original guy is dead (dispose their body via incineration) but we try the clone and punish them in place of real person for the cameras. No one is any the wiser.
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The Orson Empire
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Postby The Orson Empire » Tue May 27, 2014 5:28 pm

Shnercropolis wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:I could always deliver a nuclear bomb the old fashioned way (from the airplane, for example).

AA/railguns on the walls.

I would take out the defenses first, and then drop it.

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Carathon
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Postby Carathon » Tue May 27, 2014 5:29 pm

Great Nepal wrote:
Shnercropolis wrote:Umm.... okay? Clones aren't people by Swiss laws.

Neither are they by British law, which is why it works. Original guy is dead (dispose their body via incineration) but we try the clone and punish them in place of real person for the cameras. No one is any the wiser.


A Kangaroo court then?

Why not just CGI animate the entire thing, it would be a-lot easier and more reliable then cloning and having a actual courting process.
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The Emerald Dragon
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Postby The Emerald Dragon » Tue May 27, 2014 5:31 pm

Shnercropolis wrote:
Carathon wrote:
Any power worth their salt probably have some sort of laser system or electromagnetic pulse device to easily defeat warheads.

analog warheads ftw.


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RYatVAU95eI

Putting this to irritate the hell out of Switzerland and Prussia.

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Great Nepal
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Postby Great Nepal » Tue May 27, 2014 5:34 pm

Carathon wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:Neither are they by British law, which is why it works. Original guy is dead (dispose their body via incineration) but we try the clone and punish them in place of real person for the cameras. No one is any the wiser.


A Kangaroo court then?

Why not just CGI animate the entire thing, it would be a-lot easier and more reliable then cloning and having a actual courting process.

No, nothing is rigged. Its a proper court with judge (well in our case a computer), defense lawyer and prosecutor all of whom treat clone as the real person. Both sides provide arguments and the computer returns verdict of guilty or not guilty as well as reprimand.
There is always chance that verdict is not guilty but these kinds of post-dead clone are usually held when evidence is overwhelming enough (and mock trial is already held in similar software) so verdict in these kinds of trial is always guilty.
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The Great Korean Empire
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Postby The Great Korean Empire » Tue May 27, 2014 5:37 pm

The Prussians are the major threat? We're quietly minding our own business in our borders while across the seas and oceans you're all plotting because you don't want to deal with any rivals. You're the greatest threats to world peace and security with your constant "WE MUST CRUSH PRUSSIA" which will start another world war. And that will spread due to the mutual defense treaties I made with Korea, Russia, Switzerland, and the Northern Union.
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Postby The Emerald Dragon » Tue May 27, 2014 5:38 pm

The Great Korean Empire wrote:The Prussians are the major threat? We're quietly minding our own business in our borders while across the seas and oceans you're all plotting because you don't want to deal with any rivals. You're the greatest threats to world peace and security with your constant "WE MUST CRUSH PRUSSIA" which will start another world war. And that will spread due to the mutual defense treaties I made with Korea, Russia, Switzerland, and the Northern Union.


Then you've got me, sitting on my arse all alone in the South Pacific, listening to the rain storm.

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Postby Carathon » Tue May 27, 2014 5:41 pm

The Great Korean Empire wrote:The Prussians are the major threat? We're quietly minding our own business in our borders while across the seas and oceans you're all plotting because you don't want to deal with any rivals. You're the greatest threats to world peace and security with your constant "WE MUST CRUSH PRUSSIA" which will start another world war. And that will spread due to the mutual defense treaties I made with Korea, Russia, Switzerland, and the Northern Union.


Sounds vaguely familiar...

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Photana
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Postby Photana » Tue May 27, 2014 5:44 pm

The IC needs some posts, agrue it out on the world stage! BEGIN THE THIRD WORLD WAR! DIE FOR MY AMUSEMENT!
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Your test scores indicate that you are an open-minded ultra-progressive; this is the political profile one might associate with a journalist. It appears that you are skeptical towards religion, and have a generally optimistic attitude towards humanity in general.
Your attitudes towards economics appear neither committedly capitalist nor socialist, and combined with your social attitudes this creates the picture of someone who would generally be described as a liberal.
To round out the picture you appear to be, political preference aside, a considerate idealistic egalitarian with many strong convictions.

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The Great Korean Empire
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Postby The Great Korean Empire » Tue May 27, 2014 5:45 pm

Photana wrote:The IC needs some posts, agrue it out on the world stage! BEGIN THE THIRD WORLD WAR! DIE FOR MY AMUSEMENT!


I'll post something alright.
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Postby The Emerald Dragon » Tue May 27, 2014 5:47 pm

Photana wrote:The IC needs some posts, agrue it out on the world stage! BEGIN THE THIRD WORLD WAR! DIE FOR MY AMUSEMENT!


This reminds me...

C-carathon, there's genetics for you to help me with.

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Carathon
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Postby Carathon » Tue May 27, 2014 5:47 pm

The Emerald Dragon wrote:
Photana wrote:The IC needs some posts, agrue it out on the world stage! BEGIN THE THIRD WORLD WAR! DIE FOR MY AMUSEMENT!


This reminds me...

C-carathon, there's genetics for you to help me with.


Almost done with post.
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Kamchatkalia
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Postby Kamchatkalia » Tue May 27, 2014 5:49 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Kamchatkalia wrote:
But the entirety of the US nuclear arsenal is in the Midwest or Western US, and you aren't in the possession of such land...

Actually, there are production plants in the eastern U.S. Plus, you should also realize that it is decades in the future. More production plants and silos could have been build in the eastern U.S.

We may not have a gigantic stockpile, but we do possess nuclear weapons.


True, there are production plants which on the West Coast...which are either in remediation or used for commercial uses only.

True, it's decades into the future...a future in which the world was wracked with violence and instability, in which the US collapse in on itself, tell me, why exactly would the US begin to rebuild it's nuclear arsenal then, and why would it build it near densely populated areas? As far as the OP goes, there was no need for such a thing to happen; it was far to concerned with domestic matters to take a lap around memory lane. Now that's all based on an assumption, I'm not the OP but neither are you. Now, perhaps on you're own you could have created your own nuclear arsenal, it's feasible yes, your only obstacle would be your history. You're history mentions forming in 2044, that gives you 16 years, but it also mentions a war with Quebec lasting an additional two, which makes it doubtful as to why your nation would begin to reconstruct it's predecessors nuclear arsenal granted it lacked the necessary infrastructure or facilities necessary for a successful nuclear weapons program. So you'd have 12 years to develop your nuclear program, but that would require building the necessary facilities and infrastructure, finding a uranium exporter, then enriching said uranium to make it weapons grade, considering that it took Pakistan 26 years to create it's first bomb that'd take quite awhile. But like you said; this is several decades into the future (although you'd have to factor out the decades in which the international system collapsed in on itself) and you'd still have access to key research and all the other components, but building still takes time, and this also raises the question as to why? Why the fuck are building a nuclear arsenal? There are no foreign threats to your nation, therefore the it's use as a deterrent wouldn't work.

Honestly it would be up to you, it is your nation after all, and all the above is based on speculation, but realistically I can only see your nation possess very, very, very few nuclear missiles, and I'm talking single digits here.
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Neros wrote:I can just imagine the trouble Russia went through to colonize Colombia back in the day. Those cold-hardened peoples being sent to the tropics, all for the Motherland. Must have been worse than what the Spanish went through.


I feel worse for the natives. Seeing a bunch of ass-naked Russians running around on the beach, drunk on more Vodka than a normal man sees in an entire lifetime.


Garwall wrote:And it would be nice if I could search for Communist U.S.A. flags without every other result being "OBAMAS A SOCIALIST RARARA".


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Postby Shnercropolis » Tue May 27, 2014 6:02 pm

Carathon wrote:
The Emerald Dragon wrote:
This reminds me...

C-carathon, there's genetics for you to help me with.


Almost done with post.

I liked your post a lot. You interpreted Switzerland quite correctly.
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Postby Shnercropolis » Tue May 27, 2014 6:03 pm

How long do y'alls think has passed ICly? A month?
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Carathon
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Postby Carathon » Tue May 27, 2014 6:05 pm

Shnercropolis wrote:
Carathon wrote:
Almost done with post.

I liked your post a lot. You interpreted Switzerland quite correctly.


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Postby Photana » Tue May 27, 2014 6:06 pm

Shnercropolis wrote:How long do y'alls think has passed ICly? A month?

Yes.
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Your test scores indicate that you are an open-minded ultra-progressive; this is the political profile one might associate with a journalist. It appears that you are skeptical towards religion, and have a generally optimistic attitude towards humanity in general.
Your attitudes towards economics appear neither committedly capitalist nor socialist, and combined with your social attitudes this creates the picture of someone who would generally be described as a liberal.
To round out the picture you appear to be, political preference aside, a considerate idealistic egalitarian with many strong convictions.

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Postby Shnercropolis » Tue May 27, 2014 6:07 pm

Photana wrote:
Shnercropolis wrote:How long do y'alls think has passed ICly? A month?

Yes.

Cool, I can post then.
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The Emerald Dragon
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Postby The Emerald Dragon » Tue May 27, 2014 6:09 pm

Shnercropolis wrote:
Photana wrote:Yes.

Cool, I can post then.


We might be smaller then Switzerland, but at least we eat real food.

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Postby Carathon » Tue May 27, 2014 6:09 pm

Looks like Kraken just economically annexed Polynesia.
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