A New World: 2015 (Alt History/Open/OOC)

[Unimutani]

UAR, can I announce our economic deal ICly?

Sure... I'd be ok with removing our tax on all coltan being sold to you as well instead of lowering my prices.

[Princess Kenny]

So do I just delete my G5 post on the IC?

[Ptolemais]

So do I just delete my G5 post on the IC?

If that was all the post was about then maybe edit it to be angry about not being invited?

[Princess Kenny]

So do I just delete my G5 post on the IC?

If that was all the post was about then maybe edit it to be angry about not being invited?

Perhaps, I may.

Yeah I will.

[Ptolemais]

Oh god what is India doing. Don't they have food shortages too? Is India going full on socialist?

[Princess Kenny]

Also, just a question.

Do I have to re-post my application with the military status and stuff?

[Ptolemais]

Also, just a question.

Do I have to re-post my application with the military status and stuff?

No, just fill out the military template, you don't need to redo your app.

[Unimutani]

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I don't normally have to say this, but I think you've low-balled your military capability, particularly naval. From what i've gathered so far, technology aside, you'd be outclassed by the Africans

And I thought we were done arguing about this...

[Bolovia]

Would anybody mind if I just skip my delegation to arriving at the G5 summit? I know ICly I barely took off but I'd like to speed things up.

[New Moriala]

Haven't posted in a while, so I'll post tomorrow.

[Graknopia]

What would be an acceptable military size for an extremely skilled military. (We pride ourselves on our military training/defense and tech, not so much the navy XD)

[Cymrea]

I don't normally have to say this, but I think you've low-balled your military capability, particularly naval. From what i've gathered so far, technology aside, you'd be outclassed by the Africans

And I thought we were done arguing about this...

Actually, I have pulled those numbers directly from the British Armed Forces websites and even after augmenting a few things, like bumping my supercarrier's operational date up a couple of years and adding some subs and a few thousand actives and reserves. And this is the military of the third largest economy. Perhaps Africa has overestimated its military as it relates to their economy?

And I don't mistake outnumbering with outclassing.

EDIT: I revised my Marines section. I copypasted the Army template and forget to change the values. So now, it reflects the actual weapons and equipment of the Royal Cambrian Marines (as based on the rl Royal Marines with stats pulled from their MoD website.)

I suppose I could add some stuff, or facilitate some purchases/commissions, if we don't want to keep our numbers closer to real-world. I'm game for more boats and troops.

[Winovia]

Would anybody mind if I just skip my delegation to arriving at the G5 summit? I know ICly I barely took off but I'd like to speed things up.

Sure

What would be an acceptable military size for an extremely skilled military. (We pride ourselves on our military training/defense and tech, not so much the navy XD)

Depends on your population

[Ugandavitz]

Could I play as the Iberian Empire? I see that (at the last map update atleast) it was unclaimed. Also, has a preliminary application for them already been posted, or no?

[Graknopia]

Would anybody mind if I just skip my delegation to arriving at the G5 summit? I know ICly I barely took off but I'd like to speed things up.

Sure

What would be an acceptable military size for an extremely skilled military. (We pride ourselves on our military training/defense and tech, not so much the navy XD)

Depends on your population

Its 100 million about

[Winovia]

Could I play as the Iberian Empire? I see that (at the last map update atleast) it was unclaimed. Also, has a preliminary application for them already been posted, or no?

You can be them, but you need an app. It has to be the same map claim and an Imperial Government.

[Cymrea]

Not picking on you Bolovia, just using you as an example.

The Hispanic Republic: Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay, Bolivia, and Chile.
Claims: 900,000 active plus 400,000 reserves, totaling 1,300,000.

Real world populations (Populstat for 2015)
Argentina: 40,523,000
Uruguay: 3,588,000
Paraguay: 7,963,000
Bolivia: 12,116,000
Chile: 17,475,000
Total: 81,665,000
1% military total = 816,000
1.5% military total 1,224,975

So, given real world populations, Bolovia's military seems quite reasonable in size for an RP setting. But:

Real world military numbers and budgets (USD)
Argentina: 73,100 active, 31,240 reserve, $5 billion
Uruguay: 24,000 active, no reserves, $492 million
Paraguay: 10,650 active, 164,000 reserves, $248 million
Bolivia: 55,000 active, no reserves, $147 million
Chile: 60,560 active, no reserves, $7.4 billion
Total: 223,310 active, 195,240 reserves, $13.287 billion

A combined total of just over a quarter of 1% total population numbers. Why is there such an immense difference between the numbers? I'm guessing that militaries with relation to economies is far more complicated than just GDP and 1% of population numbers. While the real world equivalents of the Hispanic Republic nations could theoretically field the numbers Bolovia put forward (again, not a criticism - Bolovia's numbers are quite reasonable in typical RP settings), they don't field those numbers and there must b reasons why.

This setting strikes me as striving for realism and I've used real numbers almost exclusively. So I guess my question is, how close do we want to adhere to real-world equivalents and how much leeway do we want to give for fictional/creative license?

[Ptolemais]

This setting strikes me as striving for realism and I've used real numbers almost exclusively. So I guess my question is, how close do we want to adhere to real-world equivalents and how much leeway do we want to give for fictional/creative license?

I agree, but there are a few exceptions. Some states that aren't militaristic IRL have become militaristic (Hispanic Empire, for example) or others their history has just changed so much that they warrant larger armies (The Empire of Japan never fell and is still a major military power). I think you can take some creative licence, just don't go overboard. In fact, Winovia should compile a military power list to simplify things, maybe even break it down into areas of war (i.e. Japan would be extremely strong on a naval ranking, but weaker on a land forces ranking).

[Winovia]

This setting strikes me as striving for realism and I've used real numbers almost exclusively. So I guess my question is, how close do we want to adhere to real-world equivalents and how much leeway do we want to give for fictional/creative license?

I agree, but there are a few exceptions. Some states that aren't militaristic IRL have become militaristic (Hispanic Empire, for example) or others their history has just changed so much that they warrant larger armies (The Empire of Japan never fell and is still a major military power). I think you can take some creative licence, just don't go overboard. In fact, Winovia should compile a military power list to simplify things, maybe even break it down into areas of war (i.e. Japan would be extremely strong on a naval ranking, but weaker on a land forces ranking).

Thats exactly what the military stats are for, so I can make military ranks.

[Bolovia]

CODE: SELECT ALL
Official Military Name:Republican Armed Forces
Commander-in-Chief:President Gen.Juan Gonzalez
Army Leader: Secretary of War and Defense Machado Rodriguez
Navy Leader: Admiral Mario Duvillo
Air Force Leader: Air Marshall Vince Gomez

Army Active: 950,000, paramilitary 300,000
Army Reserves: 550,000
Army Total: 1,700,000
Main Handgun:
Main Assault Rifle: FARA 83
Main Sniper Rifle: FAMAE FD-200
# and Type of Tanks: 5000 TAM, 7000 BMPI-2

Navy Active:450,000
Navy Reserve:65,000
Navy Total:515,000
# and Type of Carriers:3 colossus class light carriers
# and Type of Cruisers:0
# and Type of Destroyers: 10type 42 destroyers
# and Type of Frigates: 20 Azopardo class, 20 Espora class, 20Almirante class
# and Type of Subs: 15 Type 209 subs, 15 scorpène class
# and Type of Other Vehicles:various logistical
Total Ships:103 warships in total

Air Force Active:250,000
Air Force Reserve:30,000
Air Force Total:280,000
# and Type of Jets: 300 PAK-FA type 50's, 600 pucarà
# and Type of Helicopters: 500 Mi Mi transport/attack copters
# and Type of UAVs:67 Lipàn M3, 40 Nostromo's
Total Aircraft:1700

Total Active: 1,875,000
Total Reserve: 625,000
Grand Total:2,500,000
Be mindful most of these are conscripts, If I need any changes please don't hesitate to ask.

[Ptolemais]

Official Military Name: Imperial Japanese Forces
Commander-in-Chief: Supreme Council Chairman Shimazu
Army Leader: Field Marshal Rentaro
Navy Leader: Admiral Kanbaru
Air Force Leader: General Inami

Army Active: 950,000
Army Reserves: 1,750,000
Army Total: 2,700,000
Main Handgun: SIG Sauer P220 (Switzerland)
Main Assault Rifle: Howa Type 89 (Japan)
Main Sniper Rifle: Howa Type 64 Sniper Rifle (Japan)
# and Type of Tanks: 1550 Type 10 MBT's (Japan), and 8900 Infantry Fighting Vehicles

Navy Active: 395,000
Navy Reserve: 525,000
Navy Total: 920,000
# and Type of Carriers: 4 Standard Carriers, 2 Super-carriers, (2 more decommissioned standard carriers currently undergoing reactivation)
# and Type of Cruisers: 20 Guided Missile Cruisers
# and Type of Destroyers: 75 Multi-Role Destroyers
# and Type of Frigates: 125 Multi-Role Frigates
# and Type of Subs: 20 Diesel, 15 Nuclear
# and Type of Other Vehicles: Numerous various support vessels
Total Ships: 266 Combat Ships

Air Force Active: 135,000
Air Force Reserve: 95,000
Air Force Total: 230,000
# and Type of Jets: 575 Mitsubishi A9T Zero Interceptors
# and Type of Helicopters: 220 Mitsubishi AH04 Attack Helicopters (85 used by Navy for anti-submarine operations)
# and Type of UAVs: 325 Kawasaki S3TD UAVs
Total Aircraft: 795 Combat Aircraft, 325 Unarmed, numerous various support aircraft

Total Active: 1,480,000
Total Reserve: 2,370,000
Grand Total: 3,850,000 (or 0.8% of population)

Copied mostly from the list on my first IC post. Let me know if anything needs changing. I know my Navy is massive, but I took a fairly big hit on my Army and Air Force for a state my size. Also, some of the weapons are made up considering the US does not exist and I couldn't find any indigenous replacements, just assume they're up to Japanese standards.

[Winovia]

Official Military Name: Republic Defense Forces
Commander-in-Chief: President Anden Primo
Army Leader: General Henry Swartz
Navy Leader: Admiral Uriah Ingram
Air Force Leader: Air Marshal Lydia Gonzalez

Army Active: 460,125
Army Reserves: 305,500
Army Total: 765,625
Main Handgun: Glock 22, Mk 25 Mod 0
Main Assault Rifle: M16A3, XM8
# and Type of Tanks: M1A2 SEP v2 (435), M1 Assault Breacher (520), M1126 Infantry Carrier Vehicle (670), M3A3 Bradley (870)

Navy Active: 330,005
Navy Reserve: 345,200
Navy Total: 675,205
# and Type of Carriers: Nimitz Class (5), Gerald Ford Class (3 Planned)
# and Type of Cruisers: Ticeronda Class (33)
# and Type of Destroyers: Arleigj Burke Class (38), Primo Class (Kolkata Class) (10 Planned)
# and Type of Frigates: Oliver Hazard Perry Class (47)
# and Type of Subs: Seawolf Class (15), Virginia Class (5 Completed, 15 Planned), Ohio Class (7)
# and Type of Other Vehicles: Indiana Class (Kora Class) Corvettes (34), Avenger Class Mine Countermeasure Ships (12), Cyclone Class Patrol Boat (16)
Total Ships: 212 Completed, 240 Planned

Air Force Active: 305,120
Air Force Reserve: 207,050
Air Force Total: 512,170
# and Type of Jets: B-22A Spirits (155), F-22A Raptor (104), F-15E Strike Eagle (122)
# and Type of Helicopters: HH-60 Pave Hawk (60), TH-1 Iroquois (18)
# and Type of UAVs: RQ-170 Sentinel (21)
Total Aircraft: 470

Total Active: 975,250
Total Reserve: 857,750
Grand Total: 1,953,000

[Bolovia]

Winovia, are you also going to put a list of nations on the OP page according to strength?

[Ptolemais]

I see you guys are really specific in your assets, if you don't mind i'll edit my military tomorrow (not the numbers, just the names of the classes of ships mostly).

[Graknopia]

I'll make mine tomorrow