A New World: 2015 (Alt History/Open/OOC)

[Unimutani]

Out of respect for the OP, I have revised my GDP down to 2.329 trillion.

[Winovia]

Official Nation Name: Republic of India
Short Nation Name: India
Population:1.3 billion people
Capital: If this is GDP, 1.8 trillion
Territory (Max of 3 IRl Nations): India

Government Type: Republic
Head of State: Pranab Mukherjee
Head of Government: Narendra Modi
Legislature Type (Unicameral, Bicameral, Tricameral): Unicrameal
Upper House: Rayja Sabha
Lower House: Lok Sabha
How does your government work: There is a central government. Due to diversity within the seperate states, however, power of the PM is limited. The new PM is Narendra Modi. The PM has all the power. The government is parlimentary.

Did you participate in World War I? Yes
What side? Allied powers, fighting for Great Britain.
Did you participate in World War II? Yes
What side? Allies, fighting for Great Britain.
Are you a member of the UN? Yes

History: In 1947, Mahatma Gahndi made India independent from Great Britain. In 1950 it was declared a country with a constitution. In 1962, India and China had a small war over territorial disputes. India has also had 4 wars with Pakistan. For all of the Cold War, India was allied with the USSR. India tested its first Nuke in 1974. It has since then conducted 5 nuclear tests, making India a firm Nuclear state. In 2014, Narendra Modi of the BJP finally was able to take power from the ruling Congress party, bringing new hope for India.

Goals for the nation: Increase GDP, industrialize, end poverty
Potential Allies: Russia, Israel, France, Japan, South Korea
Potential Enemies: China, Pakistan, Iran

RP Sample: First actual RP, i have been a GE&Ter most of the time. If you want I can post a link of a product catalog.

Accepted, its your first RP but you only want one country. I'll be keeping an eye in you though.

[The Free Republic of Akan]

Official Nation Name: Republic of India
Short Nation Name: India
Population:1.3 billion people
Capital: If this is GDP, 1.8 trillion
Territory (Max of 3 IRl Nations): India

Government Type: Republic
Head of State: Pranab Mukherjee
Head of Government: Narendra Modi
Legislature Type (Unicameral, Bicameral, Tricameral): Unicrameal
Upper House: Rayja Sabha
Lower House: Lok Sabha
How does your government work: There is a central government. Due to diversity within the seperate states, however, power of the PM is limited. The new PM is Narendra Modi. The PM has all the power. The government is parlimentary.

Did you participate in World War I? Yes
What side? Allied powers, fighting for Great Britain.
Did you participate in World War II? Yes
What side? Allies, fighting for Great Britain.
Are you a member of the UN? Yes

History: In 1947, Mahatma Gahndi made India independent from Great Britain. In 1950 it was declared a country with a constitution. In 1962, India and China had a small war over territorial disputes. India has also had 4 wars with Pakistan. For all of the Cold War, India was allied with the USSR. India tested its first Nuke in 1974. It has since then conducted 5 nuclear tests, making India a firm Nuclear state. In 2014, Narendra Modi of the BJP finally was able to take power from the ruling Congress party, bringing new hope for India.

Goals for the nation: Increase GDP, industrialize, end poverty
Potential Allies: Russia, Israel, France, Japan, South Korea
Potential Enemies: China, Pakistan, Iran

RP Sample: First actual RP, i have been a GE&Ter most of the time. If you want I can post a link of a product catalog.

Accepted, its your first RP but you only want one country. I'll be keeping an eye in you though.

Thanks!

[Winovia]

By whom? Cambria, (aka Britain) never had an imperialist nature, Italy was conquered, and Spain (Iberia) conquered France and Italy.... Sooo

No exploitation for hundreds of years.

Next point, incessant fighting..

Africa has had multiple empires of the centuries sir. Each time, they proved that they can unite incredible diverse peoples. For example, if you look at modern Ethiopia, you see over 80 different languages and cultures all living in one state. A nation that, prior to communist revolution, had defeated the Italian military!

Next point, me being a first world nation...

My gdp per capita is $12,000... that's fairly poor sir. Japan today has a GDP per captia of $36,000, more then three times what I'm asking. I'm a fairly poor nation. All I'm asking for is a modest healthcare system, and an industrial base.

Next point, in order for the RP to progress I must be poor as the world economy relies on me being pushed around...

I don't even know where to begin with this.

1. As a general rule, all history up until WW2 remains the same as per Winovia.

2. The empires, with few exceptions, did not last long, and fell due to internal conflict rather than external pressure. In Africa, ethnic groups tend to stick together and place their own in positions of power whenever possible. Although this is common in any society, it is more troublesome considering DR Congo alone comprises of more than 200 unique ethnic groups. I said I had no problem with you smoothing over these, but they still exist and you would not be as stable as, for example, China or France.

3. $12,000 is poor in relation to developed countries. $12,000 GDP per capita is actually a couple thousand higher than the world average. I never said you had to be dirt poor, of course you can have a modest healthcare system and industrial base, but don't expect either to be on par with Western standards.

4. Well, if everything up until WW2 is the same as RL, unfortunately that's what Africa's role was. Perhaps you're opening a new era of African development? Africa for the Africans? It will take a while, but no ones stopping you (OOC).

Again, I'm not wealthy... And I'm sorry that the idea of a wealthy Africa bugs you so much, but it economically speaking it makes the most sense. Furthermore, if you actually read my RPs, you see that I'm well aware of the issues such a government would face, and I don't assume it's all an uber powerhouse.

The idea that nations which supply most of the world's economy with resources could never, in the same amount of time that a wartorn Japan was able to rebuild itself, organize efficiently is beyond me. Your very country's existence is why I'm right. in 70 years, Japan had become a superpower from a backwards isolated kingdom with next to no natural resources.

If my nation was united in the 1920s, I fail to see how I could not accomplish 1/4 of the feat in more time, with far more resources.

At your proposed GDP, you would have been ranked around 4th place, above Germany. I'd consider that being wealthy. I know, i've read your IC posts and I love them

I don't understand your comparison to Japan rebuilding and becoming extremely efficient. You are aware that happened in real life, right? As for how, it's because Japan remains the single most homogeneous country in the world and they adopted Western standards back in the 19th century. We also weren't subject to colonization, and are on an island. Maritime economies in general tend to flourish. The reason Japan flourished IRL with lack of resources, is because they exploited countries like yours. As I said before, we learned the game earlier than all other non-Western countries and reaped the rewards.

Also, in this RP, the Empire never fell. Since the US ceased to exist in the capacity it did IRL, Japan was able to negotiate much better terms for armistice. We relinquished our Chinese holdings and Korea in exchange for ceasefire and keeping our empire in SE Asia.

Again, I don't mind Africa kicking around some economic clout, but not to the tune of a top 5 economy.

Minor changes are able to be made before WWII, but the general flow of things, like who was in power and all that, must stay the same.

[Unimutani]

1. As a general rule, all history up until WW2 remains the same as per Winovia.

2. The empires, with few exceptions, did not last long, and fell due to internal conflict rather than external pressure. In Africa, ethnic groups tend to stick together and place their own in positions of power whenever possible. Although this is common in any society, it is more troublesome considering DR Congo alone comprises of more than 200 unique ethnic groups. I said I had no problem with you smoothing over these, but they still exist and you would not be as stable as, for example, China or France.

3. $12,000 is poor in relation to developed countries. $12,000 GDP per capita is actually a couple thousand higher than the world average. I never said you had to be dirt poor, of course you can have a modest healthcare system and industrial base, but don't expect either to be on par with Western standards.

4. Well, if everything up until WW2 is the same as RL, unfortunately that's what Africa's role was. Perhaps you're opening a new era of African development? Africa for the Africans? It will take a while, but no ones stopping you (OOC).



At your proposed GDP, you would have been ranked around 4th place, above Germany. I'd consider that being wealthy. I know, i've read your IC posts and I love them

I don't understand your comparison to Japan rebuilding and becoming extremely efficient. You are aware that happened in real life, right? As for how, it's because Japan remains the single most homogeneous country in the world and they adopted Western standards back in the 19th century. We also weren't subject to colonization, and are on an island. Maritime economies in general tend to flourish. The reason Japan flourished IRL with lack of resources, is because they exploited countries like yours. As I said before, we learned the game earlier than all other non-Western countries and reaped the rewards.

Also, in this RP, the Empire never fell. Since the US ceased to exist in the capacity it did IRL, Japan was able to negotiate much better terms for armistice. We relinquished our Chinese holdings and Korea in exchange for ceasefire and keeping our empire in SE Asia.

Again, I don't mind Africa kicking around some economic clout, but not to the tune of a top 5 economy.

Minor changes are able to be made before WWII, but the general flow of things, like who was in power and all that, must stay the same.

Regardless, I still disagree of course. I've just decided the argument can be continued in another RP at a future time out of respect for your call for a ceasefire.

[Cymrea]

Lame, be less concerned about the Pacific. I'd like to keep those regions in my orbit

Hispanic Empire may be looking to go round 2 for Falklands.

Hell yes

Some just needs to touch the burner again to remind themselves that it is indeed hot.

[New Moriala]

THIS MESSAGE NEVER EXISTED.

[Winovia]

^^NEITHER DID THIS ONE

[Winovia]

G5: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=297817

[New Moriala]

Sorry, deleting it.

[The Free Republic of Akan]

What is the lowest GDP economy in G5?

[Winovia]

What is the lowest GDP economy in G5?

Idk just check who has the lowest rank, its in the OP.

[Unimutani]

Also India, where is the money for your economic move coming from? Just curious.

Is India taking on a lot of debt?

If so, several UAR firms would be interested in purchasing some of the bonds, as well as investing in the factories if you'd be willing consider allow foreign investment.

[Graknopia]

RRA's blood boils at the sight of the G5 thread

[Winovia]

RRA's blood boils at the sight of the G5 thread

Mad...or nah?

[Graknopia]

RRA's blood boils at the sight of the G5 thread

Mad...or nah?

The General has insecurity issues

[The Free Republic of Akan]

Also India, where is the money for your economic move coming from? Just curious.

Is India taking on a lot of debt?

If so, several UAR firms would be interested in purchasing some of the bonds, as well as investing in the factories if you'd be willing consider allow foreign investment.

Most of the money comes from an earlier tax raise.

India has been lowering debt since Modi first came. He has been aggressively trying to lower debt and repay most of it.

Your firms can invest in some of our smaller factories, the average ones will be private, and the biggest ones will be government owned.

[Graknopia]

UAR, can I announce our economic deal ICly?

[Ptolemais]

Most of the money comes from an earlier tax raise.

Business doesn't usually like taxes

[Bolovia]

What is the lowest GDP economy in G5?

Idk just check who has the lowest rank, its in the OP.

That sucks I'm the economically and possibly militarily the weakest nation in the G5 but as long as I'm in there.

[Ptolemais]

Oops, I totally missed that you sent your President Winovia. Is it too late to change the delegation to include the Chairman of the Supreme Council instead of the Deputy-Chair? That might be more fitting for such high level negotiations.

[Winovia]

Oops, I totally missed that you sent your President Winovia. Is it too late to change the delegation to include the Chairman of the Supreme Council instead of the Deputy-Chair? That might be more fitting for such high level negotiations.

Of course you can change it, I didn't mention them by name.

[Ptolemais]

Of course you can change it, I didn't mention them by name.

Yeah I did, just swapped out Utami for Shimazu. Now we can talk with the big boys

[Cymrea]

Official Military Name: Royal Cambrian Forces (Royal Cambrian Army/Navy/Air Force/Marines)
Commander-in-Chief: Queen Rhiannon or Rosa Regina
Army Leader: Command General Lord William Leonis
Navy Leader: Command Admiral Lady Fiona Aquila
Air Force Leader: Command Marshal Lord David Strigida
Marines Leader: Lieutenant General Sir Karlis Holmes

Army Active: 150,000
Army Reserves:130,000
Army Total: 280,000
Main Handgun: L131A1
Main Assault Rifle
L85A2 (L123A2 under-slung grenade launcher)
L86A2 (LSW)
L22A2 (carbine)
Main Sniper Rifle
L115A3 (.338 Lapua Magnum)
L118A1 AWC (SAS) (7.62x51mm)
L82A1 (Anti-materiel) (.50 BMG)
# and Type of Tanks
FV4034 Challenger II Main Battle Tank: 807
FV510/511/512/513/514/515 Warrior Infantry Fighting Vehicle: 981
FV432/434 Bulldog Armoured Personnel Carrier: 995
FV103/104/105/106/107 Armoured Vehicle: 854
Various Infantry Mobility Vehicle: 4335

Navy Active: 55,000
Navy Reserve: 10,000
Navy Total: 65,000
# and Type of Carriers
Queen Rhiannon-class (rl Queen Elizabeth-class) supercarrier: 2
Invincible-class fleet carrier: 1
Albion-class amphibious transport dock: 3
Ocean-class amphibious assault ship: 2
# and Type of Cruisers
None
# and Type of Destroyers
Daring-class guided missile destroyer: 10
# and Type of Frigates:
Duke-class frigate: 22
# and Type of Subs:
Astute-class fleet submarine: 10
Trafalgar-class fleet submarine: 8
Vanguard-class ballistic missile submarine: 9
# and Type of Other ships:
Hunt-class minehunters: 8
Sandown-class minehunter: 7
River-class offshore patrol vessel: 5
Protector-class icebreaker: 2
Echo-class survey vessel: 4
Total Ships: 93

Air Force Active: 55,000
Air Force Reserve: 44,000
Air Force Total: 99,000
# and Type of Jets
Lockheed Martin F-35C Lightning II: 80 (two carrier air groups of 40 each)
Panavia Tornado: 180
Eurofighter Typhoon: 210
# and Type of Helicopters
AW159 Wildcat (ASW/ASuW): 28
AW101 Merlin (ASW): 27
Boeing Chinook (Transport): 46
SA330 Puma (Utility): 29
WS61 Sea King (Utility): 24
Bell Griffin (Utility): 6
# and Type of UAVs:
MQ-9 Reaper UCAV: 90
BAE Taranis UCAV: 30
BAE Mantis UAV: 30
Boeing Insitu ScanEagle UAV: 30
Total Aircraft: 810

Marines Active: 12,000
Marines Reserves:None
Marines Total: 12,000
Main Handgun: L131A1
Main Assault Rifle
SA80 A2 ACOG (L123A2 under-slung grenade launcher)
L85A2 (L123A2 under-slung grenade launcher)
L110A1 (LMG)
L11A1 (HMG)
L109A1 grenade
Main Sniper Rifle
L115A3 (.338 Lapua Magnum)
L118A1 AWC (SAS) (7.62x51mm)
L82A1 (Anti-materiel) (.50 BMG)
# and Type of Tanks
BvS 10 Viking Armoured Fighting Vehicle: 150

Total Active: 272,000
Total Reserve: 184,500
Grand Total: 456,000 (less than 1% of population)

[Ptolemais]

-snip-

I don't normally have to say this, but I think you've low-balled your military capability, particularly naval. From what i've gathered so far, technology aside, you'd be outclassed by the Africans