History of Empires II (OOC, OPEN)

[Sassinia]

Incase you haven't noticed, Allen controls Nepal. Meaning Gurkhas. Meaning you're screwed.

If I'm conquered in the mainland, I'll build some boats and head out for the sea. There will be an island out there somewhere.

Then, after many years, I'll launch a surprise attack! MUHAHAHA

[Rephesus]

Incase you haven't noticed, Allen controls Nepal. Meaning Gurkhas. Meaning you're screwed.

If I'm conquered in the mainland, I'll build some boats and head out for the sea. There will be an island out there somewhere.

Then, after many years, I'll launch a surprise attack! MUHAHAHA

You mean the Maldives? Allen has owned them for almost 1000 years. Or Sri Lanka? It's a Vassal. There's not very many Indian Ocean islands near India besides those, this isn't the Pacific.

Anyway, that does sound interesting thigh, hundreds of rebels fleeing their homeland on boats sailing into the open sea.

[Sassinia]

If I'm conquered in the mainland, I'll build some boats and head out for the sea. There will be an island out there somewhere.

Then, after many years, I'll launch a surprise attack! MUHAHAHA

You mean the Maldives? Allen has owned them for almost 1000 years. Or Sri Lanka? It's a Vassal. There's not very many Indian Ocean islands near India besides those, this isn't the Pacific.

Anyway, that does sound interesting thigh, hundreds of rebels fleeing their homeland on boats sailing into the open sea.

Australia?

[Rephesus]

From India to Australia....

Well, good luck with that.

and so the Australian-Indian Diaspora was born

[Lithuanian Empire]

If I'm conquered in the mainland, I'll build some boats and head out for the sea. There will be an island out there somewhere.

Then, after many years, I'll launch a surprise attack! MUHAHAHA

You mean the Maldives? Allen has owned them for almost 1000 years. Or Sri Lanka? It's a Vassal. There's not very many Indian Ocean islands near India besides those, this isn't the Pacific.

Anyway, that does sound interesting thigh, hundreds of rebels fleeing their homeland on boats sailing into the open sea.

The Andaman isles?
And they could work in secret after being beat up. Kind of our version of Illuminati.

[Sassinia]

From India to Australia....

Well, good luck with that.

and so the Australian-Indian Diaspora was born

Or I could hijack a bunch of ships from Allen and sail to the Americas...

[Lithuanian Empire]

From India to Australia....

Well, good luck with that.

and so the Australian-Indian Diaspora was born

Or I could hijack a bunch of ships from Allen and sail to the Americas...

Oricland would welcome a secret rebel group, I think.

[Rephesus]

From India to Australia....

Well, good luck with that.

and so the Australian-Indian Diaspora was born

Or I could hijack a bunch of ships from Allen and sail to the Americas...

Oh yes circumnavigate Africa or sail the pacific. When you land in Zia we'll happily give you your own Island, fit with dozens of plantations along with some nice not-Whip-bearing um... "Supervisors". We can fit you into some nice big metal bracelets and anklets too.

[Rephesus]

Or I could hijack a bunch of ships from Allen and sail to the Americas...

Oricland would welcome a secret rebel group, I think.

I highly doubt that a Nordic free-state on the eastern seaboard would welcome a flood of angry south Asian rebels who just sailed around the world to just come live with them. They'd probably burn them for hearsay and lying, and then 200 years later when science and historians prove they were telling the truth it'll make for a very awkward joke.

[Alleniana]

The one interesting thing is how few different cultures and religions India has ITTL. OTL it was widely considered a Global Birthplace of languages and cultures and religions, as some of the worlds largest religions (Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, Jainism) all stated in India, along with multiple different languages, it's interesting to see how a stronger Indus civilization could eventually go on to rule the subcontinent.

I do have to wonder if you intend on becoming the Indian Ocean hegemon, taking Sumatra and Tibet, or the Strait or Hormuz, or expanding into Persia. I have high hopes for this nation.

I've actually considered that a lot, and though they speak the same language, by and large, there is more regional variation than there is in a place like, say, eastern China today (dunno about our Shan China). I took into consideration the mountains, terrain, etc. that caused that stuff in RL and there are actually pretty distinct subcultures; Garu, Rujodu, Bemi, Vimibedu, Nenebemi, Ruzojo, Thayu, Garunedutha, Zodune, plus 2 more I am yet to name (two southernmost vassals).

For now, I'm going to have some internal posts, annexing the two remaining vassals, fight rebels, picking up on expired leases, easing away from an executive constitutional monarchy (the monarch will become a figurehead soon-ish) and develop tech. Once I get that done, though, I've got high hopes too about finally going international. War will be a welcome change from all the NPC-popping.

Nation Name: Empire of Ruzojo
Capital City: Nenebemi
Government Type: Constitutional Monarchy; a hereditary executive monarchy with the constitution laying out many powers but creating relatively few governmental bodies. A very detailed and strict codification of law, well-organised & divided branches of government & military and a particularly advanced bureaucracy, however, do exist, with quite a lot of input from the masses especially on the lower level. This is often informal.
Head of State: Emperor Jozotharuthami I Gaduzorutha (since 1800)
Claimed Territory: http://i.imgur.com/KxA1hcD.png
State/National Religion: Secular
Dominant Religion: Bebenism
Minority Religion(s): Agnosticism (intellectuals), R'habish (Babylonia), Zarathrianism (Parsihiyans), Hantar Agung Pemberi (Medar-Seyamites), Kuruism (Kurus), Buddhi Chi (Javanese), Silveros (Relikai), Bemi cultism (Bemi valleyers & Nenebemi lower classes), Cameleon (Adenians), Yugami (Mividu monarchist cult), Beyuzoan cultism (spread out through Ruzojo), Tangism (Turkans), various pagans (Krenitia, Orissa, south India, Constantinople)
Population: ~300 million
Military Organization: A proportionally small standing army is maintained with equipment, training, tactics and generally quality that are near the forefront of technological development. It does have some weaknesses and strengths, however; logistics, innovation, siege and animals are particularly well used, for example, but actual battle experience and gunpowder technology (for now ) are not so good. It works well, with many schools built, rank-purchasing unheard of, very standardised equipment and world-renown elephant forces. It does, however, lack much usage in more recent times.
Military Size: Actives are about 1 million in number, reserves are a further 5 million
Fleet Size: About 50 twodecker ships of the line, 25 threedecker ships of the line, 100 frigates and ~250 sloops, in addition to countless numbers of dhows. Most are engaged in mercantile patrol, government transport use or not in active service. Many if not most are outdated compared with European ships. All, however, are fitted with sail and cannon, and quite seaworthy; what is lacked in experience, drive and numbers is made up for by ample and increasing government budgets.
National Flag:
Primary Culture: Nenebemi
Accepted Cultures: Not really any, though notable minorities exist in the far northwest mountains, the recently annexed far east and the south, which some of which is still under vassalship.
Primary Import(s): Luxuries (foreign oddities like amber, art, archaeological oddities, etc.), plus [I need to consult neighbours somewhat; Relikai, Redemption, Altito, Fort, any ideas?]
Primary Export(s): Mainstream agricultural goods (rice, beans, milk, etc.), cash crops/luxuries (tea, spices, dates, etc.), fabrics (silk, cotton, jute, etc.), refined goods (statues, furniture, wagons, etc.), various minerals (coal, copper, silver, etc.)
Trade Policy: Fairly capitalist; free trade rules with enterprise the preferred occupation, carefully ruled over by an advantageous corporate law. However, mild mercantilism exists in some fields; it exists by necessity in the far east for the deal with the Empire of Relikai, for example, and it can be used to keep vassals' problem economies in check. Workers rights are a thing, and they are becoming rapidly greater, though; this is no capitalist's dream, rather that of a lowly amateur entrepreneur.
Civil Freedoms: Fairly advanced; freedom of religion is one of the main themes on the public mind, and a constitution exists along with a good system of law, including a very definite codification that was one of the most innovative in the world. Racial discrimination does exist for imperialistic purposes, however, and though rights for genders and sexual orientations are very advanced, there are many dark corners being explored in the modern light.

Brief Description of your nation's history: A civilisation that arose in the Bemi valley, based around a man named Thabemi, grew into a large, thriving dynasty covering the entire valley and its surrounds. It eventually broke down due to corruption and revolts, however, and a northern offshoot called Nenebemi eventually reunited the lands and expanded. Fixing many of the previous problems, it expanded the people's range greatly, and lasted for much longer much better. It expanded into the Nene valley much, and established the city of Nenebemi as clear primate city of the region. It also developed the navy extensively. It, too, however, fell during a period of stagnation when a religion based around a man called Beyuzo spawned. Bebenism spread quickly and a brutal, totalitarian religious theocracy took hold of the reins; Mizomibe was founded after the prophet's myth-clad death. It fell to much the same problems as Thabemi had however, and it was destroyed from within by both reinterpreters of Beyuzo and political dissidents. A new state that many would say had been founded on principles much more pleasing to Bebene was established relatively peacefully, the internationally minded empire of Ruzojo. It consolidated on many conquests that Mizomibe had aggressively laid, and advanced the region into a golden age of peace and prosperity, slowly becoming ever more democratic and liberal in ways that its predecessors had been unable to do, and so had lost the support of the people. It also united the region and stands as a superpower in the emerging global community atmosphere.
Brief Description of your nation's economy: The economy has traditionally been very strong; large, fertile lands that have been covered in residences, cities and mass river irrigation since time immemorial have provided the nation with a vast agricultural output, recently shifting also to cash crop farming. This would have generally been enough to keep the economy going in the best of times by itself, but there are also large and ever-expanding mining industries in the Himalayas and other nearby mountain ranges, in addition to manufacturing in the cities, where jewellery, perfume, candles, furniture, ships, arms and more are churned out of the vast urban population centres, which too are growing. All of this is aided further by other produces including those of rare stones, fishing, trade tariffs, books and more. Generally, the economy is a net exporter, and imports are usually ephemeral shortages being filled in or foreign luxuries, which are amply afforded. The surplus has also allowed much import of less essential goods such as documents, which have aided the nation's scientific and scholarly development. All of this is overseen quite efficiently by the government; some of the most modern corporate laws in the world exist here, and innovation in the largely capitalist economy is rampant, insofar as profit is concerned. Rights for workers and other restrictions regarding moral law, bias and duress exist, ensuring that the industries do not control the country, but trade and production both generally bring in huge amounts of money to the government. The government does not need to worry greatly, but it maintains a strict policy in sticking to the principles of allowing the people to prosper by their own work and deeds, creating the necessary legislation to allow them to do so as efficiently as possible, while still maintaining common decency and a limited control over things such as forgery, wartime production, embargoes, etc.
Brief Description of your nation's government: As detailed above, the government is in its most basic classification a constitutional monarchy. Specifically, it is a hereditary executive monarchy, with the constitution laying out many powers but creating relatively few governmental bodies to maintain much; it mainly defines the monarch's powers and how he may delegate ones restricted, which tend to be spread into a mass of bureaucracy or neglected on occasion, if not essential. There is little separation of powers, but the judiciary at least may begin to separate itself eventually; a very detailed and exact codification of law exists. Overall, it is a stable, well-maintained, centralised, corruption-purged, capitalistic system. It maintains a strongly loyal military in all aspects, land and sea, and is organised, with an exceedingly well-governed bureaucracy. The government, in taking input both from the people, the monarch and everybody else in between, is arguably one of the most stabilised and developed in the entire world, especially in its task of managing such a large, busy nation.
Brief Description of your nation's populace: TBD

RP Example: Oh, there's this RP called HoE I'm in: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=295908
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@Sassinia, I'd actually be happy for you to battle for rights for the people as well as independence, since it would provide a bit more drive for the constitutional push I was planning. When you eventually give up, I can ship you to a penal colony in the Americas, even! Or you could flee.

So much fun. And it also means I displace yet another unhomogeneous group to a new homeland (Fort's history was that of people fleeing the spread of Bebenism in my nation)

[Kanilion]

Well Andamens are mine, in the RVC...

And basically I'll let Lith have his moment of glory in his inventions, he's adamant about them anyway, we, who are waiting for a war, have bigger fish to fry.

And I think it'll be more logical for vassals to rise up together against an imperialist player. Like Rel and Rep said, no point having 'vassals' other than white lands if no player can spice things up and let players who are solo just roflstomp their way thru the RP anyway.

[Rephesus]

Ok that note, what's happening with Mexico? I'm still waiting on a response to my mobilization and movements.

[Alleniana]

Well Andamens are mine, in the RVC...

And basically I'll let Lith have his moment of glory in his inventions, he's adamant about them anyway, we, who are waiting for a war, have bigger fish to fry.

And I think it'll be more logical for vassals to rise up together against an imperialist player. Like Rel and Rep said, no point having 'vassals' other than white lands if no player can spice things up and let players who are solo just roflstomp their way thru the RP anyway.

Indeed, and I did RP a few revolts, but the vassals are basically excuses for oppression that isn't technically condoned by the central government.

Ok that note, what's happening with Mexico? I'm still waiting on a response to my mobilization and movements.

Against who?

[Rephesus]

Well Andamens are mine, in the RVC...

And basically I'll let Lith have his moment of glory in his inventions, he's adamant about them anyway, we, who are waiting for a war, have bigger fish to fry.

And I think it'll be more logical for vassals to rise up together against an imperialist player. Like Rel and Rep said, no point having 'vassals' other than white lands if no player can spice things up and let players who are solo just roflstomp their way thru the RP anyway.

Indeed, and I did RP a few revolts, but the vassals are basically excuses for oppression that isn't technically condoned by the central government.

Ok that note, what's happening with Mexico? I'm still waiting on a response to my mobilization and movements.

Against who?

Against the Not-Japanese. They overextended and invaded Luistanian occupied Mexico, so the Zia jumped in. I'm waiting for any sort of response.

Also I'm assuming it's a time bubble for the war, otherwise I've been invading for roughly 2.5 decades.

[Alleniana]

Indeed, and I did RP a few revolts, but the vassals are basically excuses for oppression that isn't technically condoned by the central government. Against who?

Against the Not-Japanese. They overextended and invaded Luistanian occupied Mexico, so the Zia jumped in. I'm waiting for any sort of response.

Also I'm assuming it's a time bubble for the war, otherwise I've been invading for roughly 2.5 decades.

Oh, alrighty.

[Rephesus]

So I'm going to go ahead and invent my Caribbean instruments/dance so I can have the worlds most relaxing and tropical music/culture;

-Steelpan Drum
-Limbo Dancing
-Calypso
-Carnival Festival

Also reminder in 150 years I need to start curbing and possibly ban harpooning.

[Alleniana]

So I'm going to go ahead and invent my Caribbean instruments/dance so I can have the worlds most relaxing and tropical music/culture;

-Steelpan Drum
-Limbo Dancing
-Calypso
-Carnival Festival

Also reminder in 150 years I need to start curbing and possibly ban harpooning.

I, meanwhile, will start mass-producing porn for the world, in bright defiance of all that is reasonable and sensible.

[Rephesus]

Damn you Kamasutra

[Relikai]

If there are two active players coming in, would be awesome to have them contest India and China

[Rephesus]

If there are two active players coming in, would be awesome to have them contest India and China

Gurkha wars?

[Relikai]

If there are two active players coming in, would be awesome to have them contest India and China

Gurkha wars?

Would be nice. I trained revolver shooting with Gurkhas aged 15 and they're real nasty. Saw one Gurkha running the laps around our training complexes for fun with full battle order (40kg). Bloody hell would be fun to see a big fight.

[Alleniana]

If there are two active players coming in, would be awesome to have them contest India and China

As in, attack them, or have the two fight, huh?
I'm interested, anyway. :3
Gurkhas are serious shit, but elephants will be fun too. Stamping down Napoleon's lines, I love it.

[Lithuanian Empire]

So I'm going to go ahead and invent my Caribbean instruments/dance so I can have the worlds most relaxing and tropical music/culture;

-Steelpan Drum
-Limbo Dancing
-Calypso
-Carnival Festival

Also reminder in 150 years I need to start curbing and possibly ban harpooning.

I, meanwhile, will start mass-producing porn for the world, in bright defiance of all that is reasonable and sensible.

So you're going to invent Hentai or not?

Also reminder to create NationStates in 2001, and History of Empires in 2014.

By the way, if someone's going to make Dragon Ball, make the high-tiers universal, so Goku could beat Superman.

[Bujahla]

I'm pretty sure I invented printing press first, and what constitutes a "national epic" and "standardised grammar" is debatable (I had some very early rulers declaring that certain things were to be pronounced a certain way, for example). I'm also iffy on crop rotation.

Printing press yours, you say?
Link to post or it didn't happen. I discovered it in early 1500s in my summing up post.

Next time I will make sure I'm more active from the get go and be involved with inventing stuff.

I don't really care.

However, we can assume that the same creation appeared in two separate places with no interaction between them, and that we both invented the printing press, just that it so happened that I was first, but you are still important.

>.>
I'm pretty sure that backdating isn't allowed when it forces an earlier post to be different, e.g. a battle's beginning being RPed and then the other side creating a backdated post that their army actually never went there. Otherwise people could not post for 1000 years, say, and then backdate a post to say that they had actually been producing a resource that nobody else produced since 100 years ago, suddenly creating a "nah nah you have to edit your last century's posts because you've suddenly no income"

It isn't allowed.

But in this, it doesn't force to change an earlier post. There have been many instances where different civilizations discover the same thing without even knowing that the other already did it.

But we probably did... assuming that the printing press didn't fade into obscurity, we would've heard of it within the decade.

I just want to say I'm really proud of Allen I didn't think it was possible, but it seems he's managed to create his Indian superstate after all. I was almost certain it would be invaded and partitioned like it usually is, but I conceded, Allen is a very skilled planner, so good for you man you deserve an HOE Medal

I'm quite happy as well. I was almost certain that I'd never find a way to get the nice rounded borders in the Himalayas when Quirina got the vassal, Fort clung on and Relikai invaded Burma, and I was worried about Byzantines in Sri Lanka, Orson for a while and possible colonial conquerors, but they all sort of faded away.

It feels nice. Now all I've to do is annex the vassals, perhaps battle Sassinia's guerillas for a bit, and then jump onto the international stage; some African or Australian colonies would be interesting.

Yay for Al. You should take part of Africa. That'd be great.

Oricland would welcome a secret rebel group, I think.

I highly doubt that a Nordic free-state on the eastern seaboard would welcome a flood of angry south Asian rebels who just sailed around the world to just come live with them. They'd probably burn them for hearsay and lying, and then 200 years later when science and historians prove they were telling the truth it'll make for a very awkward joke.

*Nordic-Native free-state

[Alleniana]

Yay for Al. You should take part of Africa. That'd be great.

I was going to, but it was only a few days ago that both the last piece of Australia and Africa closed.
I'll aim for South Georgia/Sandwich Isles, I guess.