History of Empires II (OOC, OPEN)

[Aurixa]

Indeed, and there have existed big countries in Africa IRL, like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutapa_Empire, and it's not that easy to colonize.

Was an "empire" in the 1500's (you started in 1500 BCE IIRC) that lasted for 200 years or so (you've been around for milleniums) that compromised Mozambique and Zimbabwe (you are south africa, namibia, angola, mozambique, zimbabwe, botswana, malawi, and so on and so forth). Hardly the same thing considering the difference in technology and time periods and size.

The fact that I've existed longer only increases my chances of getting bigger.

[Relikai]

Yeah thats what i meant, that according to population percentages if my military is of a higher percentage the quality would be slightly lesser at the cost of a slightly weaker ecoomy. Cant be that in a full battle a 1% army which is half of my force can roflstomp me just because the player says so can he ?




I did the purchase but....

@Emerald, mind if you post an update of your nation, population and military especially ?

Aw but dude you already have so much land can I have like bit of Brittany or something?
Also not gonna contest that he gave you the land but in what world would a national leader just give away near enough half of his land because it would help a bit? I can't imagine the populous will be all that chuffed...

Come on man, my lands count for nothing since they are just crap in value and cannot maintain a large population, or have a "super inflated unrealistic number" which some took the opportunity to dubuff while ignoring countless IC policies and of course, cant maintain an army of sizeable proportions over several towns and cities too. So I think I have a large Quantity of low Quality, which really dilutes my vision to the strength of a weakling... just gotta live with it and build up from what little I have eh!

[Kryskov]

I think I will do some desalination stuff called krukakopp.

[Galnius]

That population and land is with the East and West empires combined, and it's 26 million at max. So I'm sure there is a case when data is there to be found, and you may have more land, but those lands are not the same as Italy and Carthage, if you want to play that card.

The 26 million was from 565. The Western Empire had been gone for 100 years. The Byzantines obviously included some former Western lands, but nowhere close to all of them. And, again, there were less total people in 565 than there were in 1300.

I got my data purely from censuses/historical data about various parts of the Bzyantine Empire in 1300, along with the surrounding areas. I'm not powergaming, the ~31 million makes sense for the land I hold with the HOE timeline the way it is.

Also, sidenote, Galnius and I agreed on 17 million for Yrtip.

We did, and I posted.

[The Emerald Dragon]

Ireland, itself can support around 11-15 million people at best.

[Relikai]

Ireland, itself can support around 11-15 million people at best.

Oh really? Not that I'm skeptical but in the name of Real Historical Numbers thats unlikely. And please do explain how your siege weapons just magically appear, and I would like to have public observation on Indestructible Eiri Shields, digging a 2 meter deep trench for 20,000 men, and scrambling the whole lot out in a matter of minutes, while taking almost no casualties.

Explain yourself.

[The Emerald Dragon]

Ireland, itself can support around 11-15 million people at best.

Oh really? Not that I'm skeptical but in the name of Real Historical Numbers thats unlikely. And please do explain how your siege weapons just magically appear, and I would like to have public observation on Indestructible Eiri Shields, digging a 2 meter deep trench for 20,000 men, and scrambling the whole lot out in a matter of minutes, while taking almost no casualties.

Explain yourself.

1.) The shields aren't indestructible, the arrowheads'll get stuck in them and not go clean through.
2.) I guess, i forgot that i never bought siege weapons along. But did you write you had either?
3.) I underestimated two metres, because i thought 20,000 could do it quicker.
4.) You said yourself that the trench could only fit 4,000 to 6,000, thus they can get out
5.) I'm taking about a later date, as in the early 1830s Ireland's population reached over 8,000,000.
6.) I believe you were mentioning i was taking casualties in your IC posts, so i'd like an explanation for this...

[Relikai]

Oh really? Not that I'm skeptical but in the name of Real Historical Numbers thats unlikely. And please do explain how your siege weapons just magically appear, and I would like to have public observation on Indestructible Eiri Shields, digging a 2 meter deep trench for 20,000 men, and scrambling the whole lot out in a matter of minutes, while taking almost no casualties.

Explain yourself.

1.) The shields aren't indestructible, the arrowheads'll get stuck in them and not go clean through.
2.) I guess, i forgot that i never bought siege weapons along. But did you write you had either?
3.) I underestimated two metres, because i thought 20,000 could do it quicker.
4.) You said yourself that the trench could only fit 4,000 to 6,000, thus they can get out
5.) I'm taking about a later date, as in the early 1830s Ireland's population reached over 8,000,000.
6.) I believe you were mentioning i was taking casualties in your IC posts, so i'd like an explanation for this...

1) therefore, indestructible, forever arrow proof.
2) READ the post where I set up the map.
3+4) Yeah so under a barrage from a thousand only 18 died scrambling up muddy soil in armour and shield and weapon, easier than doing it with a rifle.
5) everyone's talking about now, the current timeline. at least we cleared this.
6) Well otherwise there will only be 18 deaths despite the barrage and camping within that muddy death trap of Agincourt - like fields in between the armies, helped by the trench in mud.

You wanna win Emerald? Sure, but do it in a way where materials are materials and men are not supermen.

[The Akasha Colony]

@Akasha, is your population in your factbook updated? I was going to peg my population around 100 million until I checked yours... the Mauryan empire, for example, around the turn of the AD, had 50-60 million.

No, not yet. I haven't updated it in a bit.

[The Emerald Dragon]

1.) The shields aren't indestructible, the arrowheads'll get stuck in them and not go clean through.
2.) I guess, i forgot that i never bought siege weapons along. But did you write you had either?
3.) I underestimated two metres, because i thought 20,000 could do it quicker.
4.) You said yourself that the trench could only fit 4,000 to 6,000, thus they can get out
5.) I'm taking about a later date, as in the early 1830s Ireland's population reached over 8,000,000.
6.) I believe you were mentioning i was taking casualties in your IC posts, so i'd like an explanation for this...

1) therefore, indestructible, forever arrow proof.
2) READ the post where I set up the map.
3+4) Yeah so under a barrage from a thousand only 18 died scrambling up muddy soil in armour and shield and weapon, easier than doing it with a rifle.
5) everyone's talking about now, the current timeline. at least we cleared this.
6) Well otherwise there will only be 18 deaths despite the barrage and camping within that muddy death trap of Agincourt - like fields in between the armies, helped by the trench in mud.

You wanna win Emerald? Sure, but do it in a way where materials are materials and men are not supermen.

My population isn't 11 million now.

[Adurnak]

Aw but dude you already have so much land can I have like bit of Brittany or something?
Also not gonna contest that he gave you the land but in what world would a national leader just give away near enough half of his land because it would help a bit? I can't imagine the populous will be all that chuffed...

Come on man, my lands count for nothing since they are just crap in value and cannot maintain a large population, or have a "super inflated unrealistic number" which some took the opportunity to dubuff while ignoring countless IC policies and of course, cant maintain an army of sizeable proportions over several towns and cities too. So I think I have a large Quantity of low Quality, which really dilutes my vision to the strength of a weakling... just gotta live with it and build up from what little I have eh!

What makes you think that most of Spain and France, the baleric islands, cosica, and sardinia 'count for nothing' exactly? Spain has gold and silver mines, France is very temperate and fertile meaning on the Mediterranean you can export olive oil, wine, whatever.
Your position is prime for trade with those huge coastlines on the Atlantic and Mediterranean.
As for populations, see this:
http://www.tacitus.nu/historical-atlas/ ... europe.htm

[Great Houses of Xie]

RE the ridiculously long post by Alleniana:

Only Japan and specifically Akasha's part of China, as per the treaty.

Though, it would appear as though Silverii just developed it.

[The Polarian Empire]

Maybe I should go colonize Ire and Albion? Imagine that, AztecMayan Britannia.

You make me laugh

[Rephesus]

Maybe I should go colonize Ire and Albion? Imagine that, AztecMayan Britannia.

You make me laugh

[Relikai]

How cool, a second grand union. Unfortunately Kilgrate's failed when we went to war

[Neo-Assyrian Empire]

How cool, a second grand union. Unfortunately Kilgrate's failed when we went to war

Can't wait until one of the nations get power hungry and try to over take the other.

Anyways, an update post is coming for both Preusenia and Sviessland tonight. Should be up in the next hour.

[Relikai]

How cool, a second grand union. Unfortunately Kilgrate's failed when we went to war

Can't wait until one of the nations get power hungry and try to over take the other.

Anyways, an update post is coming for both Preusenia and Sviessland tonight. Should be up in the next hour.

Do you know whos in Normandy ? Passing his nation to one of the new guys who wanna join.

[Neo-Assyrian Empire]

Can't wait until one of the nations get power hungry and try to over take the other.

Anyways, an update post is coming for both Preusenia and Sviessland tonight. Should be up in the next hour.

Do you know whos in Normandy ? Passing his nation to one of the new guys who wanna join.

The blue one? I think it's Ballycolumbia, or something like that.

[Redemption-America]

The 26 million was from 565. The Western Empire had been gone for 100 years. The Byzantines obviously included some former Western lands, but nowhere close to all of them. And, again, there were less total people in 565 than there were in 1300.

I got my data purely from censuses/historical data about various parts of the Bzyantine Empire in 1300, along with the surrounding areas. I'm not powergaming, the ~31 million makes sense for the land I hold with the HOE timeline the way it is.

Also, sidenote, Galnius and I agreed on 17 million for Yrtip.

We did, and I posted.

Yep, I will soon too.

[Kryskov]

#Scandinavia1210

[Neo-Assyrian Empire]

#Scandinavia1210

#KalmarUnionBestUnion #1397

[Bujahla]

Was an "empire" in the 1500's (you started in 1500 BCE IIRC) that lasted for 200 years or so (you've been around for milleniums) that compromised Mozambique and Zimbabwe (you are south africa, namibia, angola, mozambique, zimbabwe, botswana, malawi, and so on and so forth). Hardly the same thing considering the difference in technology and time periods and size.



Or not. If Japan can colonize the Americas from what, the early centuries of CE, than so can I.

They are in the Aleutian islands, and no more; due to overpopulation, IIRC. Wouldn't the equivalent be Greenland, don't you say, especially for the chronically underpopulated Scandinavia lands?

He also owns the coast of Alaska, but not the province part. Don't worry, I won't have my colony function for long, though it'll be bigger and more well developed so that it'll survive and when it's rediscovered, it can be reclaimed like greenland was.

[Kryskov]

He also owns the coast of Alaska, but not the province part. Don't worry, WE won't have OUR colony function for long, though it'll be bigger and more well developed so that it'll survive and when it's rediscovered, it can be reclaimed like greenland was.

[Relikai]

@ Polarian, I was asking what do you want in return of the sales of the land LOL

[Rephesus]

Expanding to RL French Guinea (2 Provinces iirc)