History of Empires II (OOC, OPEN)

[Rephesus]

Imagine Vikings colonizing Central America.

The Scots tried that once. That's why they're with England now.

And this is why I like you.

Congratulations, you just earned yourself half of one of the Antilles islands of your choice. You can own it for the next 600 years.

Just call now with your credit card information and social security number to verify!

[Bujahla]

Imagine Vikings colonizing Central America.

The Scots tried that once. That's why they're with England now.

Lol. I was hoping someone would get the reference.

None the less, unlike last time, I will make sure that we aren't afraid of colonizing locals. That was a major fear last game (cause everyone was scared of outside pressure) so that won't happen again.

[Rephesus]

The Scots tried that once. That's why they're with England now.

Lol. I was hoping someone would get the reference.

None the less, unlike last time, I will make sure that we aren't afraid of colonizing locals. That was a major fear last game (cause everyone was scared of outside pressure) so that won't happen again.

Oh we won't be afraid, colonizing Scandinavia will be easy.

[Bujahla]

Lol. I was hoping someone would get the reference.

None the less, unlike last time, I will make sure that we aren't afraid of colonizing locals. That was a major fear last game (cause everyone was scared of outside pressure) so that won't happen again.

Oh we won't be afraid, colonizing Scandinavia will be easy.

Says the nomads

[Relikai]

You guys do some real PvP while I finish up and head to Brazil to catch the World Cup

[Rephesus]

Oh we won't be afraid, colonizing Scandinavia will be easy.

Says the nomads

We aren't nomads.

And the mongols were nomads. That's right.

[Kryskov]

Yo Buj, I'd be down for a personal union where you'd be the military force and I'd be a economic and research force. I'd marry my monarch to yours and our descendants would have a hyphenated last name. Each nation would have a regency council that would conduct local affairs.

[Bujahla]

Yo Buj, I'd be down for a personal union where you'd be the military force and I'd be a economic and research force. I'd marry my monarch to yours and our descendants would have a hyphenated last name. Each nation would have a regency council that would conduct local affairs.

Sounds swell. Confirm final details in TG?

[Kryskov]

Yo Buj, I'd be down for a personal union where you'd be the military force and I'd be a economic and research force. I'd marry my monarch to yours and our descendants would have a hyphenated last name. Each nation would have a regency council that would conduct local affairs.

Sounds swell. Confirm final details in TG?

Sure, you start or I?

[Bujahla]

Sounds swell. Confirm final details in TG?

Sure, you start or I?

You pls since I'll be sleeping soon, lol.

[Relikai]

Our battle is going nowhere. I cant progress if my opponent fails to accept that hes been drawn into an Agincourt, especially when he surrendered the level ground while trying to dig a 2 meter trench for 20,000 men...

[Aurixa]

Can we please talk about how their is somehow a kingdom in south africa that's the size of half of the United States of America....

Well, Russia was pretty huge too, doesn't mean it's all populated. Think about it, only one group that is advanced enough, with no competition in the area, yes they are probably severely behind in tech due to a lack of people to exchange ideas with, but that said they are easily the South African hegemon, South Africa was dominated by the Zulu before, had they been more advanced than their rivals and had the adequate resources, I'm sure they could've taken that. That said, they are probably very unstable due to rival tribes.

The reason we all aren't that big simply is because many of us aren't active and don't post expansions, some do (Just look at Iberia..)

Indeed, and there have existed big countries in Africa IRL, like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutapa_Empire, and it's not that easy to colonize.

[Alleniana]

Yeah, the 900k would just be... rabble with a weapon... treat them as Peasants in the Total War franchise, then the Local Guards are the 'militia' class..

But the professionals would have to be on the same quality as the others at the very least, as they would not be deployed all together at any one time.

How about Western Sahara / Mauritania in this map ?

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Same quality? At least? No. I assume everybody else is hanging around the 1% mark, and if so, their professional armies will be much better trained, if smaller.

Either, or both, do you mean?

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Olisipo or something was the Latin name for Lisbon, wasn't it?

Allen, so you gonna roflstomp me...?

yeah
yeah
gimme a sec
I send 100,000 spearpplz nao

I feel like this RP is being more hurried than it's predecessor.

I am the vikings. I am going to find newfoundland as I should...

And then the people who land will lose contact and die off or intermingle without a trace.

Unless you're already that side of the Atlantic then it's still a bit too early for discovering Brazil.
As Portugal (give or take a few miles) I reckon I should be the first european nation to get to the new world as it was irl

The Vikings were first actually. And many theorize West Africans also found the Brazilian coast.

Anyway, I am literally 1 province above the Amazon and yet I am forbidden to discover it. It also just happens that I'm going to have a population crisis soon because I have way more food than anything else. Except people to eat that food, I think it's time to build Tenochichilan or another city.

As if people have ever been afraid of too much food?
You can go and discover it, then, sure. Building a Tenochtitlan in the big scary Amazon though? No.

Yeah.... Speaking of which, @Neo and @Al and @Horus, can I discover the new world?

I don't think it would be too early. You own Greenland already, right?

Also, everyone, due to how quick things are moving, I think we should slow down to 10y/d. Everyone okay with that?

Hmm...
Poll, maybe?

(Image) New claims

Such conquer

1200? Wow, I need to update lots of things, man.

What about the spread of gunpowder? Has gunpowder already reach Southeast Asia?

So far, 2 nations have seen gunpowder in action: Japan and China.

As in, the people in those regions, or you and Akasha?

Okay, so this is my theory. Redemption and I sarted with the same pop. (3 mil). He has more land than I do, so he would have a slight amount more people. probably around 20% more. Where would that put him and me currently?

I believe you would have more as the Nilemaster, but I dunno.

I'll just add on the missed one to this:
Zia expansion past 300 years; RL Guyanas

Actually slow down plox

Just my two cents, but the Nile was able to feed the rest of the Egyptian nation and much of the various empires that controlled it. The Nile is like the Tigris, Euphrates or Indus is that it is a breadbasket for agriculture capable of feeding masses.

The problem is that there is nothing beyond the Nile to do that, everything else around it is a desert. Which is also true of the Tigris and Euphrates, but not true of all others (e.g. the Indus, Yellow, or Yangtze rivers).

It usually exported a lot of its food though, and using it to grow its own population rather than some other empire's would push it up, I imagine.
Just my two cents, though; I'm not quite sure about the whole thing, haven't taken a detailed look yet.

I do notice Byzantine ownership of Mesopotamia.

Anyway, sorry with not updating for such a long time, but scholarship test and domestic issues and sickness and assignments and stuff knocked me right out of the game. My holidays are in 4 days though, so surely not too much can get sprung on me in that time?

Can we please talk about how their is somehow a kingdom in south africa that's the size of half of the United States of America....

I feel like them and Zia are getting too big to be tenable.

Well, Russia was pretty huge too, doesn't mean it's all populated. Think about it, only one group that is advanced enough, with no competition in the area, yes they are probably severely behind in tech due to a lack of people to exchange ideas with, but that said they are easily the South African hegemon, South Africa was dominated by the Zulu before, had they been more advanced than their rivals and had the adequate resources, I'm sure they could've taken that. That said, they are probably very unstable due to rival tribes.

The reason we all aren't that big simply is because many of us aren't active and don't post expansions, some do (Just look at Iberia..)

Indeed, and there have existed big countries in Africa IRL, like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutapa_Empire, and it's not that easy to colonize.

Just pointing out that these maps of African countries were often vastly swollen in showing the interior, since the European mapmakers had no idea and were all too willing to assume the kingdom was Prester John's land.

Could I ask who the blue in Afghanistan & north-west of it is?

[Adurnak]

I am going to post and Akasha I have all of Britain and I am going to sell my french land

Hey if you're letting the mainland go I want in on it, need to increase my influence, and lands, and power and....

[Relikai]

Same quality? At least? No. I assume everybody else is hanging around the 1% mark, and if so, their professional armies will be much better trained, if smaller.

Either, or both, do you mean?

Yeah thats what i meant, that according to population percentages if my military is of a higher percentage the quality would be slightly lesser at the cost of a slightly weaker ecoomy. Cant be that in a full battle a 1% army which is half of my force can roflstomp me just because the player says so can he ?

I am going to post and Akasha I have all of Britain and I am going to sell my french land

<br abp="660">Hey if you're letting the mainland go I want in on it, need to increase my influence, and lands, and power and....

I did the purchase but....

@Emerald, mind if you post an update of your nation, population and military especially ?

[Adurnak]

Same quality? At least? No. I assume everybody else is hanging around the 1% mark, and if so, their professional armies will be much better trained, if smaller.

Either, or both, do you mean?

Yeah thats what i meant, that according to population percentages if my military is of a higher percentage the quality would be slightly lesser at the cost of a slightly weaker ecoomy. Cant be that in a full battle a 1% army which is half of my force can roflstomp me just because the player says so can he ?

<br abp="660">Hey if you're letting the mainland go I want in on it, need to increase my influence, and lands, and power and....

I did the purchase but....

@Emerald, mind if you post an update of your nation, population and military especially ?

Aw but dude you already have so much land can I have like bit of Brittany or something?
Also not gonna contest that he gave you the land but in what world would a national leader just give away near enough half of his land because it would help a bit? I can't imagine the populous will be all that chuffed...

[Adurnak]

MAP UPDATE

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Some claims might have gotten missed in the discussion along with changes to some (e.g. Relikai changing the African claims).

Hey can I have the last few white areas of Morocco and the two northwest provinces of that grey desert nation in Algeria please?
(I'm Portugal /Morocco btw)

[Rephesus]

Slow down? I've expanded 3 provinces in the past 1200 years.

[Bujahla]

Well, Russia was pretty huge too, doesn't mean it's all populated. Think about it, only one group that is advanced enough, with no competition in the area, yes they are probably severely behind in tech due to a lack of people to exchange ideas with, but that said they are easily the South African hegemon, South Africa was dominated by the Zulu before, had they been more advanced than their rivals and had the adequate resources, I'm sure they could've taken that. That said, they are probably very unstable due to rival tribes.

The reason we all aren't that big simply is because many of us aren't active and don't post expansions, some do (Just look at Iberia..)

Indeed, and there have existed big countries in Africa IRL, like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutapa_Empire, and it's not that easy to colonize.

Was an "empire" in the 1500's (you started in 1500 BCE IIRC) that lasted for 200 years or so (you've been around for milleniums) that compromised Mozambique and Zimbabwe (you are south africa, namibia, angola, mozambique, zimbabwe, botswana, malawi, and so on and so forth). Hardly the same thing considering the difference in technology and time periods and size.

I am the vikings. I am going to find newfoundland as I should...

And then the people who land will lose contact and die off or intermingle without a trace.

Or not. If Japan can colonize the Americas from what, the early centuries of CE, than so can I.

[Alleniana]

Indeed, and there have existed big countries in Africa IRL, like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutapa_Empire, and it's not that easy to colonize.

Was an "empire" in the 1500's (you started in 1500 BCE IIRC) that lasted for 200 years or so (you've been around for milleniums) that compromised Mozambique and Zimbabwe (you are south africa, namibia, angola, mozambique, zimbabwe, botswana, malawi, and so on and so forth). Hardly the same thing considering the difference in technology and time periods and size.

And then the people who land will lose contact and die off or intermingle without a trace.

Or not. If Japan can colonize the Americas from what, the early centuries of CE, than so can I.

They are in the Aleutian islands, and no more; due to overpopulation, IIRC. Wouldn't the equivalent be Greenland, don't you say, especially for the chronically underpopulated Scandinavia lands?

Slow down? I've expanded 3 provinces in the past 1200 years.

Not so much slow down so much as "y u so big alredy dafuuq"

[Rephesus]

Well I'm going to get shitted in when colonialism starts, might as well enjoy it while I can and I down hard.

[Alleniana]

Well I'm going to get shitted in when colonialism starts, might as well enjoy it while I can and I down hard.

Ehh, fine, as long as you don't go "me big, me kill Yurop"
and then flop a couple hundred thousand at them.

[Kryskov]

I think Buj and I have come to a good agreement for a merger into one big scandinav stronk

[Rephesus]

Well I'm going to get shitted in when colonialism starts, might as well enjoy it while I can and I down hard.

Ehh, fine, as long as you don't go "me big, me kill Yurop"
and then flop a couple hundred thousand at them.

I'm not leaving the new world.

I will however try to get rich off that crazy magic sugar shit that Europe is obsessed with.

And btw I won't be building a city in the amazon if you were concerned about that

[Alleniana]

@Akasha, is your population in your factbook updated? I was going to peg my population around 100 million until I checked yours... the Mauryan empire, for example, around the turn of the AD, had 50-60 million.

Ehh, fine, as long as you don't go "me big, me kill Yurop"
and then flop a couple hundred thousand at them.

I'm not leaving the new world.

I will however try to get rich off that crazy magic sugar shit that Europe is obsessed with.

And btw I won't be building a city in the amazon if you were concerned about that

I will let you claim the Amazon under one condition.
That in the modern age, you have a tribe that lives amidst the forest, walking about and living off the bush, and wherever possible, flashing at explorers.
*nod nod*

Seriously though, it should be fine. I think.