1905 AH RP: The Aftermath of a Great War (OOC/Open)

[The Victorian Empire]

No, Constantinople.

What do you mean? Your statement has me confused...

Byzantium isn't the Holy Land...

Exactly! When I refer to Byzantium, I'm referring to the Ottoman Empire/Former Byzantine Empire, which we completely took over from the Great war, then split up into Russian Held Anatolia and the Russian Ruled puppet state of Byzantia, which has to deal with Muslims. The Pope would have too many problems ruling Byzantium; the Muslims, the Influx of Russians, that sliver of land where Bedouins roam we don't own. Too much for him.

Also, isn't the Russian capital now Constantinople/Istanbul? I'd imagine you'd have fun taking that.

It isn't yet, but we intend to make it our Capital. Right now, the Hagia Sophia is being Re-Orthodoxied and a new Castle is being built there.

The Holy Land would be modern Israel and Lebanon. And didn't you give it to him?

[Dangelia]

Exactly! When I refer to Byzantium, I'm referring to the Ottoman Empire/Former Byzantine Empire, which we completely took over from the Great war, then split up into Russian Held Anatolia and the Russian Ruled puppet state of Byzantia, which has to deal with Muslims. The Pope would have too many problems ruling Byzantium; the Muslims, the Influx of Russians, that sliver of land where Bedouins roam we don't own. Too much for him.

Keep in mind HH isn't even ruling Jerusalem. He is sending the camerlengo to set up a papal provisional government while an agreement with the Jewish leaders as to how to govern the region is being reached. The region will basically be fully autonomous and run by, preferably, a council of five Catholics and five Jews. That way the Holy Land is under the protection of the Papacy but does not feel oppressed at all by the Catholic Church.

And what about the Orthodox?

[The Victorian Empire]

Name of your Rebel Group: Liberate Jerusalem (Освободить Иерусалим)
Country that you are rebelling in: Russia
Base of Operations: Moscow
Number of Followers/Members: 400,000
Why you are rebelling: To take Jerusalem back from the Pope
Popular support: Extremeley large support from the people of Russia and the entire Orthodox world.
Quality of Weapons, from 1 to 10: 4
Short history of your Group: The Orthodox were appalled when they heard that Russia had given away Jerusalem to the Vatican. They fear that their Christian churches will be seized by the Catholics.
429 (It helps to find apps)

I don't know how many Orthodox you think are in Jerusalem, but...

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Actually, as per the agreement with Russia, there is total religious freedom within Jerusalem. The Church has more than enough funds to build its own churches. Besides, the area is mainly Jewish/Islamic. Not many Orthodox people would have arrived as of yet.

[Elderowa]

Exactly! When I refer to Byzantium, I'm referring to the Ottoman Empire/Former Byzantine Empire, which we completely took over from the Great war, then split up into Russian Held Anatolia and the Russian Ruled puppet state of Byzantia, which has to deal with Muslims. The Pope would have too many problems ruling Byzantium; the Muslims, the Influx of Russians, that sliver of land where Bedouins roam we don't own. Too much for him.

Keep in mind HH isn't even ruling Jerusalem. He is sending the camerlengo to set up a papal provisional government while an agreement with the Jewish leaders as to how to govern the region is being reached. The region will basically be fully autonomous and run by, preferably, a council of five Catholics and five Jews. That way the Holy Land is under the protection of the Papacy but does not feel oppressed at all by the Catholic Church.

I noticed that as well. I'd also suggest that that Council have some Orthodox Christians in there as well, or at least an Orthodox President or something like that.

[The Victorian Empire]

Wait, so did Russia give the Pope the Holy Land or what?

[Elderowa]

Wait, so did Russia give the Pope the Holy Land or what?

I did indeed give him the Holy Land of Israel. But I kept Constantinople/Istanbul/Byzantium for myself.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Wait, so did Russia give the Pope the Holy Land or what?

Technically, yes. Think of it more as a vassal of the Papacy and not part of it.

Also, I see no issues with Orthodox people also sitting on the council. Five from each religion would bring the council to fifteen members, which is okay with me.

[The Victorian Empire]

Wait, so did Russia give the Pope the Holy Land or what?

Technically, yes. Think of it more as a vassal of the Papacy and not part of it.

Alright, so long as I don't have to edit the map again.

[Dangelia]

Name of your Rebel Group: Liberate Jerusalem (Освободить Иерусалим)
Country that you are rebelling in: Russia
Base of Operations: Moscow
Number of Followers/Members: 400,000
Why you are rebelling: To take Jerusalem back from the Pope
Popular support: Extremeley large support from the people of Russia and the entire Orthodox world.
Quality of Weapons, from 1 to 10: 4
Short history of your Group: The Orthodox were appalled when they heard that Russia had given away Jerusalem to the Vatican. They fear that their Christian churches will be seized by the Catholics.
429 (It helps to find apps)

I don't know how many Orthodox you think are in Jerusalem, but...

There are approximately 8,000 Christians in Jerusalem, mostly Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox.

[Marsisian]

Name of your Rebel Group: Liberate Jerusalem (Освободить Иерусалим)
Country that you are rebelling in: Russia
Base of Operations: Moscow
Number of Followers/Members: 400,000
Why you are rebelling: To take Jerusalem back from the Pope
Popular support: Extremeley large support from the people of Russia and the entire Orthodox world.
Quality of Weapons, from 1 to 10: 4
Short history of your Group: The Orthodox were appalled when they heard that Russia had given away Jerusalem to the Vatican. They fear that their Christian churches will be seized by the Catholics.
429 (It helps to find apps)

Accepted

[Kargintina]

soon i will post another post up dont worry the terrorist army isnt reaching Wroclaw yet it will be about the dictator and dealing with the many problems of the new nation(somewhat new nation)

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Technically, yes. Think of it more as a vassal of the Papacy and not part of it.

Alright, so long as I don't have to edit the map again.

I'm not even on it so it doesn't matter much, unless you wish to perfectly dot in Vatican City.

And don't feel the bother to update the map just for Jerusalem. Wait until you have to do it for another major nation joining. I think we might be seeing a unified Iberia, so do it then.

[Dangelia]

Wait, so did Russia give the Pope the Holy Land or what?

Technically, yes. Think of it more as a vassal of the Papacy and not part of it.

Also, I see no issues with Orthodox people also sitting on the council. Five from each religion would bring the council to fifteen members, which is okay with me.

Also, what happens to the a church's that the Orthodox claim in Jerusalem such as the Church of the Resurrection.

[Marsisian]

No, Constantinople.

What do you mean? Your statement has me confused...

Byzantium isn't the Holy Land...

Exactly! When I refer to Byzantium, I'm referring to the Ottoman Empire/Former Byzantine Empire, which we completely took over from the Great war, then split up into Russian Held Anatolia and the Russian Ruled puppet state of Byzantia, which has to deal with Muslims. The Pope would have too many problems ruling Byzantium; the Muslims, the Influx of Russians, that sliver of land where Bedouins roam we don't own. Too much for him.

Also, isn't the Russian capital now Constantinople/Istanbul? I'd imagine you'd have fun taking that.

It isn't yet, but we intend to make it our Capital. Right now, the Hagia Sophia is being Re-Orthodoxied and a new Castle is being built there.

Wow. You're making a city that you gained only a few years back your capital instead of Saint Petersburg, a city that's been the Russian Empire's capital for over 300 years and holds a ton of historical significance, or Moscow, a city that was the Grand Duchy of Moscow, a city that evolved into the Tsardom of Russia, then into the Russian Empire, and also hold a ton of historical significance.

Russians will not be happy.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Technically, yes. Think of it more as a vassal of the Papacy and not part of it.

Also, I see no issues with Orthodox people also sitting on the council. Five from each religion would bring the council to fifteen members, which is okay with me.

Also, what happens to the a church's that the Orthodox claim in Jerusalem such as the Church of the Resurrection.

Well, at the upcoming Religious Conference of Jerusalem is really when the government would be established. One of the goals is to reach an agreement that all parties, mainly the Catholics, Jews, and Orthodoxies all agree on. Including all branches of Orthodox, not solely Eastern.

This is not your grandfather's Catholic Church. The bleeding hearts hijacked this early on after the Great War. The actual Church was too stupid to ever do this until after WWII and really didn't get into the whole thing until Vatican II. The Church, which never asked for Jerusalem, minds you, plans on respecting the wishes and rights of all locals. The only reason the papacy is not releasing it as a sovereign state is so no one decides to attack it as chances are no one will attack it under papal protection.

The meeting with the College of Cardinals is really where you will see the Church deciding what to do with Jerusalem. Technically it has yet to exchange hands between Russia and Papal State and the Church has also not really accepted the donation publicly.

[Elderowa]

[box]Name of your Rebel Group: Liberate Jerusalem (Освободить Иерусалим)

Accepted

... I haven't even announced that to the world yet!

Let me actually announce it to the World before you can start Rebelling.

Technically, yes. Think of it more as a vassal of the Papacy and not part of it.

Also, I see no issues with Orthodox people also sitting on the council. Five from each religion would bring the council to fifteen members, which is okay with me.

Also, what happens to the a church's that the Orthodox claim in Jerusalem such as the Church of the Resurrection.

They stay Orthodox.

The Aqsa Mosque on the Other hand... *Has a Hammer and a Sickle in his hand*

It isn't yet, but we intend to make it our Capital. Right now, the Hagia Sophia is being Re-Orthodoxied and a new Castle is being built there.

Wow. You're making a city that you gained only a few years back your capital instead of Saint Petersburg, a city that's been the Russian Empire's capital for over 300 years and holds a ton of historical significance, or Moscow, a city that was the Grand Duchy of Moscow, a city that evolved into the Tsardom of Russia, then into the Russian Empire, and also hold a ton of historical significance.

Russians will not be happy.

The Russians will be more then happy to accept Constantinople as their Capital! It's the Center of Orthodoxy! It was the main goal for Russia through out several wars with the Ottomans! Including the Great War! It has the Hagia Sophia! And since Russia claimed it was a continuation of the Byzantine Empire (or so I've been told), it only makes sense!

[Aden Protectorate]

I'm back!!! *everyone hides*

[Marsisian]

Accepted

... I haven't even announced that to the world yet!

Let me actually announce it to the World before you can start Rebelling.

Also, what happens to the a church's that the Orthodox claim in Jerusalem such as the Church of the Resurrection.

They stay Orthodox.

The Aqsa Mosque on the Other hand... *Has a Hammer and a Sickle in his hand*

Wow. You're making a city that you gained only a few years back your capital instead of Saint Petersburg, a city that's been the Russian Empire's capital for over 300 years and holds a ton of historical significance, or Moscow, a city that was the Grand Duchy of Moscow, a city that evolved into the Tsardom of Russia, then into the Russian Empire, and also hold a ton of historical significance.

Russians will not be happy.

The Russians will be more then happy to accept Constantinople as their Capital! It's the Center of Orthodoxy! It was the main goal for Russia through out several wars with the Ottomans! Including the Great War! It has the Hagia Sophia! And since Russia claimed it was a continuation of the Byzantine Empire (or so I've been told), it only makes sense!

I mean, seriously, what is with the smilies?

Still, many Russians will not be happy about the change from a city that does not hold any significance except the fact that it's the center of a religion and capital of a continuation of an empire that was at odds with Kievan Rus', their ancestral state.

[Aden Protectorate]

... I haven't even announced that to the world yet!

Let me actually announce it to the World before you can start Rebelling.



They stay Orthodox.

The Aqsa Mosque on the Other hand... *Has a Hammer and a Sickle in his hand*



The Russians will be more then happy to accept Constantinople as their Capital! It's the Center of Orthodoxy! It was the main goal for Russia through out several wars with the Ottomans! Including the Great War! It has the Hagia Sophia! And since Russia claimed it was a continuation of the Byzantine Empire (or so I've been told), it only makes sense!

I mean, seriously, what is with the smilies?

Still, many Russians will not be happy about the change from a city that does not hold any significance except the fact that it's the center of a religion and capital of a continuation of an empire that was at odds with Kievan Rus', their ancestral state.

I agree.

[The Victorian Empire]

Alright, so long as I don't have to edit the map again.

I'm not even on it so it doesn't matter much, unless you wish to perfectly dot in Vatican City.

And don't feel the bother to update the map just for Jerusalem. Wait until you have to do it for another major nation joining. I think we might be seeing a unified Iberia, so do it then.

http://i.imgur.com/iCjir7x.png

#FUCKTHEPOLICE

[Elderowa]

I mean, seriously, what is with the smilies?

Still, many Russians will not be happy about the change from a city that does not hold any significance except the fact that it's the center of a religion and capital of a continuation of an empire that was at odds with Kievan Rus', their ancestral state.

I like smilies. They help show emotion on the Internet.

And Many Russians will be happy with the change. Especially if they are religious (Which most Farmers/Former Serfs and Former Soldiers are) or Patriotic (Many Factory Workers and Urban People are). It shows how far we've come from being enemy of the Byzantines to the Sole Reason Byzantia exists and that we saved Constantinople from becoming Islamic (We've been De-Islamizing it for a while now).

[Marsisian]

I mean, seriously, what is with the smilies?

Still, many Russians will not be happy about the change from a city that does not hold any significance except the fact that it's the center of a religion and capital of a continuation of an empire that was at odds with Kievan Rus', their ancestral state.

I like smilies. They help show emotion on the Internet.

And Many Russians will be happy with the change. Especially if they are religious (Which most Farmers/Former Serfs and Former Soldiers are) or Patriotic (Many Factory Workers and Urban People are). It shows how far we've come from being enemy of the Byzantines to the Sole Reason Byzantia exists and that we saved Constantinople from becoming Islamic (We've been De-Islamizing it for a while now).

Just stop, many peoples eyes are becoming blind.

Also just stop trying to justify the change in capital, a lot of people are going to get pissed off and there's nothing you can do about it.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

I'm not even on it so it doesn't matter much, unless you wish to perfectly dot in Vatican City.

And don't feel the bother to update the map just for Jerusalem. Wait until you have to do it for another major nation joining. I think we might be seeing a unified Iberia, so do it then.

http://i.imgur.com/iCjir7x.png

#FUCKTHEPOLICE

I applaud your effort.

[Aden Protectorate]

I'm not even on it so it doesn't matter much, unless you wish to perfectly dot in Vatican City.

And don't feel the bother to update the map just for Jerusalem. Wait until you have to do it for another major nation joining. I think we might be seeing a unified Iberia, so do it then.

http://i.imgur.com/iCjir7x.png

#FUCKTHEPOLICE

You forgot mah glorious Guatamalan Empire.