1905 AH RP: The Aftermath of a Great War (OOC/Open)

[Dangelia]

Mars, in the OP, could you move the link to the IC higher? I don't wanna scroll down all the time.

That better?

Perfect.

[Dangelia]

Actually, I'm curious, when did communism become so prevalent among the Serbs, at least at this time period.

[Dangelia]

Actually, I'm curious, when did communism become so prevalent among the Serbs, at least at this time period.

communism is prevalent in the poles too

That, I could see.

[Dangelia]

Actually, I'm curious, when did communism become so prevalent among the Serbs, at least at this time period.

It hasn't yet. Me and Austria wouldn't allow it. Plus, Vladimir Lenin is in France right now, so if anything, France would fall to Marxist-Leninism.

I will help against communism too if need be, my nation being traditionalist conservative and monarchist, communism is the great enemy (along with republicanism).

[Dangelia]

Well, gonna do a Ukrainian rebel group. I haven't done a rebel group in all my time on the forums. Might be fun.

Okay, I can give you Autonomy too.

Seriously?!

[Dangelia]

Hmm.... I am technically an independent state but I also technically belong to the Russian Empire?

That's how it works!

Seriously?!

This Czar has seen the Horrors of War. He was the General in many vicious, bloody battles through out the Great War. To him, it's peace at all Cost until he has to give up part of his Kingdom or it will threaten his society. Giving Autonomy to Ukraine wouldn't hurt anyone (Well, except the small number of Russians living there already).

Yes, but Ukraine is a central part to Russian history and identity, I mean just look at the news nowadays. If Russia gives Autonomy to Poland, and then Ukraine, every other ethnic group in Russia will want autonomy, and eventually they will all want independence. It will make Russia appear weak and mark the beginning of the end of a great empire. And the Czar was very young when that war occurred. He likely didn't experience as devastating affects as others around him experienced.

[Dangelia]

Okay, so, I, Italy, shall plot against Austria-Hungary.

WHO WILL JOIN ME!?

Me!

The SNF dislikes Austria and how they are kinda encroaching on the Balkans all the time, and we want them out. We also have the dream of a "Greater Serbia", including Vojvodina, Bosnia and Kosovo.

Okay. I'm gonna set this straight right know. You ain't getting Kosovo. Never. However, the Serbs will be are treated like the Albanian citizens.

[Dangelia]

Okay. I'm gonna set this straight right know. You ain't getting Kosovo. Never. However, the Serbs will be are treated like the Albanian citizens.

Support Italia in war with Austria. Become ally of Italia. You shall be protected by Italia. Italia is friend.

Like I haven't heard that before!

[Dangelia]

Like I haven't heard that before!

Is your nation Catholic or Orthodox?

Divided between a Orthodox and Muslim, mostly Orthodox, government is mostly Orthodox and trying to convert the Muslim population to Orthodoxy... through non-violent means. And there is of course the Catholic Minority.

[Dangelia]

Yes, but Ukraine is a central part to Russian history and identity, I mean just look at the news nowadays. If Russia gives Autonomy to Poland, and then Ukraine, every other ethnic group in Russia will want autonomy, and eventually they will all want independence. It will make Russia appear weak and mark the beginning of the end of a great empire. And the Czar was very young when that war occurred. He likely didn't experience as devastating affects as others around him experienced.

He was there on the Front lines, man. He fought with his men. He saw Shit go down! It scarred him. It made him wiser. And made him the person he is today, allowing him not to make the stupid mistakes he would without the war (Like Going to War with Japan over Ownership for something they didn't even want, Korea).

I agree that Ukraine is of Up most Importance to Russia, but war is not the answer (Until it is the only answer). Plus, most of the other Minorities are actually happy with Russian Rule. Only the Pollacks and the Ukrainians are unhappy.

Wow Russia is fking huge. Anyone want to show interest in my Guatemalan Empire?

Well, to be fair, most of the South of Russia are actually Vassal States and Spheres of Influence.

cool pretty cool soon the polish empire will be huge

Hey hey hey! You cannot demand more separations of your Autonomous Oblast, or you're violating our agreement.

Which, btw, is finally up on IC...

Nicholas was in his early teens, not even, at the time. He wouldn't have been in the front lines. Especially a future czar.

[Dangelia]

Divided between a Orthodox and Muslim, mostly Orthodox, government is mostly Orthodox and trying to convert the Muslim population to Orthodoxy... through non-violent means. And there is of course the Catholic Minority.

Ah what a shame that is. HH would have surely been intrigued by a Catholic Balkan nation.

What about Austria-Hungary?

[Dangelia]

Seriously though, I will support keeping the Serbs at bay and away from Greater Albania, if you assist me against those damnable Austrians! I'll even give you the rest of Montenegro, and maybe even Bosnia if you want it.

.......Then Serbia would side with the Austrians. And we'd start terrorizing Kosovo instead of Vojvodina.

I hope you know, there's not that much Serbs in Kosovo. The demographics are similar to modern day.

[Dangelia]

A Catholic monarchy of an independent Ukraine would be of use to HH, but would stir up issues on your home front. For the sake of peace I could never recommend it. Even an Orthodox Ukraine would be of use to dismantle Russia. I am sure the Muslim Egyptian-Sudan government would happily join in dismantling the Russians, as they could stand to gain land in the Middle East. And if the rest of the region is at war with the Russians, the Germans and Scandinavians might even come to party. Along with the US, as they clearly see a threat. And Japan. Russia would be easy to tear apart if the cards are played right. They have one ally we could most likely be overwhelmed by the Italians, French, and Balkans let along if anyone else is added. And support from Russia would be slim if there were massive rebellions and invasions from their other borders.

I might be the pope, but that does not mean HH is unaware of how to dismantle a nation, the Church is fairly good at this.

So everyone should team up on Russia? Not a bad idea.

Tell you what, Italy. If you can secure that an independent Serbia can have Bosnia and Vojvodina, I'm on your side. Albania can have the Coastline of Croatia, Montenegro, Kosovo and Greece if they want. After that, we can just push against the Austrians to piss them off, and you can finish them. Poland can help out, and with Revolution in Ukraine, Russia could be tied down. Egypt could invade the Middle East, and Scandinavia could invade Finland. Then, a united front could push into Russia.

I will also join. However, I have one condition, there must be a Serbian monarch for an independent Serbia.

[Dangelia]

I will also join. However, I have one condition, there must be a Serbian monarch for an independent Serbia.

Serbia is socialist. Perhaps a compromise with a constitutional monarchy/republic mix?

Perhaps a government like Lichtienstein? An executive constitutional monarchy.

[Dangelia]

My next post is going to be huge.

Here's a preview of what I've done tonight:

[Dangelia]

.......Then Serbia would side with the Austrians. And we'd start terrorizing Kosovo instead of Vojvodina.

Then I'll just ally with Serbobulgaria.

What about Austria-Hungary?

HH is friend of Italia. Italia does not like Austria. Become friends with Italia.

So everyone should team up on Russia? Not a bad idea.

Tell you what, Italy. If you can secure that an independent Serbia can have Bosnia and Vojvodina, I'm on your side. Albania can have the Coastline of Croatia, Montenegro, Kosovo and Greece if they want. After that, we can just push against the Austrians to piss them off, and you can finish them. Poland can help out, and with Revolution in Ukraine, Russia could be tied down. Egypt could invade the Middle East, and Scandinavia could invade Finland. Then, a united front could push into Russia.

Excuse me? Dalmatia is mine. If they want more coast, they can have Greece and Montenegro, but Dalmatia is Italia.

I don't care much for Crostia. If I get Montenegro and Greece I'll be happy.

[Dangelia]

Also perhaps the Pope would like to pay a visit to Guatemala? To strengthen our relations.

He will probably tour the new world (Maryland (USA), Cuba (CSA), Guatemala, and Brazil) but after he visits Jerusalem. Perhaps include the suggestion in your letter and he will begin planning it.

What will the pope do to the numerous Orthodox Churches in the Holy Land.

[Dangelia]

Can i reserve greece and somalia ?

You have to choose one or the other.

[Dangelia]

You have to choose one or the other.

I think he means Greece as a home country and Somalia as a colony. Though I doubt that is plausible as the Scramble for Africa never happened.

Even if the scramble for Africa did happen that would be unlikely. The Greeks weren't exactly a colonial power.

[Dangelia]

Even if the scramble for Africa did happen that would be unlikely. The Greeks weren't exactly a colonial power.

Don't forget they are also weak.

If you want to invade Africa, Spain or the Dutch is possibly your best bet as they aren't involved in the Great War.

Or Germany.

[Dangelia]

Name of your Rebel Group: Liberate Jerusalem (Освободить Иерусалим)
Country that you are rebelling in: Russia
Base of Operations: Moscow
Number of Followers/Members: 400,000
Why you are rebelling: To take Jerusalem back from the Pope
Popular support: Extremeley large support from the people of Russia and the entire Orthodox world.
Quality of Weapons, from 1 to 10: 4
Short history of your Group: The Orthodox were appalled when they heard that Russia had given away Jerusalem to the Vatican. They fear that their Christian churches will be seized by the Catholics.
429 (It helps to find apps)

[Dangelia]

Exactly! When I refer to Byzantium, I'm referring to the Ottoman Empire/Former Byzantine Empire, which we completely took over from the Great war, then split up into Russian Held Anatolia and the Russian Ruled puppet state of Byzantia, which has to deal with Muslims. The Pope would have too many problems ruling Byzantium; the Muslims, the Influx of Russians, that sliver of land where Bedouins roam we don't own. Too much for him.

Keep in mind HH isn't even ruling Jerusalem. He is sending the camerlengo to set up a papal provisional government while an agreement with the Jewish leaders as to how to govern the region is being reached. The region will basically be fully autonomous and run by, preferably, a council of five Catholics and five Jews. That way the Holy Land is under the protection of the Papacy but does not feel oppressed at all by the Catholic Church.

And what about the Orthodox?

[Dangelia]

Name of your Rebel Group: Liberate Jerusalem (Освободить Иерусалим)
Country that you are rebelling in: Russia
Base of Operations: Moscow
Number of Followers/Members: 400,000
Why you are rebelling: To take Jerusalem back from the Pope
Popular support: Extremeley large support from the people of Russia and the entire Orthodox world.
Quality of Weapons, from 1 to 10: 4
Short history of your Group: The Orthodox were appalled when they heard that Russia had given away Jerusalem to the Vatican. They fear that their Christian churches will be seized by the Catholics.
429 (It helps to find apps)

I don't know how many Orthodox you think are in Jerusalem, but...

There are approximately 8,000 Christians in Jerusalem, mostly Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox.

[Dangelia]

Wait, so did Russia give the Pope the Holy Land or what?

Technically, yes. Think of it more as a vassal of the Papacy and not part of it.

Also, I see no issues with Orthodox people also sitting on the council. Five from each religion would bring the council to fifteen members, which is okay with me.

Also, what happens to the a church's that the Orthodox claim in Jerusalem such as the Church of the Resurrection.

[Dangelia]

Fine, I'll stop the Smilies.

I'm not denying Russians won't be mad, your denying there won't be any Russians who won't like the Change. There would be Millions of Russian People who would support the move, just as there would be Millions who would despise it, just as there would be Millions who are neutral on the Subject all together!

Chances are there's more that despise it than the people that support it.

Russians are already pissed. I recommend nothing drastic is done.