1905 AH RP: The Aftermath of a Great War (OOC/Open)

[The SFSR]

How does he maintain a navy in this fashion?

Again, see Egyptian history from 1848 onwards (or from 3150 BC onwards) to see why this is implausible.

Well, you see, he has access to my ports... which means he has access to my ports.

And I don't give a shit what happened in the past, there's no government now, so the treaty is invalid. STOP MAKING THIS DIFFICULT. I JUST WANT TO JULIUS CAESAR INTO POOR, WEAK COUNTRIES. IS THAT SO WRONG!?

Seriously, I'm about ready to whip up a Mexican rebel group just to toy with you.

No, it's apparently not in the map, I brought it up last night to Vic but the map wasn't updated.

What's the point, you said you'd sell it to me later?

It's a shame you didn't show up a few days later after our Germany vanished.

It's good that we seem to have two interested nation and one rebel group who wants to take on a new one.

I could perhaps be the US if needed since they'd have little interaction with the papacy. That is of course until someone else wants it.

Well, you know, he can switch nations.

But since he has no formal access to the sea, he wouldn't be able to pass legislation to allow the construction of a fleet.

Egypt ain't poor, and it certainly ain't weak. I'm only objecting this much because you chose to occupy it in a single post.

I was here when he left, but I need to settle business with France first.

[The SFSR]

But since he has no formal access to the sea, he wouldn't be able to pass legislation to allow the construction of a fleet.

Egypt ain't poor, and it certainly ain't weak. I'm only objecting this much because you chose to occupy it in a single post.

I was here when he left, but I need to settle business with France first.

He inherited the Austrian-Hungarian fleet.

Egypt isn't poor, no, but isn't exactly strong enough to resist an invasion from any European power. And I didn't occupy it in a single post... I occupied the northern part of it in a single post, and explained it took several weeks to accomplish. I just filled in the whole map because, well, the outcome was inevitable to begin with.

Poor Mexico

It's funny, because Guatemala used to be a part of Mexico itself. It's like the USA taking over the UK.

Which were in the Austro-Hungarian harbours, which are currently owned by Italy.

Debatable. Egypt from the Greek War of Independence onwards had a modern, well-equipped army, able to pulverise the Ottoman Empire in record time (though not able to defeat Ethiopia due to screwups in the upper echelons, mainly nepotism). In 1875 they had Krupp guns, Gatlings, Remington Rolling Blocks, and Snider-Enfields. Their armies were being trained and led by Civil War veterans from both sides of the conflict.

Since it bothers you so much SFSR: http://i.imgur.com/HFwElDC.png

Much appreciated. Thank you very much.

[The SFSR]

If I play the German Empire, would I also be able to play France at the same time?

[The SFSR]

so can I be USA?

That needs an extremely experienced player.

But you're playing a GP.

[The SFSR]

But you're playing a GP.

I know. And how does that relate

GPs need extremely experienced players...?

[The SFSR]

@SFSR: Replied to your letter

Yayy.

Now for some Machiavellian fuckery.

[The SFSR]

France please sign the treaty on the IC Or face the face of death. Peru is to never surrender from a battle.

God, you think you can defeat everyone, this is just ridiculous.

I don't mind as long as this OOC mindset is reflected in an IC manner, and realistically (no godmod, super-powered troops, etc.).

[The SFSR]

OP, I beg you, please do not take Miracum-Izmir.

[The SFSR]

Don't worry he won't expect my other flying forces........ Make a good guess.....

It's 1905, you don't have an Air Force. You're in South America, they were pretty shit at military combat foreve and still kinda are so.

Again, declare war on France, who will tell me, and out of my church you go.

I wonder how many nations I can take on. There's already Italy (I'm giving some extra hours OOC to answer the ultimatum) and Peru, if negotiations go south probably China too. And I'm already planning colonial overtures in South Africa for gold and diamonds, war with Germany for Alsace-Lorraine, war with Bengal for French India, and war with America over the Monroe Doctrine in Canada.

Kidding, of course. This is gonna be more exciting than I expected.

[The SFSR]

So uhhhh well gee that wasn't expected.

This is far from what I had planned. I wanted a pan-Catholic alliance composed of France, Italy, Spain, and Austria that would form a counter against Russian intervention in the Far East.

[The SFSR]

France, my form of government is based off of the same one yours is. If you support Morocco the Barbary pirates can blockade Italian ports and steal Italian merchant ships.

Sending a telegram your way.

EDIT: On second thought, because I can't be seen consorting with insurrectionists (I don't wanna give ideas to the Mexicans), I must request that you send me a letter proposing such an offer.

[The SFSR]

Port Verde state of Argentina, Peru
The Supreme Generals elite expansion forces leave the docks of Peru. Leaving in Zeppelins and ships. Heading to find new land in the middle east. 2 Teams where set. The first team is going to expand the Peruvian Empire in a place called South Africa. The second team is headed to a Island called Madagascar. Then expand into the untouched lands of Saudi Arabia. After they capture both lands and claims it Peru they sail together to capture new land called Australia and New Zealand. "May God be with them." Say's Supreme General Ricardo. "When are they expected to arrive with those zeppelins Charles? In two days if they go to the speed of 50 miles a hour. " Good we need to expand more..... and we need to change our countries religion into Christianity. If people wants to stay Catholic let them stay Catholic." Say's Supreme General Ricardo. "Yes sir my General." Say's Charles.


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wut.

[The SFSR]

How? He claimed Serbobulgarian territory...

Claimed, yes, but it is not my territory currently, and it may never be my territory. I was able to claim that land because the dynasty in control of Rumunija is Serbian, and Serbians are assimilated/in partial control of the Serbo-Bulgarian Kingdom.

By the way, I am a biological woman and damned proud of it.

hey bby u wan sum fk

[The SFSR]

Well the Egytians never responded to the French after their alliance was offered. So technically it was never accepted. I think it's best if we just not do this war and focus on colonizing Peru.

Actually, it was the Egyptians who offered, and the French who accepted.

Post finally done. So why did France attack Italy?

It started with diplomatic tension over Italy's telegram to France. As I explained,

Hey, Commie guy playing France, I didn't make any threats. Just letting you know that. Well, not openly and officially, anyway.

These lands (Nice and Savoy) will be Italian once more [1], the question is, will they return [peacefully, or not] [2]? Italia shall rise, friends. But will you be it's friend, or it's foe [3]? [...] Enough blood has been spilled already.[4]

The way the French government might read it:

[1] Regardless of what our respective Governments or the inhabitants of those regions say, do, or want.
[2] You are basically declaring an ultimatum. Not peacefully means through war.
[3] Implying that if we do not agree to your demands, we will become your foes.
[4] And more (specifically French/Austrian) shall be spilled if we refuse.

Relations between the Catholic nations who have been thus far great friends began to deteriorate. Then Italy decided to invade Egypt, a French ally. Such an invasion entailed the conquest of cities with sizeable amounts of French expatriates, and more importantly the seizing of the Suez Canal, which belongs to the Universal Suez Company, which belongs to its shareholders, which mostly happen to be French. Then there's the fact that France has been easing Egypt into its sphere of influence since the early 1800s.

France gave Italy time to reconsider. You can see its results in the IC.

Therefore, it boils down to, IC-wise,

This war shall continue, against the Kingdom of Italy, and any of her allies that our soldiers encounter in the field, until such a time as the government of His Majesty King Constantino Albano withdraws any and all military presence from our tenacious ally the Kingdom of Egypt and the Sudan following its illegitimate occupation, and until the government of His Majesty King Constantino Albano is dealt justice for the brutal reprisal exacted upon its natives Musulman or Christian, to wit the Rape of Cairo, and the wholesale slaughter and confiscation of property of French citizens.

tl;dr italy needs to learn tact

[The SFSR]

But the Egyptians never accepted your response [1]. They might haves changed their minds. Plus they were also allied with Italy.[2]

I still think the focus should be on Peru. He's tried to invade French Mexico [3], Europe, the Middle East, Australia, Brazil, and God only knows what is next.

The solution is clearly a coalition of European powers against him.[4]

[1] What more is there to respond? A offers, B accepts. Deal sealed.
[2] More propaganda against the slimy, traitorous Italy.
[3] brb didn't see that.
[4] In favour, therefore aye.

[The SFSR]

Actually, it was the Egyptians who offered, and the French who accepted.



It started with diplomatic tension over Italy's telegram to France. As I explained,



Relations between the Catholic nations who have been thus far great friends began to deteriorate. Then Italy decided to invade Egypt, a French ally. Such an invasion entailed the conquest of cities with sizeable amounts of French expatriates, and more importantly the seizing of the Suez Canal, which belongs to the Universal Suez Company, which belongs to its shareholders, which mostly happen to be French. Then there's the fact that France has been easing Egypt into its sphere of influence since the early 1800s.

France gave Italy time to reconsider. You can see its results in the IC.

Therefore, it boils down to, IC-wise,



tl;dr italy needs to learn tact

There was no "slaughter" or "rape" or "brutal reprisal" [1], and there sure as hell were not 100 million Frenchies living in Egypt [2]. You're acting like you occupied the whole damn country before I invaded [3]. That's not how alliances work [4]. And I never did anything to any of the French people there.[5]

Furthermore, we never finished the argument about who owns the Suez Canal [6]. And I am, or was, willing to retcon seizing it [7]. Until you pulled this stunt [8].

And Glitter, this is all your fault you know [9]. You told me I should invade Egypt, and never told me France and Egypt were buddies.

[1] What more is there to respond? A offers, B accepts. Deal sealed.
[2] More propaganda against the slimy, traitorous Italy.
[3] brb didn't see that.
[4] In favour, therefore aye.

Propaganda? Traitorous? Quite the contrary. I said my telegram I was restoring order [10], and that's what an ally would do [12]. If anything, it's ammunition for me.

Calm down. Listen to the Beatles, read a book, smoke a fag, whatever gets you off.

[1] Propaganda. Wins public opinion. Whether the accusations are true or not (they're most likely exaggerated), you'd be hard pressed to disprove them.
[2] There has been a long history of French settlement in Egypt from Napoleon onwards. Exaggerated, perhaps, but you of all people must be aware that war is hell, and more often than not civilian casualties happen. If Britain could spring to the defence of even one British citizen that one time, I don't see why France couldn't in the face of a more significant threat, even if the truth of the matter remains ambiguous.
[3] Now where did you get that from?
[4] Of course it doesn't.
[5] You can never tell, it might have happened. See point 2. The world of 1905 was chaotic, and news was slow and sometimes unreliable.
[6] We clearly did. Please refer to my previous posts, as well as my Britain analogy.
[7] Yeah, no. Retroactive continuity is a total buzzkill; just let go and see what new paths you explore.
[8] Probably should have responded to a 48 hour (and extended OOC) ultimatum.
[9] Point 7. Probably something about taking responsibility of your own actions, but I won't say it; that's too personal and I don't even know you.
[10] Hard to argue about the implausibility of a nation with an inbuilt monarchical system that has defined its history for the past five thousand years suddenly collapsing into 'tribes' at the first hint of trouble when even the OP is okay with it.
[11] An ally would reinstall the previous monarch, not engage in a massive landgrab.

Please have the capacity to differentiate OOC from IC.

[The SFSR]

SFSR: since your RP post is Feb 6, I presume it will be a while before you can negotiate with the Chinese emperor?

Might be able to make a quick timeskip tomorrow.

[The SFSR]

Did France ever reply to my alliance request?

Was waiting for that, but I might as well jump the gun since France and Italy are at war now.

Did. Welcome to the struggle.

[The SFSR]

I have finally returned from 1 week of no internet in Germany only to find that there's a Hungarian empire which makes no sense at all as we establiched the A-H survived and you can't have A-H without Hungary.

I voucheth for thee.

I have finally returned from 1 week of no internet in Germany only to find that there's a Hungarian empire which makes no sense at all as we establiched the A-H survived and you can't have A-H without Hungary.

Here's the gist of how that worked:

A Hungarian coup occurred, with Italian backing, that overthew the Habsburgs and returned rule to Hungary. It released Bosnia and Romania as client states, and that's all I can tell you at the moment. Wasn't my decision or my idea.

I suggest Germany (they got the boot). Besides, as Germany you can go liberate your Germanic brothers in Austria from Hungarian rule.

Especially since the continent is at war.

But he wants A-H, and he never gave consent for such a course of action.

[The SFSR]

But so would A-H :'(

[The SFSR]

But so would A-H :'(

That's what I mean. If A-H sides with France, Italy is done for. One reason I think Hungary might be a thing now.

Oh, alright.

[The SFSR]

FRENCH NAVAL VESSELS
Confirmed in bold

Broadside ironclads[edit]
Gloire class 5,603 tons.[2]
Gloire (1859) – world's first ocean-going ironclad, stricken 1879.[2]
Invincible (1861) – stricken 1872.[2]
Normandie (1860) – stricken 1871.[2]
Couronne (1861) 5,983 tons – hulked 1910.[2]
Magenta class 6,715 tons.[2]
Magenta (1861) – sank after internal explosion 1875.[2]
Solférino (1861) – stricken 1882.[2]
Provence class 5,700 – 6,122 tons.[2]
Provence (1863) – stricken 1884.[2]
Savoie (1863) – stricken 1888.[2]
Héroïne (1863) – hulked 1894.[2]
Flandre (1864) – stricken 1886.[2]
Magnanime (1864) – stricken 1882.[2]
Surveillante (1864) – stricken 1890.[2]
Valeureuse (1864) – stricken 1886.[2]
Gauloise (1865) – stricken 1883.[2]
Guyenne (1865) – stricken 1882.[2]
Revanche (1865) – BU (broken up) 1893.[2]

Stationnaire broadside ironclads[edit]
Belliqueuse (1865) 3,717 tons – expended as a target 1886.[2]

Central battery ships with barbettes[edit]
Océan class 7,580/7,775 tons.[2]
Océan (1868) – stricken 1894.[2]
Marengo (1869) – sold 1896.[2]
Suffren (1870) – stricken 1897.[2]
Friedland (1873) 8,850 tons – stricken 1902.[2]
Richelieu (1873) 8,984 tons – sold 1901, sank in the Bay of Biscay after sale.[2]
Colbert class 8,750 tons.[2]
Colbert (1875) – stricken 1900.[2]
Trident (1876) – hulked 1904.[2]
Redoutable (1876) 9,224 tons, first warship in the world to use steel as the principal building material – stricken 1910.[2]
Dévastation class 10,450 tons.[2]
Dévastation (1879) – BU 1922.[2]
Courbet (1882) ex-Foudroyant – stricken 1910.[2][3]

Stationnaire central battery ships with barbettes[edit]
Alma class 3,513–3,828 tons.[2]
Alma (1867) – hulked 1886.[2]
Armide (1867) – stricken 1887.[2]
Atalante (1868) – stricken 1887.[2]
Jeanne d'Arc (1867) – stricken 1883.[2]
Montcalm (1868) ex-Indienne – stricken 1891.[2]
Reine Blanche (1868) – stricken 1886.[2]
Thétis (1867) – stricken 1895.[2]
La Galissonnière class 4,585–4,645 tons.[2]
La Galissonnière (1872) – stricken 1894.[2]
Triomphante (1877) – sold 1903.[2]
Victorieuse (1875) – hulked 1900.[2]

Barbette ships[edit]
Amiral Duperré (1879) 11,030 tons. Though this ship was designed for sail as well as steam power, her sails were removed before completion.[1] – stricken 1909.[2]
Amiral Baudin class 11,720 tons,[2] the first French sea-going battleships without any sail power.[4]
Amiral Baudin (1883) – hulked 1909.[2]
Formidable (1885) – stricken 1911.[2]
Hoche (1886) 10,820 tons, turrets & barbettes – target 1913.[2]
Marceau class 10,558–10,810 tons.[2]
Marceau (1887) – BU 1922.[2]
Magenta (1890) – stricken 1910.[2]
Neptune (1887) – stricken 1913.[2]
Charles Martel class 10,600–10,650 tons, slightly enlarged Marceaus.[5]
Charles Martel (-) laid down 1883, construction suspended 1886.[1][6]
Brennus (-) laid down 1884, construction suspended 1886.[1][6]

Stationnaire barbette ships[edit]
Bayard class 5,915–6,260 tons.[2] Smaller versions of Amiral Dupperré, with full sail power.[1]
Bayard (1880) – hulked 1899.[2]
Turenne (1879) – stricken 1901.[2]
Vauban class 6,112 tons. Improved Bayards.[2]
Duguesclin (1883) – stricken 1904.[2]
Vauban (1882) – stricken 1905.[2]

Turret ships[edit]
Brennus (1891) 11,190 tons, the first large ship with Belleville boilers,[4] – BU 1922.[2]
Charles Martel 11,693 tons – stricken 1922.[2]
Carnot (1894) 11,954 tons – stricken 1922.[2]
Jauréguiberry (1893) 11,637 tons – BU 1934.[2]
Masséna (1895) 11,735 tons – hulked, then scuttled as a breakwater at Cape Helles 1915.[2]
Bouvet (1896) 12,007 tons – mined 1915.[2]
Charlemagne class 11,100 tons.[2]
Charlemagne (1895) – stricken 1920.[2]
Saint Louis (1896) – BU 1933.[2]
Gaulois (1896) – torpedoed 1916.[2]
Iéna (1898) 11,860 tons – sank after explosion 1907.[2]
Suffren (1899) 12,527 tons – torpedoed 1916.[2]
République class 14,605–14,900 tons.[2]
République (1902) – stricken 1921.[2]
Patrie (1903) – stricken 1928.[2]
Liberté class 14,489–14,860 tons.[2]
Liberté (1905) – sank after explosion 1911.[2]
Justice (1904) – stricken 1922.[2]
Vérité (1907) – stricken 1922.[2]
Démocratie (1903) – stricken 1921.[2]
Danton class ("semi-Dreadnoughts") 18,318 tons normal, 19,763 tons full load.[7]
Danton (1909) – torpedoed 1917 in Tyrrhenian Sea.[7]
Voltaire (1909) – condemned 1935, BU 1939.[7]
Diderot (1909) – condemned 1936, BU 1937.[7]
Condorcet (1909) – deleted 1931, scuttled 1942, refloated 1944, sold for BU 1945.[7]
Mirabeau (1909) – target 1921–22, BU 1928.[7]
Vergniaud (1910) – deleted 1921, used as target for experiments until 1926, BU 1928.[7]

Experimental turret ships[edit]
Henri IV (1899) 8,807 tons – stricken 1921.[2]

[...]

Broadside ironclad floating batteries for coastal service[edit]
Dévastation class built for the Crimean War 1,600 tons.[2]
Congrève – stricken 1867
Dévastation (1855) – stricken 1871.[2]
Foudroyante (1855) – stricken 1871.[2]
Lave (1855) – stricken 1871.[2]
Tonnante (1855) – stricken 1871.[2]
Palestro class 1,508–1,539 tons.[2]
Paixhans (1862) – stricken 1871.[2]
Palestro (1862) – stricken 1871.[2]
Peiho (1862) – stricken 1871.[2]
Saïgon (1862) – stricken 1871.[2]
Arrogante class 1,412-1.490 tons.[2]
Arrogante (1864) – stricken 1881.[2]
Implacable (1864) – stricken 1884.[2]
Opiniâtre (1864) – stricken 1885.[2]
Embuscade class 1,426–1,589 tons.[2]
Embuscade (1865) – stricken 1885.[2]
Imprenable (1867) – stricken 1882.[2]
Protectrice (1866) – stricken 1889.[2]
Refuge (1866) – stricken 1884.[2]
Rochambeau (1865) ex-USS Dunderberg 7,800 tons, purchased 1867 – stricken 1872.[2]
Armoured Rams[edit]


Cerbère and Bélier
Taureau (1865) barbette ship ram 2,433 tons – stricken 1890.[2]
Onondaga (1863) ex-USS Onondaga 2,551 tons, purchased 1867 – stricken 1904.[2]
Cerbère class 3,532 tons.[2]
Bélier (1870) – stricken 1896.[2]
Bouledogue (1872) – stricken 1897.[2]
Cerbère (1868) – stricken 1887.[2]
Tigre (1871) – stricken 1892.[2]
Breastwork Monitors[edit]
Tonnerre class 5,765–5,871 tons.[2]
Tonnerre (1875) – stricken 1905.[2]
Fulminant (1877) – stricken 1908.[2]
Tempête class 4.635-4,793 tons.[2]
Tempête (1876) – stricken 1907.[2]
Vengeur (1878) – stricken 1905.[2]

Barbette Ships[edit]
Tonnant (1880) barbette ship 5,010 tons. Originally intended to be similar to Tempête, but redesigned as a small battleship with increased freeboard and a gun at each end in barbettes.[1] – stricken 1903.[2]
Furieux (1883) barbette ship 5,925 tons. Similar to Tonnant for the same reasons.[1] – stricken 1913.[2]
Terrible class 7,530 tons.[2] Small battleships based on the Amiral Baudin, and intended for operating in the Baltic in case of war with Germany.[1] The British sometimes considered these to be sea-going battleships,[9] and sometimes coastal service warships.[3]
Caïman (1885) – BU 1927.[2]
Indomptable (1883) – BU 1927.[2]
Requin (1885) – stricken 1920.[2]
Terrible (1887) – stricken 1911.[2]

Later Coast Defence Ships[edit]
Jemmapes class 6,476 tons.[2]
Jemmapes (1892) – hulked 1911.[2]
Valmy (1892) – stricken 1911.[2]
Bouvines class 6,681 tons.[2]
Amiral-Tréhouart (1893) – stricken 1922.[2]
Bouvines (1892) – stricken 1920.[2]

[The SFSR]

I'm going to claim Venezuela, and Guyana.Then Suriname will be conquered the kick out the French from French Guiana. THis time i'm not going to back down for sure....

yea no.

[The SFSR]

After that I will finish off Brazil. and Hold it under my power plus my foreign zeppelins should be at South Africa and Madagascar by now.

If you can capture it realistically go ahead.

[The SFSR]

You might as well count Rumunija on the side of Italy because I plan to trade with Italy and I requested an alliance with Albania. Plus I am a client state of Hungary, so you can get our trade is going to the war effort.

Yus!

Take that frogs! We have Gypsy Vampires on our side! Suck it!

Good luck carting them to the front.