1905 AH RP: The Aftermath of a Great War (OOC/Open)

[Elderowa]

The war could be split into two, potentially three conflicts. The first conflict over Russia's control of part of Anatolia. The second finalizing its control over the region, and the third Italian attempts of taking Constantinople for itself? I dunno. Something like this could work.

That could work. And then you also throw in the Balkan Revolutions and the Italian-Austrian War at the end.

[Elderowa]

You cannot get it as the Russians eyed that since 1850.

Plus the Russians were first.

Oh. You should have told me in the application.

If you want, I can let you sell stuff in Manchuria still. Also, unlike Russia IRL, we recognize your right to Colonize Korea as your own.

[Elderowa]

I still think a peace conference mediated by the Church is the best option.

I agree.

[Elderowa]

I mean it is two Catholic countries. I do not see anything coming out of this war other than millions of dead Catholics. Which HH is strongly against.

Europe needs a lot more discussing besides the Austrian-Italian problem. To avoid further wars, a few arrangements have to be forged into a treaty between all nations, such as how nations must deal with rebels in other countries, something that will become very important in this day and age. The course of action of nations outside Europe, maybe talk of a transcontinental railroad, what must be done in case of another war... A lot of ideas need saying, and one big conference might to the trick. The Conference of London, might I suggest? A conference in Buckingham Palace itself.

Russians will deal with Russian Terrorists on their own. They will not allow any other nations army to do so. You know, Sovereignty and all that Jazz.

[Elderowa]

HH is getting rather impatient for his puppy. *hint hint*

I did say that I'll have very little opportunity to post until Monday. I'll try to get something up before then, but no promises.

Side note: How much should a rifle cost in 1905? 20 pounds? 50 pounds? I want to be able to realistically do things with these "donations".

Russian Rifles would cost 62 Rubels and are strictly for Hunting Purposes only when not in the hands of Soldiers or Police Officers.

Also, 264 Rubels will get you an Alexandros K-1 Model Motor Car. So currently, the Pope could by 37,379 Alexandros Cars currently (With my Donation of 10 Million Rubles). But I hope he uses it to help Re-build Europe and not waste it on Cars.

[Elderowa]

Well since you avoided war with the rest of Europe, you could be in a technological renaissance and industrial growth could be at an all time high. I do not know much about pre-WWII Germany anyways, I am afraid. So I could not be much further help. Perhaps having your eyes set on connect East Prussia to the rest of the Fatherland could be on your leader's mind?

This is what I was talking about with the map... On this timeline, Germany hasn't lost WWI. Before WWI, East Prussia was connected to the German Empire. ( http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 14.svg.png , as compared with this http://i.imgur.com/iCjir7x.png)
Therefore, for some reason Poland just acquired as much of Prussia as they did after WWI on the map?

Poland is not independent from Russia! It's only Autonomous! It still belongs to Russia Proper, it does not belong to itslef!

[Elderowa]

I have returned! What have I missed?

[Elderowa]

Most likely, but the upcoming announcement of the reestablishment of the Holy Land could sway them, for a short while at least. You would likely have sympathizers in most western governments, especially the ones who just fought against Russia and lost. Even the Nords would have an interest. Only reason HH is being the friendly neighborhood nark is because he is indebted to the Russians and has a sense of duty.

Which will probably be taken away when certain "atrocities" are committed by alleged Russians in Kiev...

I don't know what Atrocities you're talking about... Russia hasn't committed any Atrocities to the Ukrainians, nor will they.

[Elderowa]

I don't know what Atrocities you're talking about... Russia hasn't committed any Atrocities to the Ukrainians, nor will they.

Well to be fair you were threatening to starve the entire region if they rebelled.

True, true, but I have since stopped doing that, and since it wasn't IC, it doesn't count.

You obviously don't get it.

I don't think you get it. I'm not going to treat your rebellion with any seriousness until you do something "Atrocious". You will be dealt with as Criminals, not Separatists: With Cops and Arrests.

Plus, Mr. Pope will be kind enough to let me know what you're planning.

[Elderowa]

True, true, but I have since stopped doing that, and since it wasn't IC, it doesn't count.



I don't think you get it. I'm not going to treat your rebellion with any seriousness until you do something "Atrocious". You will be dealt with as Criminals, not Separatists: With Cops and Arrests.

Plus, Mr. Pope will be kind enough to let me know what you're planning.

I didn't put any plans in the Pope letter, why would I do that?

Other then the Plan of you Rebelling against me? Yeah, he'd know about that at least. You're trying to separate from me, and the Pope knows that much.

[Elderowa]

Other then the Plan of you Rebelling against me? Yeah, he'd know about that at least. You're trying to separate from me, and the Pope knows that much.

That's a pretty large plan that involves a lot of secondary objectives that you or the Pope does not know.

No, we don't know the specifics. But we do know the grand goal of your little rebellion, and that is enough to know to stop it before it starts.

[Elderowa]

No, we don't know the specifics. But we do know the grand goal of your little rebellion, and that is enough to know to stop it before it starts.

No, actually.

Here is your own letter that you sent in the IC:

To Scandinavia, the Vatican, Serbobulgaria, the United States of America, Albania, Italy, and Britain
From the Ukrainian People's Movement

Greetings,

We are a Ukrainian rebel group that seeks independence from Russia. We have over 50,000 Militia forces across Ukraine, ready to attack the Russians, and it can be inflated to a lot more from our 680,000 members. Another thing, the majority of the citizens of the Ukraine support us and will be willing to aid us in any way they can. If you cannot help us militarily, at least try to declare war on Russia to tie up their troops elsewhere, or send military equipment to us. All would be appreciated. Please think this proposal over and make your decision as soon as you can.

Signed, Mikhail Malikov, Leader of the Ukrainian People

We will know your intentions when we get this letter. And we will arrest your leader when we learn his name.

[Elderowa]

You do not know where they are.

... WE CAN ASSUME IT'S IN THE UKRAINE!

[Elderowa]

... WE CAN ASSUME IT'S IN THE UKRAINE!

... IN THE UKRAINE!

I'm sorry, but when you label yourself "The Ukrainian Rebel Group" (Lame name, BTW), and when you say you have Forces all Across Ukraine, It's only logical to conclude "Huh, this is going to start in Ukraine."

Like, how would I not know where you are? Your somewhere in Ukraine!

Surely the Russians have a census and if not would be able to inquire about the name to locals in Kiev and other major cities. It is likely the government would find some way to track at least his wear-a-bouts, some Ukrainians, mainly those in whatever little power they have, will still be loyal to the Czar.

Not entirely sure if we have a Census, but even if we didn't, the fact that there are Ukrainians that aren't in hiding and that Are a part of that Rebellion, will allow us to find the city quickly.

[Elderowa]

Not entirely sure if we have a Census, but even if we didn't, the fact that there are Ukrainians that aren't in hiding and that Are a part of that Rebellion, will allow us to find the city quickly.

That and postage would help you to a degree.

That would help too, at least for a general area of where the Rebel City is.

[Elderowa]

Anyway, this is probably not going to work due to the massive Russian Empire that probably has a lot of rebellions and is breaking down from the inside (DONT EVEN TRY TO ARGUE) due to its sheer size and ethnic minorities. I'll take status as a vassal if need be.

Oh, so now that I got you on the Run, you decide "Yeah, I'll take Oblastery status." Sorry pal, you had your chance. The Iron Glove is on. You're Rebellion is under arrest and done with.

[Elderowa]

I'm also gonna try and get some Russian rebel movements here, due to the large number of ethnic minorities in their nation.

Good luck with that, most Western Russian Ethnicities are actually fine with my rule. And Most Eastern Ethnicities are in Short Supply. The only Ethnicities that would really be willing to help you that would help are the Turks, and I've already got that place on Lockdown.

[Elderowa]

Good luck with that, most Western Russian Ethnicities are actually fine with my rule. And Most Eastern Ethnicities are in Short Supply. The only Ethnicities that would really be willing to help you that would help are the Turks, and I've already got that place on Lockdown.

Probably not the Crimean Tatars, Manchus, or Kazakhs.

And the Turks could be a big help. Doesn't matter if you have it on lockdown.

Technically, the Tatars and Kazakhs are Turks.

Plus, I don't own China, I just sphere it. The Manchu's could care less about the Politics of Russia.

Good luck with that, most Western Russian Ethnicities are actually fine with my rule. And Most Eastern Ethnicities are in Short Supply. The only Ethnicities that would really be willing to help you that would help are the Turks, and I've already got that place on Lockdown.

You also have to worry about the Asians. I doubt they are content with your rule. And if we ever get a China chances are they will use their massive population to retake the north.

Don't Own the North, I've only Sphere of Influenced them. That is still owned by China, my guys just get perks there.

[Elderowa]

Technically, the Tatars and Kazakhs are Turks.

Plus, I don't own China, I just sphere it. The Manchu's could care less about the Politics of Russia.



Don't Own the North, I've only Sphere of Influenced them. That is still owned by China, my guys just get perks there.

Pretty sure you own it on the map.

Don't own it on My Map.

Anyways, finally finished my Latest IC Post. Now the world knows about the Pope ruling Israel.

[Elderowa]

Don't own it on My Map.

Anyways, finally finished my Latest IC Post. Now the world knows about the Pope ruling Israel.

The map maker must have mistaken your sphere of influence in northern Asia and Paki-Afghanistan for your actual territories.

That's what I believe happened. Persia, Byzantia and Mongolia are my Vassals and Northern China is Sphere of Influence Zones in China. I think I told him this, but he must not have heard (Or I didn't tell him, in which case, I apologize). It's definitely on my APP that those are what they're suppose to be.

[Elderowa]

That's what I believe happened. Persia, Byzantia and Mongolia are my Vassals and Northern China is Sphere of Influence Zones in China. I think I told him this, but he must not have heard (Or I didn't tell him, in which case, I apologize). It's definitely on my APP that those are what they're suppose to be.

This would mainly just end most tensions in Norther Chinaish area and closer to India, who would probably be please.

Probably. And, like I said, it would mean the Manchu's don't give a crap about Russian Politics, they care more about their own politics.

Also, looking through Russian History, there aren't that many Ethnic Rebellions through out the Empire's History. In fact, almost all the Rebellions and Revolts where caused by Ethnic Russians! So I think I might be able to argue Marsisians claim that "Oh, all these Ethnicities are just waiting to strike!"

[Elderowa]

Probably. And, like I said, it would mean the Manchu's don't give a crap about Russian Politics, they care more about their own politics.

Also, looking through Russian History, there aren't that many Ethnic Rebellions through out the Empire's History. In fact, almost all the Rebellions and Revolts where caused by Ethnic Russians! So I think I might be able to argue Marsisians claim that "Oh, all these Ethnicities are just waiting to strike!"

I agree with him on the Turks most defiantly. There is no way in hell they would be okay with the collapse of their empire and subjugation under the Russians. Especially with cities like Istanbul being de-Islamisized, that would enrage most of the Turkish populace. A Turkish revolt is a guarantee.

No, I agree that the Ottoman Turks would revolt. But the Baltic People, the Finns, the Ugrics, Various Serbian Peoples, various Turkish people (Not the Turks themselves), certain Mongolian People, Siberians and Pollacks never really revolted against the Empire (At least not until the whole state Collapsed in 1917). Before that, they sort of accepted Russian Rule and just kind of kept a low profile.

So only the Turks would really be revolting, most of the Ethnicities would actually be fine with my rule.

[Elderowa]

No, I agree that the Ottoman Turks would revolt. But the Baltic People, the Finns, the Ugrics, Various Serbian Peoples, various Turkish people (Not the Turks themselves), certain Mongolian People, Siberians and Pollacks never really revolted against the Empire (At least not until the whole state Collapsed in 1917). Before that, they sort of accepted Russian Rule and just kind of kept a low profile.

So only the Turks would really be revolting, most of the Ethnicities would actually be fine with my rule.

But the Turks are the largest non-Slavic group in your empire. Which is a concern. Any revolt from them could dismantle Byzantia.

Byzantia has a large number of Copts pouring into his kingdom, as well as the native Christians and Jews who disliked Jizya and feeling like Second class Citizens. Plus, when Byzantia was established, it forced all the Muslims to surrender their weapons and now they have to pay a special tax to stay in the Kingdom. Of course it's not perfect, and at least 2 people die a day in Byzantia from Religious violence. But Byzantia has a large Coptic/Orthodox Army, and the support from Russia and Persia.

Also, Byzantia has Arabs and Bedouins, not Turks.

[Elderowa]

Byzantia has a large number of Copts pouring into his kingdom, as well as the native Christians and Jews who disliked Jizya. Plus, when Byzantia was established, it forced all the Muslims to surrender their weapons and now they have to pay a special tax to stay in the Kingdom. Of course it's not perfect, and at least 2 people die a day in Byzantia from Religious violence. But Byzantia has a large Coptic/Orthodox Army, and the support from Russia and Persia.

It could still implode on itself, even with the precautions taken. Plus Northern Anatolia is being armed by the Ukrainians, so weapons will return.

That's true, but right now, it stands.

Plus, it helps that Qutbism hasn't formed yet as Sayyid Qutb isn't even born yet! So the radical extremes of Islam haven't been picked up by the Mainstream Muslims yet.

[Elderowa]

So is this dead or what?Noone has been saying anything

It's just gotten a little quiet. I'm sure tomorrow morning, we'll be having more arguments on whether the Baltic People would help Poland invade Germany.