1905 AH RP: The Aftermath of a Great War (OOC/Open)

[Elderowa]

Exactly! When I refer to Byzantium, I'm referring to the Ottoman Empire/Former Byzantine Empire, which we completely took over from the Great war, then split up into Russian Held Anatolia and the Russian Ruled puppet state of Byzantia, which has to deal with Muslims. The Pope would have too many problems ruling Byzantium; the Muslims, the Influx of Russians, that sliver of land where Bedouins roam we don't own. Too much for him.

Keep in mind HH isn't even ruling Jerusalem. He is sending the camerlengo to set up a papal provisional government while an agreement with the Jewish leaders as to how to govern the region is being reached. The region will basically be fully autonomous and run by, preferably, a council of five Catholics and five Jews. That way the Holy Land is under the protection of the Papacy but does not feel oppressed at all by the Catholic Church.

I noticed that as well. I'd also suggest that that Council have some Orthodox Christians in there as well, or at least an Orthodox President or something like that.

[Elderowa]

Wait, so did Russia give the Pope the Holy Land or what?

I did indeed give him the Holy Land of Israel. But I kept Constantinople/Istanbul/Byzantium for myself.

[Elderowa]

[box]Name of your Rebel Group: Liberate Jerusalem (Освободить Иерусалим)

Accepted

... I haven't even announced that to the world yet!

Let me actually announce it to the World before you can start Rebelling.

Technically, yes. Think of it more as a vassal of the Papacy and not part of it.

Also, I see no issues with Orthodox people also sitting on the council. Five from each religion would bring the council to fifteen members, which is okay with me.

Also, what happens to the a church's that the Orthodox claim in Jerusalem such as the Church of the Resurrection.

They stay Orthodox.

The Aqsa Mosque on the Other hand... *Has a Hammer and a Sickle in his hand*

It isn't yet, but we intend to make it our Capital. Right now, the Hagia Sophia is being Re-Orthodoxied and a new Castle is being built there.

Wow. You're making a city that you gained only a few years back your capital instead of Saint Petersburg, a city that's been the Russian Empire's capital for over 300 years and holds a ton of historical significance, or Moscow, a city that was the Grand Duchy of Moscow, a city that evolved into the Tsardom of Russia, then into the Russian Empire, and also hold a ton of historical significance.

Russians will not be happy.

The Russians will be more then happy to accept Constantinople as their Capital! It's the Center of Orthodoxy! It was the main goal for Russia through out several wars with the Ottomans! Including the Great War! It has the Hagia Sophia! And since Russia claimed it was a continuation of the Byzantine Empire (or so I've been told), it only makes sense!

[Elderowa]

I mean, seriously, what is with the smilies?

Still, many Russians will not be happy about the change from a city that does not hold any significance except the fact that it's the center of a religion and capital of a continuation of an empire that was at odds with Kievan Rus', their ancestral state.

I like smilies. They help show emotion on the Internet.

And Many Russians will be happy with the change. Especially if they are religious (Which most Farmers/Former Serfs and Former Soldiers are) or Patriotic (Many Factory Workers and Urban People are). It shows how far we've come from being enemy of the Byzantines to the Sole Reason Byzantia exists and that we saved Constantinople from becoming Islamic (We've been De-Islamizing it for a while now).

[Elderowa]

I like smilies. They help show emotion on the Internet.

And Many Russians will be happy with the change. Especially if they are religious (Which most Farmers/Former Serfs and Former Soldiers are) or Patriotic (Many Factory Workers and Urban People are). It shows how far we've come from being enemy of the Byzantines to the Sole Reason Byzantia exists and that we saved Constantinople from becoming Islamic (We've been De-Islamizing it for a while now).

Just stop, many peoples eyes are becoming blind.

Also just stop trying to justify the change in capital, a lot of people are going to get pissed off and there's nothing you can do about it.

Fine, I'll stop the Smilies.

I'm not denying Russians won't be mad, your denying there won't be any Russians who won't like the Change. There would be Millions of Russian People who would support the move, just as there would be Millions who would despise it, just as there would be Millions who are neutral on the Subject all together!

[Elderowa]

You forgot mah glorious Guatamalan Empire.

And you took territories out of Germany. Honestly, the only thing they own is former Congress Poland.

Also, Poland is still mine; I just gave them Autonomy, not Independence.

[Elderowa]

Chances are there's more that despise it than the people that support it.

Well, look at it from the perspective of their newly conquered lands as well. Moving the capital might appease the minorities there as it shows Russia is changing to accommodate its new possessions. However, it could also eternally enrage the Islamic people.

I don't plan on appeasing them as Russia!

[Elderowa]

I do not think Russia would be able to hold those Islamic lands much more. The Muslims will have a jihad and probably win as it is to spread out.

We wouldn't get Jihads, as the Caliphate has been destroyed, Persia is in my possession, and the Bedouins and the Egyptians are too backwards to fight me. If anything, I'd get an Infitada (Basically a Rebellion), but they haven't happened yet, and by the time they would, Islam will be on a serious decline.

Well, thank god there's still a sizable number of Islamic people in Turkey that I can use for rebellious purposes.

I don't think the Turks would like the Ukrainians...

[Elderowa]

Chances are there's more that despise it than the people that support it.

Russians are already pissed. I recommend nothing drastic is done.

Well, Dangelia, I have a feeling you'd know more on the subject then I. How would Russians feel if Constantinople was the new Capitol of Russia instead of St. Petersburg? I'm letting you decide.

[Elderowa]

Well, Dangelia, I have a feeling you'd know more on the subject then I. How would Russians feel if Constantinople was the new Capitol of Russia instead of St. Petersburg? I'm letting you decide.

They wouldn't be happy. As Orthodox they do identify with the Patriarchate of Constantinople. But Constantinople is Greek, not Russian. The Russians already have a patriarch and patriarchate in Moscow. It's best that the capital doesn't move. You've already done some really crazy things, anything else, and you're gonna be in trouble with your people.

Very well, we aren't going to make Constantinople the Capitol after all. However, we are still going to be building a Castle there (For Vacations!) and we are still Re-Orthodoxing the Hagia Sophia.

Thank you Dangelia.

[Elderowa]

I like smilies. They help show emotion on the Internet.

And Many Russians will be happy with the change. Especially if they are religious (Which most Farmers/Former Serfs and Former Soldiers are) or Patriotic (Many Factory Workers and Urban People are). It shows how far we've come from being enemy of the Byzantines to the Sole Reason Byzantia exists and that we saved Constantinople from becoming Islamic (We've been De-Islamizing it for a while now).

Patriotic Russians would want a RUSSIAN capital. ????

Mass Immigration would have made it Russian, but thanks to Dangelia, I've decided not to make it the Capitol.

Very well, we aren't going to make Constantinople the Capitol after all. However, we are still going to be building a Castle there (For Vacations!) and we are still Re-Orthodoxing the Hagia Sophia.

Thank you Dangelia.

Now this Russians would love. But yourself still on thin ice with Jerusalem.

It was out of necessity; I couldn't have a Pope spouting "Kill the Russians!" and getting all the Western World to attack me at once, again!

I'll also be supporting Russian Migration into Constantinople to get it that Russian Majority it needs. Particularly, the Russians that had to leave Poland to avoid rebellion.

[Elderowa]

I fixed it. It was 2014. Not 1948.

... It's 1905 in this RP! It's not 2014, it's not 1948, it's 1905!

[Elderowa]

Hey.

How far has it advanced? (I will begin working on my application)

A week or so in January, 1905.

[Elderowa]

A week or so in January, 1905.

Ok. Well, at least you didn't start another world war while I was away for a few days...

Russia is trying to avoid war at all cost, actually. We're content.

[Elderowa]

It was extremely close to that happening.

Can I have a summary of the IC so far? Anything I'd need to know as Germany?

I gave autonomy to Poland, and they're sending Terrorists into Prussia to try to liberate it...

... Yeah...

[Elderowa]

I gave autonomy to Poland, and they're sending Terrorists into Prussia to try to liberate it...

... Yeah...

-sighs-
I guess I've got a rebellion to crush. Would Russia like to help out at all?

We'll send Money and Arms to you, and many strongly written letters to Polands "Dictator" (Really a King) about the conflict. In exchange, we would like some help dealing with the Ukrainians, who are threatening terrorism in our state.

You should join the loose, in-the-works anti-Russia club! Everybody but A-H and Russia basically. Poland seems iffy.

That coalition is dead! Thanks to my appeasment to the Pope.

[Elderowa]

We'll send Money and Arms to you, and many strongly written letters to Polands "Dictator" (Really a King) about the conflict. In exchange, we would like some help dealing with the Ukrainians, who are threatening terrorism in our state.



That coalition is dead! Thanks to my appeasment to the Pope.

Together we shall be the 'Muricas of 1905!
Possibly. Depends on the history of the 20 years war (which I think should be split into multiple wars).

Here's the Sum:

Western Europe was Winning Until 1882, then Russia and Austria started Kicking Ass! Then in the 90's, the Battles just got so bloody and so big that they just sort of ended. Russia lost 30 Million Men and has since been modernizing (We've got a lot of Great War Novels, and our own Car Company, Alexandros, for example). Russia has also been making Anatolia (Which they own now) Russian. I don't know what Western Europe has been doing since then, but Apparently Italy is becoming Fascist without Mussolini.

Oh, also this year, we gave the Pope Israel to satisfy him and keep him from Uniting Western Europe against him.

[Elderowa]

Here's the Sum:

Western Europe was Winning Until 1882, then Russia and Austria started Kicking Ass! Then in the 90's, the Battles just got so bloody and so big that they just sort of ended. Russia lost 30 Million Men and has since been modernizing (We've got a lot of Great War Novels, and our own Car Company, Alexandros, for example). Russia has also been making Anatolia (Which they own now) Russian. I don't know what Western Europe has been doing since then, but Apparently Italy is becoming Fascist without Mussolini.

How do you know the dictator sent the terrorists?

I don't, but it'll be obvious when the Terrorism starts! (Insert Laugh Face here)

[Elderowa]

Here's the Sum:

Western Europe was Winning Until 1882, then Russia and Austria started Kicking Ass! Then in the 90's, the Battles just got so bloody and so big that they just sort of ended. Russia lost 30 Million Men and has since been modernizing (We've got a lot of Great War Novels, and our own Car Company, Alexandros, for example). Russia has also been making Anatolia (Which they own now) Russian. I don't know what Western Europe has been doing since then, but Apparently Italy is becoming Fascist without Mussolini.

My Opinions:

30 million=WAY WAY WAY WAY too many. The death rate needs to be toned down a little. Remember, we aren't trying to mash both world wars into one. Fascist Italy w/out Mussolini=unrealistic. Just sort of ending=probably not possible w/out descending into anarchy. We need some sort of a clearly mapped out history of the war/wars which we can all agree on.

... I wanna be the one who writes this history down, so I call dibs...

[Elderowa]

Wars have been waged over terrorism.

What does that mean?

... World War 1 Started because a Serbian Terrorist killed a Prince of Austria, because Serbia was a puppet of Austria at the Time.

And then, there's 9/11 and the two wars that came after it...

[Elderowa]

The Dictator of Poland sent the Czar an important letter

I'll respond to that in a little bit.

[Elderowa]

Ok, we need to decide on a detailed history of the wars collectively.

Alright, well, we have the beginning and we have the end. We can assume most of the fighting was in Eastern Europe and Anatolia. This shouldn't be to hard to figure out.

[Elderowa]

I highly suggest Russia read Poland's newest IC post

I'm responding! Hold your horses!

Alright, well, we have the beginning and we have the end. We can assume most of the fighting was in Eastern Europe and Anatolia. This shouldn't be to hard to figure out.

Ok. So, Russia and Britain are at war. What happens next?

Actually, it was Russia and A-U vs. Britain, France, and Italy.

Here's what I think should be the first part:

Russia accidentally invades Constantinople and Wins. Britain declares war, and France follows suit. Instantly, the Black Sea and the Mediterranean are Blockaded, while the British sail troops into Crimea. Britain wins the first battles of Crimea, kicking out the Russians and Tatars living there.

[Elderowa]

I mainly only have one issue with the backstory. I don't think it's reasonable for Russia to be able to annex the entirely of the Ottoman Empire after a war (or series of) that really sounds like it ended in a stalemate for both sides Other than that I have no real issue with anything. It just seems a tad unreasonable that they could accomplish annexing an entire empire at once after barely winning. Mind you the Ottos were a rather large empire.

... Perhaps that's why the War went on for 20 years, because there is no way I was going to war and not getting at least Anatolia!

[Elderowa]

... Perhaps that's why the War went on for 20 years, because there is no way I was going to war and not getting at least Anatolia!

But you literally gained the entire empire. Nothing more, nothing less.

Technically, I gained Anatolia, and my Brother Gained the Rest of it as Byzantia, but yes, I did.