1905 AH RP: The Aftermath of a Great War (OOC/Open)

[Elderowa]

Yes, but Ukraine is a central part to Russian history and identity, I mean just look at the news nowadays. If Russia gives Autonomy to Poland, and then Ukraine, every other ethnic group in Russia will want autonomy, and eventually they will all want independence. It will make Russia appear weak and mark the beginning of the end of a great empire. And the Czar was very young when that war occurred. He likely didn't experience as devastating affects as others around him experienced.

He was there on the Front lines, man. He fought with his men. He saw Shit go down! It scarred him. It made him wiser. And made him the person he is today, allowing him not to make the stupid mistakes he would without the war (Like Going to War with Japan over Ownership for something they didn't even want, Korea).

I agree that Ukraine is of Up most Importance to Russia, but war is not the answer (Until it is the only answer). Plus, most of the other Minorities are actually happy with Russian Rule. Only the Pollacks and the Ukrainians are unhappy.

Wow Russia is fking huge. Anyone want to show interest in my Guatemalan Empire?

Well, to be fair, most of the South of Russia are actually Vassal States and Spheres of Influence.

cool pretty cool soon the polish empire will be huge

Hey hey hey! You cannot demand more separations of your Autonomous Oblast, or you're violating our agreement.

Which, btw, is finally up on IC...

[Elderowa]

Nicholas was in his early teens, not even, at the time. He wouldn't have been in the front lines. Especially a future czar.

The war raged from 1878-1897. The bloody Battle at Koper was '92. Nickolas was born in '68. He would have been 24 then, and he would try to show his braveness by being on the front lines. Plus, Alexander III had more then one son, and any one of them could've become Czar.

Also, Russia, we want more rights than the Polish. Like having the right to conduct talks with other nations and not being titled an Oblast. Maybe a vassal or protectorate instead.

Wait we can't talk to other nations? Since when was this? Whatever.

Autonomous Oblasts can talk to other nations...

[Elderowa]

Autonomous Oblasts can talk to other nations...

But we would still like to be classified as a protectorate or a vassal instead.

We can't do that, because you'd then be considered an independent entity from Russia. You have to be an Oblast.

[Elderowa]

We can't do that, because you'd then be considered an independent entity from Russia. You have to be an Oblast.

But we're an independent entity and we belong to you as you said.

OR WE WILL REBEL AND GET FULL INDEPENDENCE

Only if your an Oblast will you be truly considered both. A vassal or Protectorate would make you more of an Independent State then a part of Russia. Your too important to Russia to be an Independent Entity.

How about I just introduce Reform and create the Duma (Elected Legislature)? Then all my Oblasts, both Autonomous and Russian, will have an equal say in the Government.

[Elderowa]

A Catholic monarchy of an independent Ukraine would be of use to HH, but would stir up issues on your home front. For the sake of peace I could never recommend it. Even an Orthodox Ukraine would be of use to dismantle Russia. I am sure the Muslim Egyptian-Sudan government would happily join in dismantling the Russians, as they could stand to gain land in the Middle East. And if the rest of the region is at war with the Russians, the Germans and Scandinavians might even come to party. Along with the US, as they clearly see a threat. And Japan. Russia would be easy to tear apart if the cards are played right. They have one ally we could most likely be overwhelmed by the Italians, French, and Balkans let along if anyone else is added. And support from Russia would be slim if there were massive rebellions and invasions from their other borders.

I might be the pope, but that does not mean HH is unaware of how to dismantle a nation, the Church is fairly good at this.

So everyone should team up on Russia? Not a bad idea.

Tell you what, Italy. If you can secure that an independent Serbia can have Bosnia and Vojvodina, I'm on your side. Albania can have the Coastline of Croatia, Montenegro, Kosovo and Greece if they want. After that, we can just push against the Austrians to piss them off, and you can finish them. Poland can help out, and with Revolution in Ukraine, Russia could be tied down. Egypt could invade the Middle East, and Scandinavia could invade Finland. Then, a united front could push into Russia.

... Really? Everyone is now tag-teaming up on me for no reason?

... Well, good luck convincing your guys population, most of whom are sick to death of war, to do it, without massive revolts, protests, and Communists! I'll just protect my border and let you guys fall apart without me helping!

Then we shall inflate the People's Volunteer Force and seize Ukrainian cities and declare independence.

Fine then, I guess I'll have to send my police into the area...

[Elderowa]

You won't just protect your borders against what would be five or six countries invading, and an ongoing Revolution. Your Middle Eastern colonies would be attacked from all sides by India and Egypt. Austria would collapse under pressures from all sides.

You forget, 2 Of those 6 are whimpy, backward States, 3 of those 6 have already fought and lost to Russia, and 1 of them won't be sending anyone to fight at all (Looking at you, Pope Glitter!)

You will also be faced with similar conditions. Besides, what else can rally the spirit of Catholic Europe more than the Pope preaching the Orthodox Beast of the East is a threat to civilized mankind and must be destroyed? I'd have vast parts of Italy, France, and Spain ready to support a war before word reached you I came out in support of a war.

Oh, I know I will, but I've got Patriotism on my side from actually winning the War last time around. Plus, why would the Pope be declaring a Crusade on a Christian Brother? The Pope never declared a Crusade on an Orthodox State, and the Fourth Crusade wasn't his fault.

Finally, Spain is a weak backward state and Italy and France have already lost to me once. All three will loose, again.

Who will join the Ukrainians and the Polish in their quest for independence?

Also, Poland, will you declare independence?

Eventually but not instantly Janaury 1st,also could you pretty please do your post

You traitor.

[Elderowa]

Russia this will be HELL for you in rping here, you could survive, or not, but trying to respond to the messages of like 5 players will be horrible.

I thought I would be left alone. Turns out, I was wrong.

But Mother Russia will fight to the Death if it has to! Against all if it has to!

[Elderowa]

I thought I would be left alone. Turns out, I was wrong.

But Mother Russia will fight to the Death if it has to! Against all if it has to!

To be honest you're probably better off offering independence to a bunch of your territories to make them pro-russian, offering land for allegiance and then holding onto the still-massive empire with a ton of vassals.

... Nah, I'd rather be a stubborn Russia then a Russia that gives up territory. My King might not be stupid, but he's not weak either, and will not bow down to Threats by the Pope.

Or just until you drop out of the war and go communist like IRL.

Won't happen.

I went 20 years once, I can do it again. I've got Lot's of men, and lots of land. Try to hold it all, I dare you!

It was more an expression than an actual crusade, for dramas sake. It could easily be re-branded as something worse, the Church has an excellent PR department.

And nothing unites a nation more than a common enemy.

I see...

Anyone wanna actually be an ally of Russia? I mean, why would everyone go against the Biggest Empire ever that also won one of the longest wars ever? Maybe Germany should be my Ally?

There is still a chance you will be left at peace. But we will have to wait and see. Staying out of an Italian-Austrian War could perhaps change HH's opinion of your empire.

But at the same time that would kill off his one ally he has. Leaving him alone and probably a target for expansion anyway.

That, and the fact that AHE was the only ally I had through out the Great War, is going to be why I will be aiding the Austrians, at least with Guns and Generals.

[Elderowa]

Russia, give us independence and you won't have to do another Crimean War.

No. You're going to suffer a humiliating defeat if you decide war is your only option. My advice? You take Oblast Status and you like it. *Puts on Iron Glove*

[Elderowa]

No actually you can't do it again. This is what drove Russians to revolt IRL, with other aspects of the Czar's rule that sucked. The point is, if you try to hold off more than four nations by yourself with internal rebellions, colonies breaking off and already unstable situation, you're screwed. Russian Revolution. Planned for around 1917.

Unlike Russia IRL, we didn't loose the Crimean War, we didn't loose the Manchurian War, we didn't suffer a rebellion, and we don't have an army that is poorly equipped. Thanks to 30,000,000 Men dying in the first War, we have more arms for more men now. And thanks to us winning the War, we have a lot of Patriots willing to fight again, and from other Cultures as well.

Russia, give us independence and you won't have to do another Crimean War.

Well independence is nice but we got some good things happening now so until things hit the fan we will sit tight and do our thing,also could I have another nation besides my polish rebels like china or something

Poland, I'm giving you a proposition right now, you help me with the Ukrainian Revolt, and I might, Might, consider your independence...

[Elderowa]

One thing you forget, dear Mother Russia, is new nations like Japan, India, Egypt, and the USA will most likely join the war against you. These nations were basically unaffected by the Great War other than the US who did God knows what to poor Canada. And if we get a China I am sure they would happily assist us in the war against you to reclaim their lost northern lands. Plus more land and more ethnic minorities means more potential rebellions. That is the trouble with expanding way too rapidly, destabilizing said expanded nation is very easy to achieve if it is not already done.

1: Japan has no reason to attack us, as we accepted their rule of Korea. If anything, they would joins us because we would be the Only European Kingdom to accept their Colonial Efforts!

2: The USA would not join the Aggressors, which would be you guys.

3: India would fear us and stay out of the war.

4: Egypt is weak and backwards.

5: Most of my Ethnic Minorities Actually like me and feel the Patriotism of the rest of Russia!

That sounds juicy... But what about the two other wars I'm fighting? I will help but I'm also at war with 2 major empires right now

If Germany sides with the enemy, then I will help you in that war with Guns, Money and Generals. If they side with us, then you might need to put a hold on those wars and help all of us fight off the Invaders.

No, you did lose the Crimean War, you did lose the Manchurian War, and the majority of your army does not have good equipment.

And thanks to you winning the war but with high cost, veterans from other cultures want compensation.

You cannot chance history before 1870.

Except the Crimean War happened in the 70's, and that turned into the Great War. Sorry, that happened in the 50's, but why would I fight the Crimean War, loose it, and then try the same thing 20 years later? Was Russia really that stupid?!

The Manchurian War happened in 1900 AD, and it obviously never happened.

Never said they had good equipment, I just said they all had equipment.

Not changing anything before 1870.

[Elderowa]

Just stop.

The Crimean War happened in 1850.

I know the Manchurian War never happened and it never happened here.

I doubt that.

Stop trying to say the Crimean War happened in 1870.

I actually realized that after I posted, and Edited IC accordingly.

But why would Russia loose the Crimean War, and then 20 years later do the exact same thing and expect different Results? Was Russia really that stupid?!

The Scandinavian Empire finds this hilarious

Hey Scandanavia, you want Finland?

[Elderowa]

I actually realized that after I posted, and Edited IC accordingly.

But why would Russia loose the Crimean War, and then 20 years later do the exact same thing and expect different Results? Was Russia really that stupid?!
The Great War stemmed from the Russo-Turkish War.

Doesn't answer my Question: The Crimean War started because Russia invaded the Ottomans. We lost that war. Why 20 years later would we do the exact same freakin' thing?!

Oh so now you want me to join the war?
I don't know, its like 10 countries vs Russia

XD

I'll be neutral for now, that's the best you can get.

I dunno, I'm thinking about Finland in your hands...

[Elderowa]

1. Japan has an interest in your Chinese territories.

2. The USA clearly stated in their app they view you as a valid threat, chances are they would join.

3. India also stated he/she would join us in the war.

4. Egypt is only ever backwards due to the Scramble for Africa, which never occurred. Therefore, Egypt is a power in the African region. You cannot call every nation ever "backwards" based off their history past 1870. As Russia was far more than backwards after that time and up the 1917 still were backwards.

5. That is realistically and logically very unlikely granted you went and brutally conquered ethnic Turks, other Middle Easterners, ethnic Han, etc. The idea of every ethnic group loving the Russia Empire that brutally conquered them is very unrealistic. Add religious tensions and oh boy do you have a party of people that hate your Czar.

1: Well then Japan is a jerk.

2: The USA is a Jerk.

3: I'm winning India over actually.

4: They'd still loose to me! If the Ottomans lost, they would too!

5: I said Most, not All. Of course they would be pissed, but the Finns, Ugrics, Baltic People, and some Persian and Mongolian Groups would be having Patriotism.

[Elderowa]

Most of my rhetoric has been made to try and show that all of the current nations are weak. The weakest being Russia and second weakest probably A-H or France. The Idea of Russia simply fending off the majority of the prominent powers in the world is clearly absurd.

As HH I certainly agree that diplomatic and peaceful means should always be attempted before we start shooting each other's faces off again. But a potential world alliance system is also something is would be wonderful in case conflict were to break out. Let's review what the real world did. The Allies win WWII and immediately enter the Cold War. Logically, the avoid a third world war, the West forms NATO. This is essentially what the Western European and other global powers who view Russia as a nice meal or a threat would be doing, forming a NATO like alliance system.

Yes, and if they just give us independence, they can avoid the majority of their empire being butchered.

I'm offering you Autonomy. That is the best your getting! *Puts on Russian Hat*

[Elderowa]

Sweden is very disturbed by these events....

Final Chance, Sweden. You ally with me, and I'll give you Finland. But only after a major war, of course.

[Elderowa]

I'm offering you Autonomy. That is the best your getting! *Puts on Russian Hat*

Then you shall die, along with your Empire.

Russian Empire

1721-1905

No... You, Will Die! *Puts on Black Cloak*

Oblast of the Ukraine/Ukrainian People

Ancient Times-1905.

Final Chance, Sweden. You ally with me, and I'll give you Finland. But only after a major war, of course.

But what if you lose Russia?
You have only A-H to back you up, Sweden is too unsure over this, plus if you win then Sweden will still be weakened from the war and then your world-wide domination is secure.... Then I'll probably end up as Russian puppet

I ain't surrendering, so I can't loose!

I have AH And India on my Side as of right now. I'm hoping to get a few more (Maybe the Irish).

And wouldn't you rather live with a Super Powerful but peaceful Russia, or aggressive, territory demanding Western Europeans?

And war with most of the Western World.

But, Dear Mother Russia, who is the real jerk? The nation who goes and annexes of what is basically most of the Middle East or those who feel threatened by the nation that just ate an almost entire region and defeated three powers of the West?

Also Dear Nordic Leader, keep in mind if you join the Brits and the Germans might also hop in as they will see a chance to expand into Greenland, Iceland, and Denmark. What is worse? Winning a war and gaining Finland with most of the world or possibly losing millions of lives to defend the empire who just devastated and destabilized an entire region and then potentially lose your own lands as well.

I'm actually so fascinated by this, not only in this RP but by the Real World: Why the freakin' hell did Europe give a damn about the Ottomans? They where weak, they sucked, they where Muslims, they Persecuted Christians, and Invaded Europe! You had no problem supporting Greece getting Independence from them, but Russia tries to liberate all of the Ottoman held land and all of a sudden "Oh my gosh! Russia, you bad! Sit in the Corner!"

Also Dear Nordic Leader, I will aid you if you side me. I do have 50-80 Million People (Depending on whether you count the Turks as a part of my populace).

[Elderowa]

Can I please have a 2nd nation Poland is cool but until I actually make a country (which will take years because no one is even doing January 1st of their posts) I can't really join wars and stuff so can I also be something,I mean you where two

Spain is nice and Catholic c:

Spain, name your price, and if it's reasonable, I will pay it for you to stay out of any Second Great War!

[Elderowa]

What a new year! The 2nd Great War starts! (Sarcasm)

Actually, I'm now in talks with the Pope. We might not need to go into the 2nd Great War after all!

I just might expand Bengal into this weak China. Maybe liberate Tibet.

And I'd be willing to help you do that.

[Elderowa]

Elderowa, just let Ukraine go. We'll still be pro-Russian, so there's practically no difference. There doesn't need to be a Second Great War.

Too Important to let go, I'm afraid. Plus, I'm in talks with the Pope, we might actually not have a Second Great War. *Punching Iron Fist into Hand*

[Elderowa]

Too Important to let go, I'm afraid. Plus, I'm in talks with the Pope, we might actually not have a Second Great War. *Punching Iron Fist into Hand*

It is not too important to let go. You do this and you save Russian lives. You don't, and we take the damn country over and the rest of your land in Anatolia and the Balkans.

The Pope probably will not choose to cooperate with you.

He will if he wants a certain Holy city. And he will if he wants me to stay out of a certain situation not involving you.

[Elderowa]

The world explodes by nukes the end

Too Early!

Anyways, I'm going off to bed. Good night!

[Elderowa]

And I'm back! Surprisingly, not a lot happened here when I was asleep

[Elderowa]

How about Italy and the Austrians Meet and discuss their Borders. It would be the easiest and least war-causing way to avoid War. The Pope can attend, and I plan to attend if it where to happen.

[Elderowa]

Nation Name:The Union of Independent Republics
Symbols: Main Army Symbol-(Image)
Flag-(Image)

Population: -(minimum)50-200 Million(Maximum)
Location/Claims:(Anywhere Not Claimed in Europe)Poland,The Baltic states(Something)
Capital City: Valdosoiki
Government Type: a Union of Independent Republics(Something like the united states before the Constitution was made)
Ideology: Democratic,Internationalist,Imperialistic,Ultra-nationalist
Leader/s: Premier(President)-Yuri Deschenko
Economy:something like Germany Before World war 1
Infrastructure: a Mix of Heavy American Industry and German industrial Capacity before world war 1
Army:200,000 men
Navy:50 Ships(10 of which are Battleships)
Air Force: 2,000 Planes(Both Fighters and Bombers)
Goals:to Liberate Former Lands that are under Russian Control to Rightful nationalities and to restore peace to Europe.
History:Formed Between Poland and the Baltic States after the Defeat of Napoleon in the Napoleonic wars. The Union is a Loose Collection of republics that wish to be independent but work together(Something like the E-U and NATO Mixed together)
RP Sample:
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... I own Poland and the Baltic States. Plus, I just gave the Poland Rebels Autonomy...