1992: The Modern Scenario (AH, OOC/FINISHED)

[Bolkania]

And that's why NATO is a terrorist organization.

Because stopping genocide using state actors w/ UN support is terrorism. *nodsnodsnods*

Supporting an illegitimate state bringing mass expulsion as well as destroying UN-protected churches is a bitch move at least, but hey, let's not turn this into a "KOSOVO IS SHIQPTARÏË!!!1!" thread.

[Serbian Kosovo]

Because stopping genocide using state actors w/ UN support is terrorism. *nodsnodsnods*

Supporting an illegitimate state bringing mass expulsion as well as destroying UN-protected churches is a bitch move at least, but hey, let's not turn this into a "KOSOVO IS SHIQPTARÏË!!!1!" thread.

Well, destroying our Serbian Orthodox Churches was the biggest crime they ever done at the bombing, killing a lot of Orthodox priests, same as the Albanians did that during the Kosovo War, they attacked and burned down our churches. They almost destroyed a UNESCO protected religious object, the Cathedral of Saint Sava, and also the Studenica.

[The New Lowlands]

Supporting an illegitimate state bringing mass expulsion as well as destroying UN-protected churches is a bitch move at least, but hey, let's not turn this into a "KOSOVO IS SHIQPTARÏË!!!1!" thread.

Well, destroying our Serbian Orthodox Churches was the biggest crime they ever done at the bombing, killing a lot of Orthodox priests, same as the Albanians did that during the Kosovo War, they attacked and burned down our churches. They almost destroyed a UNESCO protected religious object, the Cathedral of Saint Sava, and also the Studenica.

Shit happens when you have a war, who knew?

[Serbian Kosovo]

Well, destroying our Serbian Orthodox Churches was the biggest crime they ever done at the bombing, killing a lot of Orthodox priests, same as the Albanians did that during the Kosovo War, they attacked and burned down our churches. They almost destroyed a UNESCO protected religious object, the Cathedral of Saint Sava, and also the Studenica.

Shit happens when you have a war, who knew?

So it's funny for you of my people getting killed during that illegal NATO terrorist bombing? And destroying our religious objects? How would that be to you if some Nation would bombard your country, kill many people and destroy many objects, such as religious one and parliament ones, UNESCO protected ones. NATO is a organization with a bunch of terrorist war criminals, such as BILL CLINTON.

[The New Lowlands]

Shit happens when you have a war, who knew?

So it's funny for you of my people getting killed during that illegal NATO terrorist bombing? And destroying our religious objects? How would that be to you if some Nation would bombard your country, kill many people and destroy many objects, such as religious one and parliament ones, UNESCO protected ones. NATO is a organization with a bunch of terrorist war criminals, such as BILL CLINTON.

Do I find it funny? No. Do I think that NATO's intervention in Kosovo was justifiable? Certainly.

Insofar as I'm aware, NATO did not deliberately target civilians, nor did they commit any other war crime. UNESCO heritage sites are kind of difficult to watch out for in a war.

[Lunas Legion]

So it's funny for you of my people getting killed during that illegal NATO terrorist bombing? And destroying our religious objects? How would that be to you if some Nation would bombard your country, kill many people and destroy many objects, such as religious one and parliament ones, UNESCO protected ones. NATO is a organization with a bunch of terrorist war criminals, such as BILL CLINTON.

Do I find it funny? No. Do I think that NATO's intervention in Kosovo was justifiable? Certainly.

Insofar as I'm aware, NATO did not deliberately target civilians, nor did they commit any other war crime. UNESCO heritage sites are kind of difficult to watch out for in a war.

War is war. There will be collateral damage, although the US seems to specialise in dealing as much as possible as seen by the numerous friendly fire incidents between US and other NATO forces.

It happened historically as well, mostly in WW2; Coventry Cathedral, much of Tokyo was firebombed, Stalingrad.

Serbia should be glad NATO didn't go 'total war' on them. Otherwise Belgrade would be in a similar condition to Stalingrad post WW2.

[Serbian Kosovo]

Do I find it funny? No. Do I think that NATO's intervention in Kosovo was justifiable? Certainly.

Insofar as I'm aware, NATO did not deliberately target civilians, nor did they commit any other war crime. UNESCO heritage sites are kind of difficult to watch out for in a war.

War is war. There will be collateral damage, although the US seems to specialise in dealing as much as possible as seen by the numerous friendly fire incidents between US and other NATO forces.

It happened historically as well, mostly in WW2; Coventry Cathedral, much of Tokyo was firebombed, Stalingrad.

Serbia should be glad NATO didn't go 'total war' on them. Otherwise Belgrade would be in a similar condition to Stalingrad post WW2.

If NATO would go 'total war', Russia would get involved and fight against NATO. Bill Clinton is a war criminal. I don't wanna argue with you "NATO-supporters", because it gives no sense anyway to argue.

[Lunas Legion]

War is war. There will be collateral damage, although the US seems to specialise in dealing as much as possible as seen by the numerous friendly fire incidents between US and other NATO forces.

It happened historically as well, mostly in WW2; Coventry Cathedral, much of Tokyo was firebombed, Stalingrad.

Serbia should be glad NATO didn't go 'total war' on them. Otherwise Belgrade would be in a similar condition to Stalingrad post WW2.

If NATO would go 'total war', Russia would get involved and fight against NATO. Bill Clinton is a war criminal. I don't wanna argue with you "NATO-supporters", because it gives no sense anyway to argue.

Bill Clinton didn't commit genocide. He issued orders which were carried out, and those orders resulted in mistargeted bombings. No one is to blame bar US military incompetence.

And Russia couldn't do anything against NATO, because, y'know, MAD.

[The New Lowlands]

War is war. There will be collateral damage, although the US seems to specialise in dealing as much as possible as seen by the numerous friendly fire incidents between US and other NATO forces.

It happened historically as well, mostly in WW2; Coventry Cathedral, much of Tokyo was firebombed, Stalingrad.

Serbia should be glad NATO didn't go 'total war' on them. Otherwise Belgrade would be in a similar condition to Stalingrad post WW2.

If NATO would go 'total war', Russia would get involved and fight against NATO. Bill Clinton is a war criminal. I don't wanna argue with you "NATO-supporters", because it gives no sense anyway to argue.

I sincerely doubt that Russia- which at the time was basically collapsing, with most of the Warsaw Pact fleeing Westwards- would have granted any effective support.

[China Imperium]

NS Name: The Colony of Chins Imperium
[b]Nation Name: (You are encouraged to include both its formal name and its informal name): Formal Name: The Republic of India, Informal name: Hindustan or Bharat or Aryavart, or Bharatvarsh,.
Head of State: P. V. Narasimha Rao
[b]Head of Government: Atul Bihari Bajpay
[b]Flag:(Put in Spoiler): you dont know what the indian flag looks like?
Claims: (The official territory of your country):
Capital City: New Dehli

Government Form: Republic
Ideology: (Refer to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_po ... ogies) Empire
Foreign Policy: (How does your nation see the world? What is its stance or position on issues outside its country?) Very active will participate
Domestic Policy: (How does your nation internally operate?) It operates in states, each state has a governor who governs the state and looks after its development the states pay a 50% tax to the New Dehli who accumilates it ever year and decides to spend it on several things.
Civil Freedoms /10: 9/10
Political Freedoms /10: 7/10
Economic Freedoms /10: 10/10

Military Size: 3,000,000
Military Description: (ie, quality of equipment, doctrine, etc.) adequate quality.
Strengths and Weaknesses: (What is your military good at, and what is it bad at?) My millitary is well trained and discipline, but is reluctant to go into war.
Law Enforcement: Strictly enforced by the police and the high court.
Intelligence agencies(Domestic and Foreign): RAW and Bharatiya Dimagi Santulan (BDS)


Description of Your Nation's Economy: Developing and industrial
Description of Your Nation's Government: Good and strict, but also not corrupt.
History of your Nation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_India
Population of entire nation: 800,000,000

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[Kryskov]

At least Bill Clinton didn't displace hundreds of thousands of Albanians, tens of thousands of which had no shelter against a cold winter.

[Serbian Kosovo]

At least Bill Clinton didn't displace hundreds of thousands of Albanians, tens of thousands of which had no shelter against a cold winter.

It's their fault for calling NATO to bomb us, and as a revenge we sent them back to Albania, and expelled from their houses.

[Kryskov]

At least Bill Clinton didn't displace hundreds of thousands of Albanians, tens of thousands of which had no shelter against a cold winter.

It's their fault for calling NATO to bomb us, and as a revenge we sent them back to Albania, and expelled from their houses.

1. This occurred before NATO got involved.
2. How does a military act justify targeting civilians? You are making an illogical argument.
3. So it is everyone but Serbia's fault?

[Serbian Kosovo]

It's their fault for calling NATO to bomb us, and as a revenge we sent them back to Albania, and expelled from their houses.

1. This occurred before NATO got involved.
2. How does a military act justify targeting civilians? You are making an illogical argument.
3. So it is everyone but Serbia's fault?

1. No it didn't, it happened during the NATO bombing, because of those Albanians calling them to bomb us, and so we expelled them from their homes.
2. We did that during the NATO bombing, and we did not kill any Albanians, we just expelled them from their homes to show revenge because they called NATO to bomb us and destroy lots of our cities and bridges.
3. No, it isn't.

[The New Lowlands]

1. This occurred before NATO got involved.
2. How does a military act justify targeting civilians? You are making an illogical argument.
3. So it is everyone but Serbia's fault?

1. No it didn't, it happened during the NATO bombing, because of those Albanians calling them to bomb us, and so we expelled them from their homes.
2. We did that during the NATO bombing, and we did not kill any Albanians, we just expelled them from their homes to show revenge because they called NATO to bomb us and destroy lots of our cities and bridges.
3. No, it isn't.

Wikisez:
"On 26 June 1990 Serbian authorities closed the Kosovo Assembly citing special circumstances. On 1 or 2 July 1990 Serbia approved the new amendments to the Constitution of Serbia in a referendum. Also on 2 July, 114 ethnic Albanian delegates of the 180 member Kosovo Assembly declared Kosovo an independent republic within Yugoslavia. On 5 July the Serbian Assembly dissolved the Kosovo Assembly. Serbia also dissolved the provincial executive council and assumed full and direct control of the province. Serbia took over management of Kosovo's principal Albanian-language media, halting Albanian-language broadcasts. On 4 September 1990 Kosovar Albanians observed a 24-hour general strike, virtually shutting down the province."

"On 23 September 1998 acting under Chapter VII of the United Nations Charter the UN Security Council adopted Resolution 1199. This expressed 'grave concern' at reports reaching the Secretary General that over 230,000 people had been displaced from their homes by 'the excessive and indiscriminate use of force by Serbian security forces and the Yugoslav Army'"

"On 13 October 1998, the North Atlantic Council issued issue activation orders (ACTORDs) for the execution of both limited air strikes and a phased air campaign in Yugoslavia which would begin in approximately 96 hours."

Can we stop threadjacking, now?

[Bolkania]

Can we stop threadjacking, now?

Weren't you the one that derailed it anyway by responding to SK's views on NATO?

[Serbian Kosovo]

Weren't you the one that derailed it anyway by responding to SK's views on NATO?

I never said "Can we stop threadjacking, now". Well, now I will say, Can we stop threadjacking now? Because it's getting annoying, and I even started it...

[Machtergreifung]

NS Name: Machtergreifung
Nation Name: The United States of South Africa, USSA, South Africa
Head of State: Alexander van der Torren
Head of Government: John Mputa
Flag:

http://www.theodora.com/wfb/south_africa/sf.gif

Claims: South Africa, Lethoso, Namibia, Botswana, Swaziland and Zimbabwe
Capital City: Johannesburg

Government Form: Unitary Republic
Ideology: Center-left
Foreign Policy: Extremely concerned about affairs in Africa and the southern hemisphere in general, but on the surface, largely indifferent to international events elsewhere. However, a grain of paranoia runs in the government of the USSA, and the country operates an extremely large and effective international inteligence service.
Domestic Policy: The USSA is geared towards domestic improvement. A great deal of government investment is underway to expand infrastructure, encourage industry and promote economic growth.
Civil Freedoms 7/10:
Political Freedoms 7/10:
Economic Freedoms 6/10:

Military Size: 96,000
Military Description: The military of the USSA is a well-rounded force, arguably the best in the region. While it would shape up poorly to other armies in conventional warfare due to outdated equipment and little experience in conventional wars, the South African military has a vast depth of experience in the areas of counter-insurgency, low-intensity warfare and conducting operations in the difficult terrain of Africa.
Strengths and Weaknesses: Strengths: light infantry operations, long-range operations, counter-insurgency, low-intensity warfare, covert operations. Weaknesses: conventional warfare, lack of technologically advanced weapons systems.
Law Enforcement: 1,500,000
Intelligence agencies(Domestic and Foreign): Directorate of Inteligence (DI), both domestic and foriegn.


Description of Your Nation's Economy: The South African economy is mainly geared towards resource expolitation, but in recent years, there has been more and more growth of domestic industry, as the reforms of the Progressive Party start to have an impact on the country.
Description of Your Nation's Government: The Progressive Party is the largest party in South African politics, largely due to it's role in ending apartheid in 1979, though in recent years other parties have started to wear away at the Progressive Party's dominant position.

The lower house, the National Assembly, is elected by proportional representation. The upper house, the Senate, is elected from amongst the State Legistlatures, which are elected by their own states.

History of your Nation: Apartheid in South Africa ended in 1971, largely thanks to the work of individuals such as Helen Suzman, Nelson Mandella and Ronnie Kasrils in mobilizing popular support for the end of apartheid in the form of the Progressive Party. The ruling National Party, faced with a massive campaign of civil disobedience and the possibility of civil war opened negoations with the Progressive Party, and by 1975, South Africa was a nation of equals.

Following this, the National Party disbanded, and the Progressive Party enjoyed nearly two decades of popular support. The change in government from the white-domination to a nation led by a mixed-race government had a massive impact regionally, as the bastion of apartheid disapeared in South Africa it collapsed in neighbouring nations. Namibia remained as a part of South Africa, as the drastic change in leadership caused the souce of popular discontent to disapear.

The Union of South African states was formed offically in 1977 when talks began between the government of South Africa and Botswana regarding regional unity, spurred on by the conflict in Rhodesia. The two nations eventually agreed to a federal form of government, with Botswanan participation being encouraged by a large deal of investment in that country.

The Union expanded in 1980 when the South African government mediated talks between the factions in conflict in Rhodesia in an effort to end the civil war. Both sides found the terms proposed agreeable, and an agreement was reached whereby the country would become part of the USSA . However, some extremist factions supported by the USSR did not consider the resulting treaty fair or binding, and the region suffered from a drawn out guerllia war for the next five years.


Population of entire nation: 7,000,000

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[The White Horde]

ARAB LEAGUE SUMMIT. NPCS NEEDED. BRING YOUR BEST THAWB.

[Sabara]

I will put up my first post on the IC today regarding an Asiatic summit between China, Malaysia, and Japan in Nagoya.

[Epraria]

NS Name: Machtergreifung
Nation Name: The United States of South Africa, USSA, South Africa
Head of State: Alexander van der Torren
Head of Government: John Mputa
Flag:

http://www.theodora.com/wfb/south_africa/sf.gif

Claims: South Africa, Lethoso, Namibia, Botswana, Swaziland and Zimbabwe
Capital City: Johannesburg

Government Form: Unitary Republic
Ideology: Center-left
Foreign Policy: Extremely concerned about affairs in Africa and the southern hemisphere in general, but on the surface, largely indifferent to international events elsewhere. However, a grain of paranoia runs in the government of the USSA, and the country operates an extremely large and effective international inteligence service.
Domestic Policy: The USSA is geared towards domestic improvement. A great deal of government investment is underway to expand infrastructure, encourage industry and promote economic growth.
Civil Freedoms 7/10:
Political Freedoms 7/10:
Economic Freedoms 6/10:

Military Size: 96,000
Military Description: The military of the USSA is a well-rounded force, arguably the best in the region. While it would shape up poorly to other armies in conventional warfare due to outdated equipment and little experience in conventional wars, the South African military has a vast depth of experience in the areas of counter-insurgency, low-intensity warfare and conducting operations in the difficult terrain of Africa.
Strengths and Weaknesses: Strengths: light infantry operations, long-range operations, counter-insurgency, low-intensity warfare, covert operations. Weaknesses: conventional warfare, lack of technologically advanced weapons systems.
Law Enforcement: 1,500,000
Intelligence agencies(Domestic and Foreign): Directorate of Inteligence (DI), both domestic and foriegn.


Description of Your Nation's Economy: The South African economy is mainly geared towards resource expolitation, but in recent years, there has been more and more growth of domestic industry, as the reforms of the Progressive Party start to have an impact on the country.
Description of Your Nation's Government: The Progressive Party is the largest party in South African politics, largely due to it's role in ending apartheid in 1979, though in recent years other parties have started to wear away at the Progressive Party's dominant position.

The lower house, the National Assembly, is elected by proportional representation. The upper house, the Senate, is elected from amongst the State Legistlatures, which are elected by their own states.

History of your Nation: Apartheid in South Africa ended in 1971, largely thanks to the work of individuals such as Helen Suzman, Nelson Mandella and Ronnie Kasrils in mobilizing popular support for the end of apartheid in the form of the Progressive Party. The ruling National Party, faced with a massive campaign of civil disobedience and the possibility of civil war opened negoations with the Progressive Party, and by 1975, South Africa was a nation of equals.

Following this, the National Party disbanded, and the Progressive Party enjoyed nearly two decades of popular support. The change in government from the white-domination to a nation led by a mixed-race government had a massive impact regionally, as the bastion of apartheid disapeared in South Africa it collapsed in neighbouring nations. Namibia remained as a part of South Africa, as the drastic change in leadership caused the souce of popular discontent to disapear.

The Union of South African states was formed offically in 1977 when talks began between the government of South Africa and Botswana regarding regional unity, spurred on by the conflict in Rhodesia. The two nations eventually agreed to a federal form of government, with Botswanan participation being encouraged by a large deal of investment in that country.

The Union expanded in 1980 when the South African government mediated talks between the factions in conflict in Rhodesia in an effort to end the civil war. Both sides found the terms proposed agreeable, and an agreement was reached whereby the country would become part of the USSA . However, some extremist factions supported by the USSR did not consider the resulting treaty fair or binding, and the region suffered from a drawn out guerllia war for the next five years.


Population of entire nation: 7,000,000

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South Africa has already been taken.

[The New Lowlands]

Weren't you the one that derailed it anyway by responding to SK's views on NATO?

Yep.

[Sabara]

You sure you wanna do that? Are you sure you wanna do that? Vietnam to the South-..North Korea to the East-...And a Big Communist Supporter in the North.

I'm hell as damn sure I want to do that. Russia can just suck my Chinese dick.

I'll be back in a bit. Time to go liberate some Koreans.

Japan shall aid this rightful conquest.

[The New Lowlands]

I'm hell as damn sure I want to do that. Russia can just suck my Chinese dick.

I'll be back in a bit. Time to go liberate some Koreans.

Japan shall aid this rightful conquest.

*concern*

[Sabara]

Japan shall aid this rightful conquest.

*concern*

No need to be concerned.

I don't think the Japanese military is in any state to lead an invasion of anywhere..