1992: The Modern Scenario (AH, OOC/FINISHED)

[Bolkania]

Most of Turkey's financial sector is stationed in Istanbul, so losing it for any amount of time would devastate Turkey's economy. Any attack on western Turkey also would shatter the tourist industry that in the 90s was picking up speed, as those new shiny hotels could not match new MiG-29FCs.

Yes, it would devastate Turkey's economy. However, it also provides you with a couple million angry anti-Bulgarians to deal with, and you'll be at war with Italy and the United States of America.

If you intend to invade Turkey though, do it. I've wanted to annex Southern Bulgaria and I won't even have to attack you for it.

How are you so sure you can trust the Italians and Americans to save your asses?

[Rephesus]

Especially considering Italy has no power for a western nation ittl, and if it ended up at war with france it would be crushed.

[Doitsu-san]

Yes, it would devastate Turkey's economy. However, it also provides you with a couple million angry anti-Bulgarians to deal with, and you'll be at war with Italy and the United States of America.

If you intend to invade Turkey though, do it. I've wanted to annex Southern Bulgaria and I won't even have to attack you for it.

The USA won't go to war with India, Eastern Europe, the Catholic world (Yes, france would back this) and Arabia over Ba'athist Turkey.

1) Arabia has already stopped it's assault, and is going to engage in peace talks (most likely becoming an ally of Turkey as a clause)
2) France backing a war because of religion? Didn't someone say this was the modern era?
3) China would declare war on India if it attacked Turkey, and China would gangbang you with the United States.

[Doitsu-san]

Yes, it would devastate Turkey's economy. However, it also provides you with a couple million angry anti-Bulgarians to deal with, and you'll be at war with Italy and the United States of America.

If you intend to invade Turkey though, do it. I've wanted to annex Southern Bulgaria and I won't even have to attack you for it.

How are you so sure you can trust the Italians and Americans to save your asses?

1) America is in an alliance with Turkey.
2) Italy sees Turkey as a de facto ally.

[Rephesus]

The USA won't go to war with India, Eastern Europe, the Catholic world (Yes, france would back this) and Arabia over Ba'athist Turkey.

1) Arabia has already stopped it's assault, and is going to engage in peace talks (most likely becoming an ally of Turkey as a clause)
2) France backing a war because of religion? Didn't someone say this was the modern era?
3) China would declare war on India if it attacked Turkey, and China would gangbang you with the United States.

1) arabia won't ally with you, that's ridiculous.
2) You happen to be a near-faschist imperialist who's oppressing Greece, Albanians and other European Minorities, France doesn't approve.
3) The USA won't raise a hand to India, and China might even switch sides. The world happens to like when oppressed minorities are liberated from crazy Ba'athist dictators.

[Rephesus]

How are you so sure you can trust the Italians and Americans to save your asses?

1) America is in an alliance with Turkey.
2) Italy sees Turkey as a de facto ally.

The US won't ruin their international reputation over Turkey, that's just ridiculous.

[Doitsu-san]

1) America is in an alliance with Turkey.
2) Italy sees Turkey as a de facto ally.

The US won't ruin their international reputation over Turkey, that's just ridiculous.

They would ruin their reputation by defending an ally against foreign invaders? Explain.

[Doitsu-san]

1) Arabia has already stopped it's assault, and is going to engage in peace talks (most likely becoming an ally of Turkey as a clause)
2) France backing a war because of religion? Didn't someone say this was the modern era?
3) China would declare war on India if it attacked Turkey, and China would gangbang you with the United States.

1) arabia won't ally with you, that's ridiculous.
2) You happen to be a near-faschist imperialist who's oppressing Greece, Albanians and other European Minorities, France doesn't approve.
3) The USA won't raise a hand to India, and China might even switch sides. The world happens to like when oppressed minorities are liberated from crazy Ba'athist dictators.

1) Arabia will, in exchange for peace and territories in Persia
2) How am I an imperialist? I have not attacked one nation offensively, and Northern Greece is now mostly Turkish.
3)
>Implying Turkey is openly Ba'athist
>Implying Turkey is a dictatorship
>Implying that minorities are being opressed

[Rephesus]

The US won't ruin their international reputation over Turkey, that's just ridiculous.

They would ruin their reputation by defending an ally against foreign invaders? Explain.

The Union happens to be a far more valuable US ally than Turkey.

[Bolkania]

The US won't ruin their international reputation over Turkey, that's just ridiculous.

They would ruin their reputation by defending an ally against foreign invaders? Explain.

Turkey is already being seen as an aggressor. America has an interest for a friendly more liked ally in the Balkans. Since the USSR is not around any longer, Turkey is not really needed for it's location.

America could even see as Karma, and support the Greeks for independence.

[Rephesus]

1) arabia won't ally with you, that's ridiculous.
2) You happen to be a near-faschist imperialist who's oppressing Greece, Albanians and other European Minorities, France doesn't approve.
3) The USA won't raise a hand to India, and China might even switch sides. The world happens to like when oppressed minorities are liberated from crazy Ba'athist dictators.

1) Arabia will, in exchange for peace and territories in Persia
2) How am I an imperialist? I have not attacked one nation offensively, and Northern Greece is now mostly Turkish.
3)
>Implying Turkey is openly Ba'athist
>Implying Turkey is a dictatorship
>Implying that minorities are being opressed

1) No, they won't. And Iran won't lose any territory otherwise India will liberate All of Turkey's occupied territory.
2)You happen to control non-Turkic land
3)
>It doesn't have to be open, just like NK doesn't openly have to be a dictatorship
>It is.
>They Are. You forcibly moved Albanians and Greeks from Their land and now it is 'Mostly Turkish'.

[Doitsu-san]

They would ruin their reputation by defending an ally against foreign invaders? Explain.

The Union happens to be a far more valuable US ally than Turkey.

Possibly, if the U.S. wants to go along with your attempted hegemony over the Middle East. The U.S. already has an alliance with Turkey and is at war with Iran, it will get all the natural gas that Persia has to offer when the war is over.

[Bolkania]

1) arabia won't ally with you, that's ridiculous.
2) You happen to be a near-faschist imperialist who's oppressing Greece, Albanians and other European Minorities, France doesn't approve.
3) The USA won't raise a hand to India, and China might even switch sides. The world happens to like when oppressed minorities are liberated from crazy Ba'athist dictators.

1) Arabia will, in exchange for peace and territories in Persia
2) How am I an imperialist? I have not attacked one nation offensively, and Northern Greece is now mostly Turkish.
3)
>Implying Turkey is openly Ba'athist
>Implying Turkey is a dictatorship
>Implying that minorities are being opressed

Greek would never bend over for the Turks, history shows that regardless of it being AH. The Greeks would also cause the Turks a headache, and we have not even started with the Albanians...

[Doitsu-san]

1) Arabia will, in exchange for peace and territories in Persia
2) How am I an imperialist? I have not attacked one nation offensively, and Northern Greece is now mostly Turkish.
3)
>Implying Turkey is openly Ba'athist
>Implying Turkey is a dictatorship
>Implying that minorities are being opressed

1) No, they won't. And Iran won't lose any territory otherwise India will liberate All of Turkey's occupied territory.
2)You happen to control non-Turkic land
3)
>It doesn't have to be open, just like NK doesn't openly have to be a dictatorship
>It is.
>They Are. You forcibly moved Albanians and Greeks from Their land and now it is 'Mostly Turkish'.

1) You're going to have to talk to the United States about that
2) It is Turkic now, you're argument is invalid
3)
>Turkey is nothing on the scale of North Korea obviousness.
>Yes, it's not like there are elections, rotating presidents and government officials, powers invested in the Legislative and Judicial Branches. Either you have no idea what a dictatorship is or are deliberately skewing the facts.
>So, you are now dictating what Turkish domestic policy is? The Albanians assimilated with Turkish immigrants from Anatolia, their language is still used with Turkish but they feel attached to Ankara. Turks were removed from Southern Greece and Greeks from Northern Greece in a mutual population exchange.

[Rephesus]

The Union happens to be a far more valuable US ally than Turkey.

Possibly, if the U.S. wants to go along with your attempted hegemony over the Middle East. The U.S. already has an alliance with Turkey and is at war with Iran, it will get all the natural gas that Persia has to offer when the war is over.

You have no claim over Iranian oil, any attempt to take it would be met with force.
And India has no hegemony over the ME, no stake either, we don't appreciate crazy turkish dictatorships invading other nations and oppressing minorities. Most nations don't.

I'm sure when they weigh Japan, Scandinavia, The Indian Union, Arabia, Iran, Greece, Albania, France, Iberia, almost all of Africa and Egypt against Turkey and possibly Italy, it's a clear choice.

[Doitsu-san]

1) Arabia will, in exchange for peace and territories in Persia
2) How am I an imperialist? I have not attacked one nation offensively, and Northern Greece is now mostly Turkish.
3)
>Implying Turkey is openly Ba'athist
>Implying Turkey is a dictatorship
>Implying that minorities are being opressed

Greek would never bend over for the Turks, history shows that regardless of it being AH. The Greeks would also cause the Turks a headache, and we have not even started with the Albanians...

Like I said the Greeks were largely removed from the North and migrated South due to distaste of Turkish governance, of course some still remain and are nationalists. Albania saw that it was either going to be absorbed by the Communist Yugoslavians, or it could unite with the rather-liberal Turks, so it chose the latter option.

[Rephesus]

Population exchange? Seriously? Find me a single Albanian or Greek person who wants to fuck a turk after being colonized by them and I'll give you a medal and Sri Lanka. There is no way that they would agree to population exchange, even with monetary incentive. Unless you're advocating rape, in which case you should've been invaded decades ago.

[Bolkania]

1) No, they won't. And Iran won't lose any territory otherwise India will liberate All of Turkey's occupied territory.
2)You happen to control non-Turkic land
3)
>It doesn't have to be open, just like NK doesn't openly have to be a dictatorship
>It is.
>They Are. You forcibly moved Albanians and Greeks from Their land and now it is 'Mostly Turkish'.

1) You're going to have to talk to the United States about that
2) It is Turkic now, you're argument is invalid
3)
>Turkey is nothing on the scale of North Korea obviousness.
>Yes, it's not like there are elections, rotating presidents and government officials, powers invested in the Legislative and Judicial Branches. Either you have no idea what a dictatorship is or are deliberately skewing the facts.
>So, you are now dictating what Turkish domestic policy is? The Albanians assimilated with Turkish immigrants from Anatolia, their language is still used with Turkish but they feel attached to Ankara. Turks were removed from Southern Greece and Greeks from Northern Greece in a mutual population exchange.

I extremely doubt that in 50 years you assimilated a whole populace of Albanians. They did that in Yugoslavia, and look what happened to that. Also, why the fuck would Albania, 40 years after fighting from Ottoman oppression want to join the same people that enslaved them?

I'm sure when they weigh Japan, Scandinavia, The Indian Union, Arabia, Iran, Greece, Albania, France, Iberia, almost all of Africa and Egypt against Turkey and possibly Italy, it's a clear choice.

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Bulgaria can into?

[Doitsu-san]

Possibly, if the U.S. wants to go along with your attempted hegemony over the Middle East. The U.S. already has an alliance with Turkey and is at war with Iran, it will get all the natural gas that Persia has to offer when the war is over.

You have no claim over Iranian oil, any attempt to take it would be met with force.
And India has no hegemony over the ME, no stake either, we don't appreciate crazy turkish dictatorships invading other nations and oppressing minorities. Most nations don't.

I'm sure when they weigh Japan, Scandinavia, The Indian Union, Arabia, Iran, Greece, Albania, France, Iberia, almost all of Africa and Egypt against Turkey and possibly Italy, it's a clear choice.

*sigh*
Obviously it is useless debating with you because you refuse to recognize simple facts
1) Turkey has not invaded any nation, it has defended it's allies, and retaliated against a Greek invasion
2) Half of those nations that you lifted on there have no place or interest in the conflict, much less a reason to join. Assuming all those nations suddenly would decide to band together (because Turkey defended it's ally from an Iranian invasion, supposedly) is ridiculous. If India were to get involved it would be, at the most Bulgaria, Greece, India, and Egypt fighting together; but this is even more hilarious since India has no reason to hate the Turks or fight against them, besides your OOC convictions.

[Doitsu-san]

1) You're going to have to talk to the United States about that
2) It is Turkic now, you're argument is invalid
3)
>Turkey is nothing on the scale of North Korea obviousness.
>Yes, it's not like there are elections, rotating presidents and government officials, powers invested in the Legislative and Judicial Branches. Either you have no idea what a dictatorship is or are deliberately skewing the facts.
>So, you are now dictating what Turkish domestic policy is? The Albanians assimilated with Turkish immigrants from Anatolia, their language is still used with Turkish but they feel attached to Ankara. Turks were removed from Southern Greece and Greeks from Northern Greece in a mutual population exchange.

I extremely doubt that in 50 years you assimilated a whole populace of Albanians. They did that in Yugoslavia, and look what happened to that. Also, why the fuck would Albania, 40 years after fighting from Ottoman oppression want to join the same people that enslaved them?

I'm sure when they weigh Japan, Scandinavia, The Indian Union, Arabia, Iran, Greece, Albania, France, Iberia, almost all of Africa and Egypt against Turkey and possibly Italy, it's a clear choice.

The Albanians would rather be Turkish, and be given a good amount of autonomy, than be a Serbian province under a dictatorship. The Albanians share most of their culture and religion with the Turks, it clearly is the better alternative than being under the Serbians (who hate them).

[Bolkania]

I extremely doubt that in 50 years you assimilated a whole populace of Albanians. They did that in Yugoslavia, and look what happened to that. Also, why the fuck would Albania, 40 years after fighting from Ottoman oppression want to join the same people that enslaved them?

The Albanians would rather be Turkish, and be given a good amount of autonomy, than be a Serbian province under a dictatorship. The Albanians share most of their culture and religion with the Turks, it clearly is the better alternative than being under the Serbians (who hate them).

Yugoslavia don't hate them, and gave them autonomy. It was only until the 90s when things got very messy.

I just doubt that your claim that Albanians wouldn't rebel and seek independence is both a huge underestimate of Albanian free will and courage.

[Alouite]

And I vill conqere all of teh yurups!

No, but tbh. I need someone to post something regarding Maghreb.

[Bolkania]

I thought the same reason Turkey "defend" Azerbaijan was the same reason India would side with Iran...

[Keznov]

Can I get a quick update on all that has happened thus far?

[Bolkania]

Can I get a quick update on all that has happened thus far?

- Hostilities between Iran and Turkey have began.
- PAE has some conference on.