1992: The Modern Scenario (AH, OOC/FINISHED)

[Bolkania]

Let them make their way through the thousands of Turkish reservists called up, and Italian reinforcements that would quickly be sent to Thrace.

I love this, it is developing into a 3 in 1 deal! What a great value!

Reservists don't count for anything if they're overrun while mobilising and disorganising. Besides, I doubt Turkey could ever hold Iran, Bulgaria and Greece at the same time. And you missed one rather important thing about the field of operations; one which will, if it works, probably cost you the war.

No nation has won a two-front war in modern warfare, Turkey is no exception.

If I could get Italy, Greek rebels and Bulgaria to push from the west, and you and the Armenian rebels (Which many operate in eastern Turkey and have huge claims), Turkey would be very likely lose, and the world is not very pro-Turkey right now.

[Ptolemais]

If you actually want to look at the facts, India doesn't make up that much of China's exports, even less so 10 Years before now. The same thing applies to the United States. Attacking India would be like losing 1 dollar out of 100 dollars, saying it would "ruin the global economy" is quite an overestimation. Your Greater India is divided between Indians, Pakistani, and Bangladeshi, if the latter two were guaranteed independence it would quickly turn sour as rebels supported the invading forces.

Turkey doesn't need to send anything past Iran's borders, China and the U.S. would get wet for the idea of hegemony over India (most likely it would end up divided in two).

I think you're downplaing the economic consequences as trade doesn't just stop, your industrial capacity gets tanked by needing to run a war economy as well as just being razed in general.

The real problem with China or US going to war with India would be the sheer amount of physical damage, particularly with China. A land war between China and India would be the worst conflict the world has EVER seen, particularly if both were determined. It would probably go nuclear, but assuming it didn't the sheer amount of bodies those two countries could throw at eachother is essentially unlimited. It would be one of the greatest mistakes in human history.

To be clear, nobody would want a land war between China and India. I don't think China cares enough about you Turkey to do such a thing, particularly since China and India are good friends.

[Rephesus]

China would never invade India, their economy would be screwed and they'd lose more men than if they invaded every other neighbour they have. Plus who wants to fight in the Himalayas? The US would never attack India, that would ruin the global economy, and they'd lose almost every man they sent in. India is one of the strongest nations in the world right now.

Turkey, doesn't have the power projection to attack anything past Iran's borders, which I have no intention of defending anyway.

If you actually want to look at the facts, India doesn't make up that much of China's exports, even less so 10 Years before now. The same thing applies to the United States. Attacking India would be like losing 1 dollar out of 100 dollars, saying it would "ruin the global economy" is quite an overestimation. Your Greater India is divided between Indians, Pakistani, and Bangladeshi, if the latter two were guaranteed independence it would quickly turn sour as rebels supported the invading forces.

Turkey doesn't need to send anything past Iran's borders, China and the U.S. would get wet for the idea of hegemony over India (most likely it would end up divided in two).

Since when have you abided by RL stats? A unified India is significantly stronger than a divided one, with Burma, Bangladesh, Pakistan and Sri Lanka, India easily outnumbers Turkey close to 15:1. We might just go liberate Greece while we are at it.

What do you say, powers of the free world? Does Greece deserve self-determination?

[Lunas Legion]

If you actually want to look at the facts, India doesn't make up that much of China's exports, even less so 10 Years before now. The same thing applies to the United States. Attacking India would be like losing 1 dollar out of 100 dollars, saying it would "ruin the global economy" is quite an overestimation. Your Greater India is divided between Indians, Pakistani, and Bangladeshi, if the latter two were guaranteed independence it would quickly turn sour as rebels supported the invading forces.

Turkey doesn't need to send anything past Iran's borders, China and the U.S. would get wet for the idea of hegemony over India (most likely it would end up divided in two).

Since when have you abided by RL stats? A unified India is significantly stronger than a divided one, with Burma, Bangladesh, Pakistan and Sri Lanka, India easily outnumbers Turkey close to 15:1. We might just go liberate Greece while we are at it.

What do you say, powers of the free world? Does Greece deserve self-determination?

Of course Greece does. Ditto for the Kurds and whatever other ethnic minorities exist in Turkey.

[Bolkania]

Yes, Greece must of Kebabish removal... and the Kurds, and eastern Turkey to go back to Armenia, and for Constantinople to be made into an eastern Vatican...

[Rephesus]

Might go and Balkanize Turkey. Make Istanbul a city-state, split up the east and west, drops some bombs, let the Albanians massacre them back without consequence, etc.

[Rephesus]

Yes, Greece must of Kebabish removal... and the Kurds, and eastern Turkey to go back to Armenia, and for Constantinople to be made into an eastern Vatican...

'Eastern Vatican'? That's a bit much, considering it's massive muslim population

[Bolkania]

Yes, Greece must of Kebabish removal... and the Kurds, and eastern Turkey to go back to Armenia, and for Constantinople to be made into an eastern Vatican...

'Eastern Vatican'? That's a bit much, considering it's massive muslim population

Oh, and I forgot the Albanians...

Well, REMOVE ALL KEBAB:

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[Lunas Legion]

Might go and Balkanize Turkey. Make Istanbul a city-state, split up the east and west, drops some bombs, let the Albanians massacre them back without consequence, etc.

Yus. No one actually needs Turkey for anything but the Bosphorus.

And it appears Turkey is also conveniently ignoring that a third of his natural gas comes from Iran, since we still have nearly all of our gas fields.

[Doitsu-san]

Let them make their way through the thousands of Turkish reservists called up, and Italian reinforcements that would quickly be sent to Thrace.

I love this, it is developing into a 3 in 1 deal! What a great value!

Reservists don't count for anything if they're overrun while mobilising and organising. Besides, I doubt Turkey could ever hold Iran, Bulgaria and Greece at the same time. And you missed one rather important thing about the field of operations; one which will, if it works, probably cost you the war.

The same logic applies to your a million or so reservists, I will break your lines before you can even hope to wield a force against Turkey. Unless Bulgaria attacks within the half-of-an IC page or so, I will have the home front locked down tightly.

Hopefully Italy will join in on this war as well, if he ever even posts in the IC

[Lunas Legion]

Reservists don't count for anything if they're overrun while mobilising and organising. Besides, I doubt Turkey could ever hold Iran, Bulgaria and Greece at the same time. And you missed one rather important thing about the field of operations; one which will, if it works, probably cost you the war.

The same logic applies to your a million or so reservists, I will break your lines before you can even hope to wield a force against Turkey. Unless Bulgaria attacks within the half-of-an IC page or so, I will have the home front locked down tightly.

Hopefully Italy will join in on this war as well, if he ever even posts in the IC

You have to cover a lot more area to hit Iran's reserves than Bulgaria does to hit yours.

[Bolkania]

Might go and Balkanize Turkey. Make Istanbul a city-state, split up the east and west, drops some bombs, let the Albanians massacre them back without consequence, etc.

Yus. No one actually needs Turkey for anything but the Bosphorus.

And it appears Turkey is also conveniently ignoring that a third of his natural gas comes from Iran, since we still have nearly all of our gas fields.

And I'm pretty sure that all it's liquid fuels and gas came from Azerbaijan, which is now Iran?

Turkey can not into happiness.

[Puerto Tyranus]

Yes, Greece must of Kebabish removal... and the Kurds, and eastern Turkey to go back to Armenia, and for Constantinople to be made into an eastern Vatican...

'Eastern Vatican'? That's a bit much, considering it's massive muslim population

Switzerland could get behind another Vatican, so long as this one also hires Swiss mercenaries and provides for them and their immediate family for life.

[Doitsu-san]

The same logic applies to your a million or so reservists, I will break your lines before you can even hope to wield a force against Turkey. Unless Bulgaria attacks within the half-of-an IC page or so, I will have the home front locked down tightly.

Hopefully Italy will join in on this war as well, if he ever even posts in the IC

You have to cover a lot more area to hit Iran's reserves than Bulgaria does to hit yours.

Most of the reserves are located in Anatolia, I could see Bulgaria taking Istanbul, Albania, and Greece in a war, but it could never reach Anatolia with the Turkish Navy and Air Force in place.

[Lunas Legion]

You have to cover a lot more area to hit Iran's reserves than Bulgaria does to hit yours.

Most of the reserves are located in Anatolia, I could see Bulgaria taking Istanbul, Albania, and Greece in a war, but it could never reach Anatolia with the Turkish Navy and Air Force in place.

You'd lose Istanbul. The hit to national pride and morale would be massive.

[Ptolemais]

Well, if Turkey is going to revive the Ottoman Empire, I guess I should bring back the Viking Age! Vikings with destroyers and nukes!

[Sabara]

Well, if Turkey is going to revive the Ottoman Empire, I guess I should bring back the Viking Age! Vikings with destroyers and nukes!

Yes! And I should go back to the Empire of Japan and go back to rape Korea and China! Yeah!

[Bolkania]

Well, if Turkey is going to revive the Ottoman Empire, I guess I should bring back the Viking Age! Vikings with destroyers and nukes!

Mongols would be bad ass, and perhaps we could use some mammoth-cavalry?

[Doitsu-san]

Most of the reserves are located in Anatolia, I could see Bulgaria taking Istanbul, Albania, and Greece in a war, but it could never reach Anatolia with the Turkish Navy and Air Force in place.

You'd lose Istanbul. The hit to national pride and morale would be massive.

Istanbul was lost in the War of Independence, it was eventually retaken.

Ankara, Adana, Konya, I have cities that are just as important as Istanbul, assuming that Bulgaria has had Thrace for a while Istanbul has probably declined majorly in practical importance, it being so vulnerable now.

[Sabara]

You'd lose Istanbul. The hit to national pride and morale would be massive.

Istanbul was lost in the War of Independence, it was eventually retaken.

Ankara, Adana, Konya, I have cities that are just as important as Istanbul, assuming that Bulgaria has had Thrace for a while Istanbul has probably declined majorly in practical importance, it being so vulnerable now.

This is not the War of Independence. This is the modern. era.

[Doitsu-san]

Istanbul was lost in the War of Independence, it was eventually retaken.

Ankara, Adana, Konya, I have cities that are just as important as Istanbul, assuming that Bulgaria has had Thrace for a while Istanbul has probably declined majorly in practical importance, it being so vulnerable now.

This is not the War of Independence. This is the modern. era.

Yes, I was using the comparison to show that the Turkish people can survive without Istanbul, and Turkey was in much worse straits (no pun intended) during the War of Independence.

[Bolkania]

You'd lose Istanbul. The hit to national pride and morale would be massive.

Istanbul was lost in the War of Independence, it was eventually retaken.

Ankara, Adana, Konya, I have cities that are just as important as Istanbul, assuming that Bulgaria has had Thrace for a while Istanbul has probably declined majorly in practical importance, it being so vulnerable now.

Most of Turkey's financial sector is stationed in Istanbul, so losing it for any amount of time would devastate Turkey's economy. Any attack on western Turkey also would shatter the tourist industry that in the 90s was picking up speed, as those new shiny hotels could not match new MiG-29FCs.

[Doitsu-san]

Istanbul was lost in the War of Independence, it was eventually retaken.

Ankara, Adana, Konya, I have cities that are just as important as Istanbul, assuming that Bulgaria has had Thrace for a while Istanbul has probably declined majorly in practical importance, it being so vulnerable now.

Most of Turkey's financial sector is stationed in Istanbul, so losing it for any amount of time would devastate Turkey's economy. Any attack on western Turkey also would shatter the tourist industry that in the 90s was picking up speed, as those new shiny hotels could not match new MiG-29FCs.

Yes, it would devastate Turkey's economy. However, it also provides you with a couple million angry anti-Bulgarians to deal with, and you'll be at war with Italy and the United States of America.

If you intend to invade Turkey though, do it. I've wanted to annex Southern Bulgaria and I won't even have to attack you for it.

[The Emerald Dragon]

Screw it, international relations are a bust.

Time to become Non-Aligned.

Normally that's not a bad idea, but when you're at war that's very unintelligible.

I'm no longer AT war.

[Rephesus]

Most of Turkey's financial sector is stationed in Istanbul, so losing it for any amount of time would devastate Turkey's economy. Any attack on western Turkey also would shatter the tourist industry that in the 90s was picking up speed, as those new shiny hotels could not match new MiG-29FCs.

Yes, it would devastate Turkey's economy. However, it also provides you with a couple million angry anti-Bulgarians to deal with, and you'll be at war with Italy and the United States of America.

If you intend to invade Turkey though, do it. I've wanted to annex Southern Bulgaria and I won't even have to attack you for it.

The USA won't go to war with India, Eastern Europe, the Catholic world (Yes, france would back this) and Arabia over Ba'athist Turkey.