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Enrico Dandolo
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Charles XII of Sweden
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Leonidas of Sparta
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Louisa Bourbon
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Bill Clinton
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Total votes : 11

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Decius
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Postby Decius » Mon May 12, 2014 8:30 am

The Jonathanian States wrote:
Decius wrote:Reich is another name for Empire so in a sense in combining its Reich's Germany has had the longest Empire in history. And therefore can also be regarded as one of the greatest Empire's. The German Empire made the French Empire look like a bunch of farmers with pitchforks. Their navy, army, economy, industry, and political power were all greater and better than that of Napoleon's Empire. It was also bigger. Though the largest Empires are either Britain or Rome.

Stop. Nope, that statement is simply false, as any native speaker of German can confirm. Reich means more something like "Realm", the fact that the 1st and 2nd Reichs both were empires is unrelated to that.
The simply proof for that is that the so-called Weimar Republic (the german state between 1919 and 1939) was officially called "Das Deutsches Reich" too, without having an emperor.

Let me complete that for you. In combining its Reichs, one takes multiple states which except for geographical location are mostly unrelated (regardless of what they may claim).... .....which could be equally done by adding the ancient french kingdom to the empire before and after. And bam, the french empire lasted quite a lot longer.
The "De Geneve" family managed to hold their grip of Geneva for more or less the whole middle ages. Does that make them the greatest family/dynasty of the middle ages? Before you answer, the answer to this is the same as the answer to what this replies. Considering the enemies of Napoleon at Jena were Germans, this statement is false. Should this argument be dropped due to him not having fought the German empire, any attempt at comparison is invalid, as the two states never fought each other as empires. Both got beat up by the Brits? Check. Napoleon marched through Berlin, the German Empire didn't march through Paris: Check. I definitely require a source for that. Considering Industrialization/the industrial revolution happened after Napoleon's empire, any attempt at making a comparison on this lane is inherently inaccurate. I'll have to ask how you measure that, and/or source. See the individual parts.Here's a definite nope. Let's ignore the Khan who's lands went from sea to sea, yeah...

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Now that's what I call a colorful rebuttal.


Actually the Third Reich marched through Paris and held it for what two or three years. And just how long did it take Napoleon's Grand Armee to fall apart, a year or so. It took four years before the German Empire was pushed onto the defensive in World War 1.
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Postby Zentrut » Mon May 12, 2014 8:33 am

France
First Reich
Remember, the light green in France is satellite states, Asturias and many Western Slavs were tributaries of the Carolingian Empire.
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Decius
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Postby Decius » Mon May 12, 2014 8:35 am

Wasn't the RP supposed to start today
"My enemies are many, My equals are none."
-Napoleon Bonaparte, First Emperor of France

"Our enemies are many, Our equals are none."
-Motto of the Glorious Fourth German Reich of Decius

LONG LIVE THE FOURTH REICH! HEIL TO THE KAISER!

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Zentrut
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Postby Zentrut » Mon May 12, 2014 8:36 am

Decius wrote:Wasn't the RP supposed to start today

Today is still today for twelve and a half hours for some of us…

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Nuxipal
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Postby Nuxipal » Mon May 12, 2014 9:18 am

Zentrut wrote:
Decius wrote:Wasn't the RP supposed to start today

Today is still today for twelve and a half hours for some of us…


Don't worry.. we all are anxious to start. I would estimate it will be sometime in the afternoon hours when the IC thread is posted.
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North Yakistan
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Postby North Yakistan » Mon May 12, 2014 9:54 am

Decius wrote:
The Jonathanian States wrote:Stop. Nope, that statement is simply false, as any native speaker of German can confirm. Reich means more something like "Realm", the fact that the 1st and 2nd Reichs both were empires is unrelated to that.
The simply proof for that is that the so-called Weimar Republic (the german state between 1919 and 1939) was officially called "Das Deutsches Reich" too, without having an emperor.

Let me complete that for you. In combining its Reichs, one takes multiple states which except for geographical location are mostly unrelated (regardless of what they may claim).... .....which could be equally done by adding the ancient french kingdom to the empire before and after. And bam, the french empire lasted quite a lot longer.
The "De Geneve" family managed to hold their grip of Geneva for more or less the whole middle ages. Does that make them the greatest family/dynasty of the middle ages? Before you answer, the answer to this is the same as the answer to what this replies. Considering the enemies of Napoleon at Jena were Germans, this statement is false. Should this argument be dropped due to him not having fought the German empire, any attempt at comparison is invalid, as the two states never fought each other as empires. Both got beat up by the Brits? Check. Napoleon marched through Berlin, the German Empire didn't march through Paris: Check. I definitely require a source for that. Considering Industrialization/the industrial revolution happened after Napoleon's empire, any attempt at making a comparison on this lane is inherently inaccurate. I'll have to ask how you measure that, and/or source. See the individual parts.Here's a definite nope. Let's ignore the Khan who's lands went from sea to sea, yeah...

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Now that's what I call a colorful rebuttal.


Actually the Third Reich marched through Paris and held it for what two or three years. And just how long did it take Napoleon's Grand Armee to fall apart, a year or so. It took four years before the German Empire was pushed onto the defensive in World War 1.


I am an ethnic German of Wurttenburger and Aleman Swiss decent, and I am proud of my people to the core, but your not showing much historical knowledge here. The German armies (plural, the "German army never existed until 1918) on the western front went on the defensive after the Marne in 1914 and with the exception of Verdun generaly took a defensive stance in the West until the great offensives of 1918.

I love my people but its important to know the truth. Plus before you bash Napoleon remember he rolled through Germany and took Berlin.
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Pro:Free Markets, Free people, Free love, property rights, privacy rights, weapons rights, Survivalism, Homesteading, Seasteding, Micronations, self ownership, non-Agression principal, and pAnarchism.

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The Jonathanian States
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Postby The Jonathanian States » Mon May 12, 2014 9:56 am

Decius wrote:
The Jonathanian States wrote:Stop. Nope, that statement is simply false, as any native speaker of German can confirm. Reich means more something like "Realm", the fact that the 1st and 2nd Reichs both were empires is unrelated to that.
The simply proof for that is that the so-called Weimar Republic (the german state between 1919 and 1939) was officially called "Das Deutsches Reich" too, without having an emperor.

Let me complete that for you. In combining its Reichs, one takes multiple states which except for geographical location are mostly unrelated (regardless of what they may claim).... .....which could be equally done by adding the ancient french kingdom to the empire before and after. And bam, the french empire lasted quite a lot longer.
The "De Geneve" family managed to hold their grip of Geneva for more or less the whole middle ages. Does that make them the greatest family/dynasty of the middle ages? Before you answer, the answer to this is the same as the answer to what this replies. Considering the enemies of Napoleon at Jena were Germans, this statement is false. Should this argument be dropped due to him not having fought the German empire, any attempt at comparison is invalid, as the two states never fought each other as empires. Both got beat up by the Brits? Check. Napoleon marched through Berlin, the German Empire didn't march through Paris: Check. I definitely require a source for that. Considering Industrialization/the industrial revolution happened after Napoleon's empire, any attempt at making a comparison on this lane is inherently inaccurate. I'll have to ask how you measure that, and/or source. See the individual parts.Here's a definite nope. Let's ignore the Khan who's lands went from sea to sea, yeah...

EDIT:
Now that's what I call a colorful rebuttal.


Actually the Third Reich marched through Paris and held it for what two or three years. And just how long did it take Napoleon's Grand Armee to fall apart, a year or so. It took four years before the German Empire was pushed onto the defensive in World War 1.

Not on my PC, so I'll answer using only bold and underlining.
Bold part: You were talking about the German empire. The German Empire=Second Reich.
For this comparison the Third Reich is completely irrelevant. Also, Napoleon did not lead a fascist-totalitarian state, so there's that.
Underlines part:
As said, I'm mobile so I can't check. But unlike the WWI Imperial German armies, his army was notting in a trench 20 miles from the border or railway ensuring perfect logistics. Also, I'm not even sure that the Grande Armee collapsed that fast.
Last part: the above to the underlined part. More will come once I'm on a PC.
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Zentrut
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Postby Zentrut » Mon May 12, 2014 9:58 am

I feel like I have to point out that there wasn't a Germany when Napoleon was around.

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New Strausberg
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Postby New Strausberg » Mon May 12, 2014 9:59 am

Stalin: goes to sleep
Richard: trains
Leonidas: beats the crap out of Richard to help him train.

What do all of these people have in common

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North Yakistan
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Postby North Yakistan » Mon May 12, 2014 10:01 am

Zentrut wrote:I feel like I have to point out that there wasn't a Germany when Napoleon was around.

Correct, there was "the Germanies"
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Pro:Free Markets, Free people, Free love, property rights, privacy rights, weapons rights, Survivalism, Homesteading, Seasteding, Micronations, self ownership, non-Agression principal, and pAnarchism.

Against: The State, Marxism, Communism, State Capitalism, Taxation, Victimless crimes, the initiation of force, and urbanization.

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Postby North Yakistan » Mon May 12, 2014 10:02 am

New Strausberg wrote:Stalin: goes to sleep
Richard: trains
Leonidas: beats the crap out of Richard to help him train.

What do all of these people have in common


They all have I's in their name
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Pro:Free Markets, Free people, Free love, property rights, privacy rights, weapons rights, Survivalism, Homesteading, Seasteding, Micronations, self ownership, non-Agression principal, and pAnarchism.

Against: The State, Marxism, Communism, State Capitalism, Taxation, Victimless crimes, the initiation of force, and urbanization.

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Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.92
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Postby New Strausberg » Mon May 12, 2014 10:05 am

North Yakistan wrote:
New Strausberg wrote:Stalin: goes to sleep
Richard: trains
Leonidas: beats the crap out of Richard to help him train.

What do all of these people have in common


They all have I's in their name

Correct that and an a

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Postby Nuxipal » Mon May 12, 2014 10:14 am

New Strausberg wrote:
North Yakistan wrote:
They all have I's in their name

Correct that and an a


and an I
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Postby New Strausberg » Mon May 12, 2014 10:16 am

Nuxipal wrote:
New Strausberg wrote:Correct that and an a


and an I

That was already said.

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Zentrut
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Postby Zentrut » Mon May 12, 2014 10:16 am

New Strausberg wrote:Stalin: goes to sleep
Richard: trains
Leonidas: beats the crap out of Richard to help him train.

What do all of these people have in common

They were all subpar rulers history remembers as great?
Nuxipal wrote:
New Strausberg wrote:Correct that and an a


and an I

Oh and this.

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Postby Nuxipal » Mon May 12, 2014 10:20 am

New Strausberg wrote:
Nuxipal wrote:
and an I

That was already said.

thought that was a lower case "L" first. I instinctively put the "i" as upper case. The point I was going to hopefully get to eventually was that Stalin doesn't have a "d" so he can't get laid.
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Postby New Strausberg » Mon May 12, 2014 10:21 am

Nuxipal wrote:
New Strausberg wrote:That was already said.

thought that was a lower case "L" first. I instinctively put the "i" as upper case. The point I was going to hopefully get to eventually was that Stalin doesn't have a "d" so he can't get laid.


You know he had children right 2 sons and a daughter soooo...your statement is invalid.

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Postby Zentrut » Mon May 12, 2014 10:24 am

New Strausberg wrote:
Nuxipal wrote:thought that was a lower case "L" first. I instinctively put the "i" as upper case. The point I was going to hopefully get to eventually was that Stalin doesn't have a "d" so he can't get laid.


You know he had children right 2 sons and a daughter soooo...your statement is invalid.

Isn't the daughter still alive?

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Postby New Strausberg » Mon May 12, 2014 10:25 am

Zentrut wrote:
New Strausberg wrote:
You know he had children right 2 sons and a daughter soooo...your statement is invalid.

Isn't the daughter still alive?

I think so

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Postby Zentrut » Mon May 12, 2014 10:31 am

New Strausberg wrote:
Zentrut wrote:Isn't the daughter still alive?

I think so

Call her on the phone at school.

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Postby North Yakistan » Mon May 12, 2014 10:32 am

New Strausberg wrote:
Zentrut wrote:Isn't the daughter still alive?

I think so


Lab baby's, Stalin had no D
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I am a Voluntarist Anarchist. Break your chains and smash the state!

Pro:Free Markets, Free people, Free love, property rights, privacy rights, weapons rights, Survivalism, Homesteading, Seasteding, Micronations, self ownership, non-Agression principal, and pAnarchism.

Against: The State, Marxism, Communism, State Capitalism, Taxation, Victimless crimes, the initiation of force, and urbanization.

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Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.92
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Postby New Strausberg » Mon May 12, 2014 10:32 am

Zentrut wrote:
New Strausberg wrote:I think so

Call her on the phone at school.

Not happening

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Postby Zentrut » Mon May 12, 2014 10:33 am

New Strausberg wrote:
Zentrut wrote:Call her on the phone at school.

Not happening

Do eet!

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Postby New Strausberg » Mon May 12, 2014 10:33 am

Zentrut wrote:
New Strausberg wrote:Not happening

Do eet!

No

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Postby Zentrut » Mon May 12, 2014 10:35 am

New Strausberg wrote:
Zentrut wrote:Do eet!

No

Why not? Napoleon can call Hollande and say he's disappointed.

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