1938: A Prelude to War (Reboot/OOC/Open)

[Epraria]

So Garwall shall we stay out of the Spanish-American war or not?

[Doitsu-san]

So Garwall shall we stay out of the Spanish-American war or not?

You both would get masses of territory in America. We could defeat America easily if we unified.

[Epraria]

So Garwall shall we stay out of the Spanish-American war or not?

You both would get masses of territory in America. We could defeat America easily if we unified.

Except for one thing. The USN.

[Garwall]

So Garwall shall we stay out of the Spanish-American war or not?

You both would get masses of territory in America. We could defeat America easily if we unified.

Honestly, that's doubtful at best. America has a huge population, strong industrial base, and has the added benefit of being separated from Europe, severely limiting our operational effectiveness against them. The most effective operations Russia could take would be an invasion of Alaska, possibly Hawaii if the Spanish Pacific fleet provides support, but anything further would be a major stretch.

[Doitsu-san]

You both would get masses of territory in America. We could defeat America easily if we unified.

Except for one thing. The USN.

The Spanish Navy is just as powerful. If we added the Qing, Russian, and Germany navies we could swat their fleet like a fly. You do realize that America is going to invade China when it can, it is better to unite against it now than have to deal with it individually later.

[Epraria]

You both would get masses of territory in America. We could defeat America easily if we unified.

Honestly, that's doubtful at best. America has a huge population, strong industrial base, and has the added benefit of being separated from Europe, severely limiting our operational effectiveness against them. The most effective operations Russia could take would be an invasion of Alaska, possibly Hawaii if the Spanish Pacific fleet provides support, but anything further would be a major stretch.

That's essentially what i'm thinking to. I could easily make the Philippines a nightmare for the US but anything other than taking Hawaii would be a stretch and Hawaii is already doubtful.

[Garwall]

Except for one thing. The USN.

The Spanish Navy is just as powerful. If we added the Qing, Russian, and Germany navies we could swat their fleet like a fly. You do realize that America is going to invade China when it can, it is better to unite against it now than have to deal with it individually later.

Making the Spanish navy as powerful as the USN is rather god-moddy, simply because Spain cannot support a comparable navy due to the higher population and industry of the US.

The best we could do is probably just trying to take Hawaii and Alaska while the USN is engaged elsewhere, and sue for a white peace so Spain could maintain Cuba. Unless the Spanish army can score some sort of operational victory on the mainland while the US is not in total war mode, and force some sort of territorial concession. But the chances of that happening are low.

[Doitsu-san]

The Spanish Navy is just as powerful. If we added the Qing, Russian, and Germany navies we could swat their fleet like a fly. You do realize that America is going to invade China when it can, it is better to unite against it now than have to deal with it individually later.

Making the Spanish navy as powerful as the USN is rather god-moddy, simply because Spain cannot support a comparable navy due to the higher population and industry of the US.

I am not going to argue about this further. I see you are dead set on not uniting against a threat now and removing it from the game, when the World War breaks out and America sides with the Allies against us, it will be remembered that we could have drove them into a surrender here.

Hopefully Germany and Columbia are willing to fight this threat.

[Epraria]

Except for one thing. The USN.

The Spanish Navy is just as powerful. If we added the Qing, Russian, and Germany navies we could swat their fleet like a fly. You do realize that America is going to invade China when it can, it is better to unite against it now than have to deal with it individually later.

Yes because invading China is such a good idea. It's not like i have a much larger manpower poll and am allied to the other giant in Asia, Russia.
Also:

[Garwall]

In other news, the world is completely filled in!

Added a shit-ton of NPC's to fill in what's left, and changed the color of some nations to better differentiate different nations. Expanded the territory of a few places as well.

[Lunas Legion]

The Spanish Navy is just as powerful. If we added the Qing, Russian, and Germany navies we could swat their fleet like a fly. You do realize that America is going to invade China when it can, it is better to unite against it now than have to deal with it individually later.

Yes because invading China is such a good idea. It's not like i have a much larger manpower poll and am allied to the other giant in Asia, Russia.
Also:

Invading China would be Vietnam, but much, much larger.

And we still need to deal with Colombia and its stupid occupation of Japan.

[Doitsu-san]

The Spanish Navy is just as powerful. If we added the Qing, Russian, and Germany navies we could swat their fleet like a fly. You do realize that America is going to invade China when it can, it is better to unite against it now than have to deal with it individually later.

Yes because invading China is such a good idea. It's not like i have a much larger manpower poll and am allied to the other giant in Asia, Russia.
Also:

It may not happen now, but it will happen. They will most likely utilize the rebel groups in Qing to assist them. Pretending that everything will be fine and dandy in the future is laughable, that's the very mistake America made until Pearl Harbor.

[Lunas Legion]

Yes because invading China is such a good idea. It's not like i have a much larger manpower poll and am allied to the other giant in Asia, Russia.
Also:

It may not happen now, but it will happen. They will most likely utilize the rebel groups in Qing to assist them. Pretending that everything will be fine and dandy in the future is laughable, that's the very mistake America made until Pearl Harbor.

As soon as the US invades China, they're done for. Nothing unites a nation like a invading foreign power.

[Garwall]

Wait, Lunas; what nation are you?

[Epraria]

In other news, the world is completely filled in!

Added a shit-ton of NPC's to fill in what's left, and changed the color of some nations to better differentiate different nations. Expanded the territory of a few places as well.

How did the Columbians gain Jeju from Korea?

Lunas legion: I still need to know how the English could take one of Spain most valuable colonies when Spain was still very strong so easily?

[Lunas Legion]

Wait, Lunas; what nation are you?

No one. I lost the Middle East to someone, and now there aren't any nations left that can make a major impact.

[Doitsu-san]

It may not happen now, but it will happen. They will most likely utilize the rebel groups in Qing to assist them. Pretending that everything will be fine and dandy in the future is laughable, that's the very mistake America made until Pearl Harbor.

As soon as the US invades China, they're done for. Nothing unites a nation like a invading foreign power.

The U.S. would only need to occupy the coast to take over anything valuable in China. They would use their naval superiority and would easily be able to hold it.

We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. The U.S. goal is stated, a global revolution, if we do not take them out here we are all damned.

[Lunas Legion]

In other news, the world is completely filled in!

Added a shit-ton of NPC's to fill in what's left, and changed the color of some nations to better differentiate different nations. Expanded the territory of a few places as well.

How did the Columbians gain Jeju from Korea?

Lunas legion: I still need to know how the English could take one of Spain most valuable colonies when Spain was still very strong so easily?

Francis Drake was extremely successful in sinking almost all of Spain's treasure fleets and Spain fell into debt, the Aztecs were competent In fighting back against the Conquestadors, massed internal rebellions, or something similarly bullsh**y.

[Epraria]

As soon as the US invades China, they're done for. Nothing unites a nation like a invading foreign power.

The U.S. would only need to occupy the coast to take over anything valuable in China. They would use their naval superiority and would easily be able to hold it.

We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. The U.S. goal is stated, a global revolution, if we do not take them out here we are all damned.

Except this China is by far a lot stronger than the squandering ramble that was the Chinese warlords. Seriously this China is modernized and united.

[Garwall]

In other news, the world is completely filled in!

Added a shit-ton of NPC's to fill in what's left, and changed the color of some nations to better differentiate different nations. Expanded the territory of a few places as well.

How did the Columbians gain Jeju from Korea?

Lunas legion: I still need to know how the English could take one of Spain most valuable colonies when Spain was still very strong so easily?

Was like that from the start, IIRC. Nobody really complained about it.

[Garwall]

Wait, Lunas; what nation are you?

No one. I lost the Middle East to someone, and now there aren't any nations left that can make a major impact.

I can give you British India--I believe the UK wants to drop its major colonial possessions.

Or take Finland, so I have someone to invade.

[Doitsu-san]

The U.S. would only need to occupy the coast to take over anything valuable in China. They would use their naval superiority and would easily be able to hold it.

We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. The U.S. goal is stated, a global revolution, if we do not take them out here we are all damned.

Except this China is by far a lot stronger than the squandering ramble that was the Chinese warlords. Seriously this China is modernized and united.

Japan was just as modernized and united, it had just as good of a fleet as the U.S., it even had more people. It still lost to the United States.

[Epraria]

Except this China is by far a lot stronger than the squandering ramble that was the Chinese warlords. Seriously this China is modernized and united.

Japan was just as modernized and united, it had just as good of a fleet as the U.S., it even had more people. It still lost to the United States.

Japan lost a naval war. China is much different beast. China has larger resources, Isn't as overstretched and has accesses to the world's largest population.

[Garwall]

Except this China is by far a lot stronger than the squandering ramble that was the Chinese warlords. Seriously this China is modernized and united.

Japan was just as modernized and united, it had just as good of a fleet as the U.S., it even had more people. It still lost to the United States.

Japan didn't have more people, and it had a smaller industry. The United States had the largest industrial sector in the world during WWII.

[Epraria]

How did the Columbians gain Jeju from Korea?

Lunas legion: I still need to know how the English could take one of Spain most valuable colonies when Spain was still very strong so easily?

Was like that from the start, IIRC. Nobody really complained about it.

Jeju wasn't in his claims. He would also need a good reason for taking it as the Koreans where under Qing protection and still are in this RP.