1938: A Prelude to War (Reboot/OOC/Open)

[Epraria]

Eh no. They never beat China. China held out for 8 years when China was a backwards country that had been ravaged by warlordism and civil war. Japan never established full control over China and they never would have.

They didn't beat them, but gave them and the CPC a hell of a lot of casualties and loss of land.

Again that was when China was nowhere near modernized and had been ravaged by civil war and warlordism for years. This never happened though so yeah...
To quote napoleon: "China is a sleeping giant. Let her sleep, for when she wakes she will move the world"

[Lunas Legion]

US entry into the war was a negligible factor. Soviets had the Germans beaten after Fall Blau failed, long before US entry into the European front.

And if the US had not entered the war at normandy or italy, Russia would have had to deal with more then just the German soldiers sent east. Germany would have been able to fight back with more men then they did. Devout most of their attention towards Russia, not to the west waiting for the huge assault.

@Doitsu, however none of those things did happen. why are we even arguing this point. lol

No. Us Brits had the Germans out of Africa after El Alamein, and Italy was negated by the RN blockade. And Germany would have to send forces in Italy anyway; Monty would have been fully able to take on Italy without Patton, and tie up German forces while the threat of D-Day would have still kept German forces to the Atlantic/N. Sea coast.

Germany, quite simply, didn't have the manpower or industrial power to take on Russia.

Or the oil, for that matter.

[Marsisian]

They didn't beat them, but gave them and the CPC a hell of a lot of casualties and loss of land.

Again that was when China was nowhere near modernized and had been ravaged by civil war and warlordism for years. This never happened though so yeah...
To quote napoleon: "China is a sleeping giant. Let her sleep, for when she wakes she will move the world"

Still, you're doing attrition. At your rate, we're going to fall in the year 3923.

[Amarian]

Canada, you're gonna help the Japanese, Australians, and us in Japan, right?

as much as possible, yes indeed. however, it will take time for the Canadian military to get to full preparedness.

[Epraria]

Again that was when China was nowhere near modernized and had been ravaged by civil war and warlordism for years. This never happened though so yeah...
To quote napoleon: "China is a sleeping giant. Let her sleep, for when she wakes she will move the world"

Still, you're doing attrition. At your rate, we're going to fall in the year 3923.

Not really. I can just bombard you to submission and if it takes to long i might just ask Russia for help in an operation downfall type scenario. Especially after China has dealt with SEA asia and Russia with eastern Europe.

[Marsisian]

Canada, you're gonna help the Japanese, Australians, and us in Japan, right?

as much as possible, yes indeed. however, it will take time for the Canadian military to get to full preparedness.

Alright, that's good.

[Lunas Legion]

Still, you're doing attrition. At your rate, we're going to fall in the year 3923.

Not really. I can just bombard you to submission and if it takes to long i might just ask Russia for help in an operation downfall type scenario. Especially after China has dealt with SEA asia and Russia with eastern Europe.

Look at Shattered Citadel. Parts of it don't work due to tech differences, but it shows how China/Russia can take on Japan, Vietnam, the US, Indonesia, India and Australia/NZ at the same time and almost win.

[Zumreed]

Eh no. They never beat China. China held out for 8 years when China was a backwards country that had been ravaged by warlordism and civil war. Japan never established full control over China and they never would have.

They didn't beat them, but gave them and the CPC a hell of a lot of casualties and loss of land.

Japan would've had to throw all of it's resources into China, which won't work here because China is allied with good old Mother russia.

[Marsisian]

Not really. I can just bombard you to submission and if it takes to long i might just ask Russia for help in an operation downfall type scenario. Especially after China has dealt with SEA asia and Russia with eastern Europe.

Look at Shattered Citadel. Parts of it don't work due to tech differences, but it shows how China/Russia can take on Japan, Vietnam, the US, Indonesia, India and Australia/NZ at the same time and almost win.

Japan may fall, that is true, but at least we're going to get some Japanese soldiers out of there like the Polish and you're going to take so much losses it's not even funny.

[Epraria]

Look at Shattered Citadel. Parts of it don't work due to tech differences, but it shows how China/Russia can take on Japan, Vietnam, the US, Indonesia, India and Australia/NZ at the same time and almost win.

Japan may fall, that is true, but at least we're going to get some Japanese soldiers out of there like the Polish and you're going to take so much losses it's not even funny.

Eh. I have plenty more where that came from.

[Saragrossa]

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The Soviets outnumbered Allied Forces in Europe pretty much like 5/1. If the Soviets had never fought on the Eastern Front, Germany would be able to devote all it's troops to the West, which would be already devastating for the allies. Now imagine if the Soviets joined up with the Germans and decided to kill the Allies together. Now imagine if a fully modernized China with all it's inhabitants decided to join up with the Russians and Germans to kill the Allies. Now imagine if a colonial power (Spain) decided to join up with all these nations, allowing them to station their troops abroad near America and other Allied nations. Now you have the current scenario, and I believe things are way in favor of the Axis as of now.

Russia aren't as large a threat; they don't have the commanders or the equipment yet to be a credible threat to the Allies. Beyond the Baltic, Black and White Seas, their navy is of no importance.

And a fascist alliance never holds together; Germany and Russia may butt heads over Poland or Spain and Germany over France.

The entire russian logistic chain was american from airplanes to trucks to boots. Rail cards for their trains, etc was all American.

Second Everyone overestimates Germany's abilities.

Their tanks, airplanes were all inferior pre war to the allies, just they were able to pull off some great tactical geniuses at the commander and divisional level like rommel, guderian, etc.

Also the nazis were thiefs and stripped nations of their wealth and treasures to fuel their economy. They could never beat Russia since after year one they were on the verge of bankruptcy and they were trading works of art for monetary loans from the bush family and also liquidating assets of jews, gypsies, gays, allied communists, etc.

Nazi germany is a fluke of a nature and they did far too well for what they accomplished in terms of military conquest and they had alot of things go their way in the early days of the war.

[Lunas Legion]

Look at Shattered Citadel. Parts of it don't work due to tech differences, but it shows how China/Russia can take on Japan, Vietnam, the US, Indonesia, India and Australia/NZ at the same time and almost win.

Japan may fall, that is true, but at least we're going to get some Japanese soldiers out of there like the Polish and you're going to take so much losses it's not even funny.

Me? I'm ULIF; I won't take any losses at all.

You'll lose a lot more; Japanese industry, manpower/recruitment base (which is more than whatever Mexico/Australia can cobble together), technical expertise...

[Marsisian]

Japan may fall, that is true, but at least we're going to get some Japanese soldiers out of there like the Polish and you're going to take so much losses it's not even funny.

Eh. I have plenty more where that came from.

But the Russians.... I don't think their Far East forces do.

[Marsisian]

Japan may fall, that is true, but at least we're going to get some Japanese soldiers out of there like the Polish and you're going to take so much losses it's not even funny.

Me? I'm ULIF; I won't take any losses at all.

You'll lose a lot more; Japanese industry, manpower/recruitment base (which is more than whatever Mexico/Australia can cobble together), technical expertise...

Not you, the Russians.

[Lunas Legion]

Me? I'm ULIF; I won't take any losses at all.

You'll lose a lot more; Japanese industry, manpower/recruitment base (which is more than whatever Mexico/Australia can cobble together), technical expertise...

Not you, the Russians.

Russia and China can absorb losses; they don't have to give a flying s**t about losses unlike democracies.

[Epraria]

Eh. I have plenty more where that came from.

But the Russians.... I don't think their Far East forces do.

So? China has over 500,000,000 people. I'm pretty sure i can take some heavy casualties.

[Marsisian]

But the Russians.... I don't think their Far East forces do.

So? China has over 500,000,000 people. I'm pretty sure i can take some heavy casualties.

That is correct....

[Lunas Legion]

But the Russians.... I don't think their Far East forces do.

So? China has over 500,000,000 people. I'm pretty sure i can take some heavy casualties.

And Russia can always ship more in along the Trans-Siberian railway.

[Doitsu-san]

Russia aren't as large a threat; they don't have the commanders or the equipment yet to be a credible threat to the Allies. Beyond the Baltic, Black and White Seas, their navy is of no importance.

And a fascist alliance never holds together; Germany and Russia may butt heads over Poland or Spain and Germany over France.

The entire russian logistic chain was american from airplanes to trucks to boots. Rail cards for their trains, etc was all American.

Second Everyone overestimates Germany's abilities.

Their tanks, airplanes were all inferior pre war to the allies, just they were able to pull off some great tactical geniuses at the commander and divisional level like rommel, guderian, etc.

Also the nazis were thiefs and stripped nations of their wealth and treasures to fuel their economy. They could never beat Russia since after year one they were on the verge of bankruptcy and they were trading works of art for monetary loans from the bush family and also liquidating assets of jews, gypsies, gays, allied communists, etc.

Nazi germany is a fluke of a nature and they did far too well for what they accomplished in terms of military conquest and they had alot of things go their way in the early days of the war.

The simple solution is that China would fill in the industrial capacity-hole left by American lend-lease. We need not even control North America or Japan, acquiring Africa and the Middle East would destroy British and American wartime production, they cannot make tanks without oil or rubber.

[Sabara]

"Japan will endure the unendurable." -Hirohito

(Not the actual quote, but wutevs.

[Amarian]

what is the time scale? like one IRL=one day in the rp? or what?

[Marsisian]

what is the time scale? like one IRL=one day in the rp? or what?

No, you can timeskip a max of 1 week if you wish to, no time scale

[Amarian]

what is the time scale? like one IRL=one day in the rp? or what?

No, you can timeskip a max of 1 week if you wish to, no time scale

ok

[Doitsu-san]

"The Philippines can be seized quickly and with ease"...
Repeating the same old Japanese mistakes

[Marsisian]

"The Philippines can be seized quickly and with ease"...
Repeating the same old Japanese mistakes

*Cough*