1938: A Prelude to War (Reboot/OOC/Open)

[Marsisian]

Don't they have Patagonia and a lot of Bolivian and Peruvian land?

There is nothing worthwhile in Patagonia, not even a major city. Their lands in Bolivia are in the more-urbanized east, and Peru has mountains so I can give them that. All of their territories lack the thick, untamed, jungle of Eastern and Northern South America that proves vital to attrition warfare, though.

The main problem is that their lands are so damn thin from East to West.

Unlike Brazil, who can just chill out in the Amazon for a ton of time while the enemy gets ripped to shreds by diseases and snakes...

[Epraria]

Australia isn't exactly an industrial powerhouse and doesn't exactly have the population for that. They are also still all the way on the south of the Pacific while Japan is in the north.

You'll also note the fact that Japan has been preparing for this and has a number of Anti-Aircraft batteries.

Germany and Britain also had lots of preparations and AA batteries. Didn't stop cities on both sides to be reduced to rubble.
China is after all also prepared. Japan is at best going to be an annoyance.

[Sabara]

Siam will be using the following weapons:

Mauser C96 Pistol
Mauser Rifles
various German Machine Guns
Stahlhelms
Stick Grenades
Maybe German Tanks
Considering using "Japanese" ships and aircraft.

And what is this all for?

[Saragrossa]

Up until 1941 at least, but it has to be slightly worse in one area than the RL one due to producing it quicker.

sweeeet. and again i dont need to manufacture your equipment, canada has its own!

Well pre WW2 tech is pretty shitty and humans advance in war.

[Sabara]

You'll also note the fact that Japan has been preparing for this and has a number of Anti-Aircraft batteries.

Germany and Britain also had lots of preparations and AA batteries. Didn't stop cities on both sides to be reduced to rubble.
China is after all also prepared. Japan is at best going to be an annoyance.

Oh yeah, and our cities aren't all built of wood:P

[Lunas Legion]

Germany and Britain also had lots of preparations and AA batteries. Didn't stop cities on both sides to be reduced to rubble.
China is after all also prepared. Japan is at best going to be an annoyance.

Oh yeah, and our cities aren't all built of wood:P

*cough*Tokyofirebombing*cough*

[Epraria]

Germany and Britain also had lots of preparations and AA batteries. Didn't stop cities on both sides to be reduced to rubble.
China is after all also prepared. Japan is at best going to be an annoyance.

Oh yeah, and our cities aren't all built of wood:P

So what? Is that going to matter? The German and British cities weren't made of wood. All Japanese cities weren't made of wood. Your cities will still be a majority of wood though. Making it all the easier to burn them down.

[Sabara]

Oh yeah, and our cities aren't all built of wood:P

*cough*Tokyofirebombing*cough*

No, in this AltHistory they won't.

[Marsisian]

You'll also note the fact that Japan has been preparing for this and has a number of Anti-Aircraft batteries.

Germany and Britain also had lots of preparations and AA batteries. Didn't stop cities on both sides to be reduced to rubble.
China is after all also prepared. Japan is at best going to be an annoyance.

Well.... it's time for Sanderson to give a speech that summarizes us...

WINSTON CHURCHILL FTW

"I have, myself, full confidence that if all do their duty, if nothing is neglected, and if the best arrangements are made, as they are being made, we shall prove ourselves once more able to defend our island home, to ride out the storm of war, and to outlive the menace of tyranny, if necessary for years, if necessary alone. At any rate, that is what we are going to try to do. That is the resolve of His Majesty's Government – every man of them. That is the will of Parliament and the nation. The Columbian Empire and the Nihon Dominion, linked together in their cause and in their need, will defend to the death their native soil, aiding each other like good comrades to the utmost of their strength.

Even though large tracts of Asia as well as Europe and many old and famous States have fallen or may fall into the grip of the Chinese and Russian menace and all the odious apparatus of their rule, we shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in Japan, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender, and if, which I do not for a moment believe, this island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the Columbian Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God's good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old."

[Doitsu-san]

I wouldn't say Japan would be an "annoyance". The atom bombs were dropped for a reason, no one wanted to launch Operation Downfall.

But, I mean if the Russians and a Modernized Qing teamed up, they'd have the resources to launch an invasion. The Soviets were the only reason that the European Axis fell at all, really...

[Lunas Legion]

I wouldn't say Japan would be an "annoyance". The atom bombs were dropped for a reason, no one wanted to launch Operation Downfall.

But, I mean if the Russians and a Modernized Qing teamed up, they'd have the resources to launch an invasion. The Soviets were the only reason that the European Axis fell at all, really...

Yup. Soviets did a great deal of the killing and even more of the dying.

All the Western Allies did was destroy German industry via bombing and their panzerreservegruppen in the Battle of the Bulge.

[Amarian]

I wouldn't say Japan would be an "annoyance". The atom bombs were dropped for a reason, no one wanted to launch Operation Downfall.

But, I mean if the Russians and a Modernized Qing teamed up, they'd have the resources to launch an invasion. The Soviets were the only reason that the European Axis fell at all, really...

i believe sir, it was a combination of many things, one of them being the manufacturing abilities of the US, producing more then the enemy can.

[Lunas Legion]

I wouldn't say Japan would be an "annoyance". The atom bombs were dropped for a reason, no one wanted to launch Operation Downfall.

But, I mean if the Russians and a Modernized Qing teamed up, they'd have the resources to launch an invasion. The Soviets were the only reason that the European Axis fell at all, really...

i believe sir, it was a combination of many things, one of them being the manufacturing abilities of the US, producing more then the enemy can.

US entry into the war was a negligible factor. Soviets had the Germans beaten after Fall Blau failed, long before US entry into the European front.

[Epraria]

Germany and Britain also had lots of preparations and AA batteries. Didn't stop cities on both sides to be reduced to rubble.
China is after all also prepared. Japan is at best going to be an annoyance.

Well.... it's time for Sanderson to give a speech that summarizes us...

WINSTON CHURCHILL FTW

"I have, myself, full confidence that if all do their duty, if nothing is neglected, and if the best arrangements are made, as they are being made, we shall prove ourselves once more able to defend our island home, to ride out the storm of war, and to outlive the menace of tyranny, if necessary for years, if necessary alone. At any rate, that is what we are going to try to do. That is the resolve of His Majesty's Government – every man of them. That is the will of Parliament and the nation. The Columbian Empire and the Nihon Dominion, linked together in their cause and in their need, will defend to the death their native soil, aiding each other like good comrades to the utmost of their strength.

Even though large tracts of Asia as well as Europe and many old and famous States have fallen or may fall into the grip of the Chinese and Russian menace and all the odious apparatus of their rule, we shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in Japan, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender, and if, which I do not for a moment believe, this island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the Columbian Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God's good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old."

How precious. The Columbians think they can win against China.

[Marsisian]

Well.... it's time for Sanderson to give a speech that summarizes us...

WINSTON CHURCHILL FTW

"I have, myself, full confidence that if all do their duty, if nothing is neglected, and if the best arrangements are made, as they are being made, we shall prove ourselves once more able to defend our island home, to ride out the storm of war, and to outlive the menace of tyranny, if necessary for years, if necessary alone. At any rate, that is what we are going to try to do. That is the resolve of His Majesty's Government – every man of them. That is the will of Parliament and the nation. The Columbian Empire and the Nihon Dominion, linked together in their cause and in their need, will defend to the death their native soil, aiding each other like good comrades to the utmost of their strength.

Even though large tracts of Asia as well as Europe and many old and famous States have fallen or may fall into the grip of the Chinese and Russian menace and all the odious apparatus of their rule, we shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in Japan, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender, and if, which I do not for a moment believe, this island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the Columbian Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God's good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old."

How precious. The Columbians think they can win against China.

And Sir, your arrogance, albeit with good reason, is wrong, and we can win against China. It's the Russians that's an actual threat.

[Doitsu-san]

i believe sir, it was a combination of many things, one of them being the manufacturing abilities of the US, producing more then the enemy can.

US entry into the war was a negligible factor. Soviets had the Germans beaten after Fall Blau failed, long before US entry into the European front.

The Soviets outnumbered Allied Forces in Europe pretty much like 5/1. If the Soviets had never fought on the Eastern Front, Germany would be able to devote all it's troops to the West, which would be already devastating for the allies. Now imagine if the Soviets joined up with the Germans and decided to kill the Allies together. Now imagine if a fully modernized China with all it's inhabitants decided to join up with the Russians and Germans to kill the Allies. Now imagine if a colonial power (Spain) decided to join up with all these nations, allowing them to station their troops abroad near America and other Allied nations. Now you have the current scenario, and I believe things are way in favor of the Axis as of now.

[Epraria]

How precious. The Columbians think they can win against China.

And Sir, your arrogance, albeit with good reason, is wrong, and we can win against China. It's the Russians that's an actual threat.

Arrogant westerners underestimating the Dragon who has finally awakened from his slumber. For was it not Napoleon who said. "China is a sleeping giant. Let her sleep, for when she wakes she will move the world"

[Lunas Legion]

How precious. The Columbians think they can win against China.

And Sir, your arrogance, albeit with good reason, is wrong, and we can win against China. It's the Russians that's an actual threat.

If the Japs couldn't beat China, you don't have a hope in hell. You have to sail across the Pacific Ocean to land which takes weeks then you have to defeat the country with the largest population on Earth.

[Zumreed]

And Sir, your arrogance, albeit with good reason, is wrong, and we can win against China. It's the Russians that's an actual threat.

If the Japs couldn't beat China, you don't have a hope in hell. You have to sail across the Pacific Ocean to land which takes weeks then you have to defeat the country with the largest population on Earth.

Not to mention Siam's allies.

[Marsisian]

And Sir, your arrogance, albeit with good reason, is wrong, and we can win against China. It's the Russians that's an actual threat.

If the Japs couldn't beat China, you don't have a hope in hell. You have to sail across the Pacific Ocean to land which takes weeks then you have to defeat the country with the largest population on Earth.

They did beat China, they established Manchukuo and some other puppet states in China.

[Amarian]

i believe sir, it was a combination of many things, one of them being the manufacturing abilities of the US, producing more then the enemy can.

US entry into the war was a negligible factor. Soviets had the Germans beaten after Fall Blau failed, long before US entry into the European front.

And if the US had not entered the war at normandy or italy, Russia would have had to deal with more then just the German soldiers sent east. Germany would have been able to fight back with more men then they did. Devout most of their attention towards Russia, not to the west waiting for the huge assault.

@Doitsu, however none of those things did happen. why are we even arguing this point. lol

[Marsisian]

Canada, you're gonna help the Japanese, Australians, and us in Japan, right?

[Lunas Legion]

US entry into the war was a negligible factor. Soviets had the Germans beaten after Fall Blau failed, long before US entry into the European front.

The Soviets outnumbered Allied Forces in Europe pretty much like 5/1. If the Soviets had never fought on the Eastern Front, Germany would be able to devote all it's troops to the West, which would be already devastating for the allies. Now imagine if the Soviets joined up with the Germans and decided to kill the Allies together. Now imagine if a fully modernized China with all it's inhabitants decided to join up with the Russians and Germans to kill the Allies. Now imagine if a colonial power (Spain) decided to join up with all these nations, allowing them to station their troops abroad near America and other Allied nations. Now you have the current scenario, and I believe things are way in favor of the Axis as of now.

Russia aren't as large a threat; they don't have the commanders or the equipment yet to be a credible threat to the Allies. Beyond the Baltic, Black and White Seas, their navy is of no importance.

And a fascist alliance never holds together; Germany and Russia may butt heads over Poland or Spain and Germany over France.

[Epraria]

If the Japs couldn't beat China, you don't have a hope in hell. You have to sail across the Pacific Ocean to land which takes weeks then you have to defeat the country with the largest population on Earth.

They did beat China, they established Manchukuo and some other puppet states in China.

Eh no. They never beat China. China held out for 8 years when China was a backwards country that had been ravaged by warlordism and civil war. Japan never established full control over China and they never would have.

[Marsisian]

They did beat China, they established Manchukuo and some other puppet states in China.

Eh no. They never beat China. China held out for 8 years when China was a backwards country that had been ravaged by warlordism and civil war. Japan never established full control over China and they never would have.

They didn't beat them, but gave them and the CPC a hell of a lot of casualties and loss of land.