A Millennium and a Quarter [OOC|OPEN]

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

Volga Bulgaria had 30,000 men when it crushed the Mongols at samara bend.

I meant total pop

Work from there.

[Lithuanian Empire]

Volga Bulgaria had 30,000 men when it crushed the Mongols at samara bend.

I meant total pop

x20 lower estimate
x50 higher estimate

[Paketo]

I meant total pop

Work from there.

6 million total in Russia. Mongols have probably 3 million of that. The RUS states probably take another 2.5 million. That means that means the Bolgers have roughly the 500,000 but more available men to use from that than I have from my 950,000. Yeah, I could take them with 30,000 of their able bodied people decimated

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

Work from there.

6 million total in Russia. Mongols have probably 3 million of that. The RUS states probably take another 2.5 million. That means that means the Bolgers have roughly the 500,000 but more available men to use from that than I have from my 950,000. Yeah, I could take them with 30,000 of their able bodied people decimated

Volga isn't Rus. And Rus have 8-9 million. Volga Bulgars have roughly 3 million at most.

[G-Tech Corporation]

To a large extent; those soldiers that could be raised easily from the southern fiefs have largely disintegrated as a fighting force. You might find more opposition in the north.

And so falls the first people to ever beat the mongols IRL.

Eh. The actual historical evidence for the Volgamen defeating the Mongols at Samara Bend is rather scant. They certainly weren't crushed, as the Bulgars claimed. I did utilize the historical account of the battle when plotting their demise though

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

I cant tell if my border ends with the okra river in Nizhny Novgorod or on the Volga in Kazan.

[Paketo]

6 million total in Russia. Mongols have probably 3 million of that. The RUS states probably take another 2.5 million. That means that means the Bolgers have roughly the 500,000 but more available men to use from that than I have from my 950,000. Yeah, I could take them with 30,000 of their able bodied people decimated

Volga isn't Rus. And Rus have 8-9 million. Volga Bulgars have roughly 3 million at most.

Allen's source says 6 mil in 1000 so maybe 7 mil is a better number

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

Volga isn't Rus. And Rus have 8-9 million. Volga Bulgars have roughly 3 million at most.

Allen's source says 6 mil in 1000 so maybe 7 mil is a better number

He increased Italy's nascent population by two, so I did that for le Rus.

[Paketo]

Allen's source says 6 mil in 1000 so maybe 7 mil is a better number

He increased Italy's nascent population by two, so I did that for le Rus.

Then I put my population lower than I should be probably

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

He increased Italy's nascent population by two, so I did that for le Rus.

Then I put my population lower than I should be probably

No, it's fairly accurate, assuming historical demography hasn't changed. The only major cities in your area are Novgorod and the significantly smaller Psykov. Meanwhile, Vladmir is around 200,000 larger with the big cities of Rostov and Vladir, and the smaller Murom and Suzdal.

[Valentir]

Will get post up today.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

G, are 40,000 horsemen attacking overall, split betwixt Odegai, Subtai, and other dude; or is 40,000 each?

[Pavlostani]

Looking at a map, I realized that the city of Chernigov is damn near indestructible. There are four vectors of attack, north, south, east and west. Attacking from the west is out of the picture when dealing with the Mongols, who would certainly attack from an eastern point, and could possibly advance to a southern or northern attack vector. However, my south has a river and a massive fortification called Fort Yerov making it almost impassable. I would only need a small garrison in my south, allowing me to concentrate troops in the north and northeast where the hammer would fall the hardest. Even if I fall, it will certainly be a Pyrrhic victory for the Mongols.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

Looking at a map, I realized that the city of Chernigov is damn near indestructible. There are four vectors of attack, north, south, east and west. Attacking from the west is out of the picture when dealing with the Mongols, who would certainly attack from an eastern point, and could possibly advance to a southern or northern attack vector. However, my south has a river and a massive fortification called Fort Yerov making it almost impassable. I would only need a small garrison in my south, allowing me to concentrate troops in the north and northeast where the hammer would fall the hardest. Even if I fall, it will certainly be a Pyrrhic victory for the Mongols.

#Starvation1250

It's a threat we face, along with disease

[G-Tech Corporation]

G, are 40,000 horsemen attacking overall, split betwixt Odegai, Subtai, and other dude; or is 40,000 each?

Nah, 40k with Ogedei, fifty with Subutai, and about twenty with Boroldai. A little bit less than the proper Mongol invasion of the Abbasid Caliphate.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

G, are 40,000 horsemen attacking overall, split betwixt Odegai, Subtai, and other dude; or is 40,000 each?

Nah, 40k with Ogedei, fifty with Subutai, and about twenty with Boroldai. A little bit less than the proper Mongol invasion of the Abbasid Caliphate.

And, Ogedai is going towards the Rus, Subu is going north in Bolgar/Novgorodstan, and Boro is going?

[Pavlostani]

Looking at a map, I realized that the city of Chernigov is damn near indestructible. There are four vectors of attack, north, south, east and west. Attacking from the west is out of the picture when dealing with the Mongols, who would certainly attack from an eastern point, and could possibly advance to a southern or northern attack vector. However, my south has a river and a massive fortification called Fort Yerov making it almost impassable. I would only need a small garrison in my south, allowing me to concentrate troops in the north and northeast where the hammer would fall the hardest. Even if I fall, it will certainly be a Pyrrhic victory for the Mongols.

#Starvation1250

It's a threat we face, along with disease

We'll figure something out.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Nah, 40k with Ogedei, fifty with Subutai, and about twenty with Boroldai. A little bit less than the proper Mongol invasion of the Abbasid Caliphate.

And, Ogedai is going towards the Rus, Subu is going north in Bolgar/Novgorodstan, and Boro is going?

In very broad terms, Ogedei is headed west in to Ryazan and the Principalities, currently, Subutai is going north-west through Volga Bolgaria, and Boroldai is rampaging along the Cuman Khanate's eastern borders.

Or, Boroldai will be, once I have time to post in earnest.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

And, Ogedai is going towards the Rus, Subu is going north in Bolgar/Novgorodstan, and Boro is going?

In very broad terms, Ogedei is headed west in to Ryazan and the Principalities, currently, Subutai is going north-west through Volga Bolgaria, and Boroldai is rampaging along the Cuman Khanate's eastern borders.

Or, Boroldai will be, once I have time to post in earnest.

And, will you be honoring your pact with the Novgorodians?

[G-Tech Corporation]

In very broad terms, Ogedei is headed west in to Ryazan and the Principalities, currently, Subutai is going north-west through Volga Bolgaria, and Boroldai is rampaging along the Cuman Khanate's eastern borders.

Or, Boroldai will be, once I have time to post in earnest.

And, will you be honoring your pact with the Novgorodians?

Pact? What pact?

ICly, the Mongols haven't even met the Novgorodians, so I can't very well honor any pact that hasn't been formed yet.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

And, will you be honoring your pact with the Novgorodians?

Pact? What pact?

ICly, the Mongols haven't even met the Novgorodians, so I can't very well honor any pact that hasn't been formed yet.

OOC

[G-Tech Corporation]

Pact? What pact?

ICly, the Mongols haven't even met the Novgorodians, so I can't very well honor any pact that hasn't been formed yet.

OOC

OOCly I always honor my agreements, but the burden is on Paketo to ICly negotiate such a treaty before I arrive at his lands. Otherwise it'll be a case of pillage first, collect tribute later.

[Prusslandia]

Application
Nation Name: State of the Teutonic Order.
Population: 1.5 Million
Capital City: Mariensburg
Government: Military Order, with theocratic tendencies. Led by Grandmaster Hermann. A Grandmaster is chosen from the Chapter Masters via a manner of trials, including a test of faith. Another way to become Grandmaster is to be given power by the Pope himself.
Beneath the Grandmaster lie the Chapter Masters, who act as a governor equivalent to their respective region and commander of their regions Chapter House. A Chapter Master is rather independent, generally acting with freedom, but must obey the Grandmasters every decree.
The common folk are treated fairly well, given decent housing and food supply. All males are given basic combat training, with all men being conscripted into the infantry upon their 16th year, to serve for at least 2 years, and those with exceptional combat prowess are taken into the Knighthood.
Technology: Military and industrial Technology is close to 1290 levels, with agriculture and other technologies near 1245 levels. Compared to other Baltic states, the Order is rather advanced.
Economy: Primarily focused upon armour and weapons creation, though the Order has farms in its southern territories.
Military: 15,000 able bodied men total, with most of the Orders militant arm composed of Knights, though a highly trained infantry exists as well. 42 Galleys are at a constant war ready, and are manned by a total personnel count of 19,000. All members of the Orders militant arm are highly zealous, believing that they die for God, their sins abstained.
History: Almost exactly the same, except for the fact that, upon the gaining of Prussia, the natives were more welcoming to Teutonic rule.
Other: if I think of something I will post it
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[Valentir]

Posted. Now things should get interesting.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

Posted. Now things should get interesting.

Link? I see it not