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Postby Imperium Nova » Thu May 01, 2014 11:25 am

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Imperium Nova wrote:Weren't all completed? They were built pretty fast. And if not, which ones were completed?


Just correcting myself after looking at the wiki; Aurane would have 9 dromonds when he fled, although without all the weaponry, as the 10th was at Dragonstone with the Redwyne Fleet and he may have just launched the hulks.

The weaponry can be added later though.

So, all the ships except for Sweet Cersei, which was the second largest ship and as large as King Robert's Hammer (Not the actual hammer, but the boat).

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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Thu May 01, 2014 11:25 am

Lunas Legion wrote:
Imperium Nova wrote:Weren't all completed? They were built pretty fast. And if not, which ones were completed?


Just correcting myself after looking at the wiki; Aurane would have 9 dromonds when he fled, although without all the weaponry, as the 10th was at Dragonstone with the Redwyne Fleet and he may have just launched the hulks.

The weaponry can be added later though.

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Postby Mormak » Thu May 01, 2014 11:26 am

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Mormak wrote:Fine with me.

Sounds nice, the Blackfyre fleet will probably bump into La Valette first as they left port first.


You do realize that if this goes wrong however, Lannister may very well declare for any one who declares against Blackfyre, that's after they prepare to march on you themselves.

.-. The lesson of the Imp has not been forgotten, Lords of Casterly being held Hostage.weakens the family image, If it goes right though...You may gain thirty more ships and a more hundred thousand swords...

But that said would the Lannisters and the folks heading to the shield islands already be well underway by the time you may any significant progress across the Narrow? After i just have to exit the river and follow the coastlands up and there is Casterly.

Lunas Legion wrote:
Imperium Nova wrote:Weren't all completed? They were built pretty fast. And if not, which ones were completed?


Just correcting myself after looking at the wiki; Aurane would have 9 dromonds when he fled, although without all the weaponry, as the 10th was at Dragonstone with the Redwyne Fleet and he may have just launched the hulks.

The weaponry can be added later though.


Wouldn't those warhips basically by at the point where it costs more to maintain 70 old year warships then it would merely to replace them?

The Lannister Fleet contains no ship of more then forty and five years.
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Postby Lunas Legion » Thu May 01, 2014 11:28 am

Mormak wrote:
Imperium Nova wrote:Sounds nice, the Blackfyre fleet will probably bump into La Valette first as they left port first.


You do realize that if this goes wrong however, Lannister may very well declare for any one who declares against Blackfyre, that's after they prepare to march on you themselves.

.-. The lesson of the Imp has not been forgotten, Lords of Casterly being held Hostage.weakens the family image, If it goes right though...You may gain thirty more ships and a more hundred thousand swords...

But that said would the Lannisters and the folks heading to the shield islands already be well underway by the time you may any significant progress across the Narrow? After i just have to exit the river and follow the coastlands up and there is Casterly.

Lunas Legion wrote:
Just correcting myself after looking at the wiki; Aurane would have 9 dromonds when he fled, although without all the weaponry, as the 10th was at Dragonstone with the Redwyne Fleet and he may have just launched the hulks.

The weaponry can be added later though.


Wouldn't those warhips basically by at the point where it costs more to maintain 70 old year warships then it would merely to replace them?

The Lannister Fleet contains no ship of more then forty and five years.


Lannisters don't have 100,000 swords. They have half that number, maybe slightly more, at most.
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Postby Lunas Legion » Thu May 01, 2014 11:28 am

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Lunas Legion wrote:
Just correcting myself after looking at the wiki; Aurane would have 9 dromonds when he fled, although without all the weaponry, as the 10th was at Dragonstone with the Redwyne Fleet and he may have just launched the hulks.

The weaponry can be added later though.

Am I accepted?

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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Thu May 01, 2014 11:28 am

Lunas Legion wrote:
The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:Am I accepted?

Link to app?

The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:WIP APP

House APP:

House Name: House Royce of Runestone

Sigil: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/images/thumb ... -Royce.png

Head of House:
De Jure Andar "Young un'" Royce(60) son of Andar Royce Senior, Bronze Yohn's son. He was a decent fighter, preferring mace and shield to horse and lance. Despite never winning in the tourney's he led several successful forays against the hill tribes for the Lord of the Eyrie. At the age of 30, he became the Lord of Runestone when his father died of a stroke. He ruled admirably for years, birthing one son. Fifteen years past, his wife Kira died in a tragic accident. He has since become incredibly hostile and narrow minded, intently focused on killing things and abdicating the Rune Stone Seat in favor of leading the Royce bannermen into combat against smugglers, hillmen, and pirates.


De Facto Yorren "Bronzeoak" Royce(45) The sole son of Andar Royce, he assumed the Rune Stone Seat at the age of thirty amidst his father's abdication. He is more of a warrior, taking after his father and great-grandfather. He is the current holder of the Royce Armor. He is approximately six foot four, and wields a large bronze and steel shield and cruel mace. He is a skilled tactician and warrior, performing best in melee. He lacks in the strategy and management categories. His wife, Analise, died two years past of Greyscale. He has grey eyes and white hair brought about from Analise's death.

Relevant House Members:

Csilla Royce nee Waynwood(26) The wife of Wym Royce, she hails from the House Waynwood. A dedicated adherent to the Faith of the Seven, she nonetheless tries to convert her Old God's Husband to no avail. She is skilled player of the Harp and stands rought 5'5". Her hair falls long in coils in a red morass. She detests the politics of Westeros.

Wym Royce(28) The eldest son of Yorren, he stands a mere 5'6" and has hair bronze like the family shield. He manages the day to day affairs of the House. He is a skilled mathematician and works wonders as Runestone's Master of Coin. He is a gifted civil administrator as well, and rather well liked by the people of his family's domains. He; however, is no Ser and likely never will be. He is adept at fencing and little else. His place is by his father's books, fighting the Golden War, while his brother's and father fight the Bloody War.

Tyr Royce(26) A good sized fellow with auburn hair and booming laugh. He is a decent horseman and knight, and is the most traditional Westerosi warrior of the lot. He prefers a good bought in the yards to looking over the books. He is a merry fellow, and often hosts parties and small tournies. Tyr is the only Ser in the living family, being nominally of the Seven and more of a go with it person. He is very lax and carefree. He is married to Alyssa Royce nee Shett-Grafton

Andos Royce(24) The youngest Royce, is roughly six foot and brown eyed. He is a serious fellow, perhaps even more so than his eldest brother, Wym. He is a conservative and efficient fighter, doing what must be done with as few actions as possible. He is a talented strategist, efficiently dealing with any threat with the appropriate force, and only as much as needed. His moves are cold, quick, and deadly.


Other Members, not significant.

Kolumna Royce(20)
Ayss Royce nee Shett-Grafton (25)

House Seat: Runestone

House's Faith: Old Gods and Faith of the Seven

Military Forces: ~7,000

Sworn Houses: House Royce of the Gates of the Moon, Coldwater of Coldwater Burn, Shett-Grafton of Gull Town, Tollet of Gray Glen

Events within the House in the 60 years between the OP history and the RP:

With the end of the Second Long Night and the Reconquest, Westeros was left tired and bleeding. However, Runestone has escaped the Second Long Night and Reconquest rather unscathed, located as it was on the peninsula. This held true for most Royce lands and sworn houses save the Coldwaters. The Royce's fought their fair share of battle, and lost their share of men, but after sixty years of unparalleled growth and prosperity, they are back on their feet.

RP Example: VAPOR RP Group, New Imperialism, FT-Bravo, Guns of our Forefathers, Clankers and Beasties

Notes:House Shett and House Grafton merged because of serious patricide in both Houses during the Vale Landings of Dany's return. Grafton became Sworn House as part of the Shetts.
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Postby Lunas Legion » Thu May 01, 2014 11:29 am

The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:
Lunas Legion wrote:Link to app?

The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:WIP APP

House APP:

House Name: House Royce of Runestone

Sigil: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/images/thumb ... -Royce.png

Head of House:
De Jure Andar "Young un'" Royce(60) son of Andar Royce Senior, Bronze Yohn's son. He was a decent fighter, preferring mace and shield to horse and lance. Despite never winning in the tourney's he led several successful forays against the hill tribes for the Lord of the Eyrie. At the age of 30, he became the Lord of Runestone when his father died of a stroke. He ruled admirably for years, birthing one son. Fifteen years past, his wife Kira died in a tragic accident. He has since become incredibly hostile and narrow minded, intently focused on killing things and abdicating the Rune Stone Seat in favor of leading the Royce bannermen into combat against smugglers, hillmen, and pirates.


De Facto Yorren "Bronzeoak" Royce(45) The sole son of Andar Royce, he assumed the Rune Stone Seat at the age of thirty amidst his father's abdication. He is more of a warrior, taking after his father and great-grandfather. He is the current holder of the Royce Armor. He is approximately six foot four, and wields a large bronze and steel shield and cruel mace. He is a skilled tactician and warrior, performing best in melee. He lacks in the strategy and management categories. His wife, Analise, died two years past of Greyscale. He has grey eyes and white hair brought about from Analise's death.

Relevant House Members:

Csilla Royce nee Waynwood(26) The wife of Wym Royce, she hails from the House Waynwood. A dedicated adherent to the Faith of the Seven, she nonetheless tries to convert her Old God's Husband to no avail. She is skilled player of the Harp and stands rought 5'5". Her hair falls long in coils in a red morass. She detests the politics of Westeros.

Wym Royce(28) The eldest son of Yorren, he stands a mere 5'6" and has hair bronze like the family shield. He manages the day to day affairs of the House. He is a skilled mathematician and works wonders as Runestone's Master of Coin. He is a gifted civil administrator as well, and rather well liked by the people of his family's domains. He; however, is no Ser and likely never will be. He is adept at fencing and little else. His place is by his father's books, fighting the Golden War, while his brother's and father fight the Bloody War.

Tyr Royce(26) A good sized fellow with auburn hair and booming laugh. He is a decent horseman and knight, and is the most traditional Westerosi warrior of the lot. He prefers a good bought in the yards to looking over the books. He is a merry fellow, and often hosts parties and small tournies. Tyr is the only Ser in the living family, being nominally of the Seven and more of a go with it person. He is very lax and carefree. He is married to Alyssa Royce nee Shett-Grafton

Andos Royce(24) The youngest Royce, is roughly six foot and brown eyed. He is a serious fellow, perhaps even more so than his eldest brother, Wym. He is a conservative and efficient fighter, doing what must be done with as few actions as possible. He is a talented strategist, efficiently dealing with any threat with the appropriate force, and only as much as needed. His moves are cold, quick, and deadly.


Other Members, not significant.

Kolumna Royce(20)
Ayss Royce nee Shett-Grafton (25)

House Seat: Runestone

House's Faith: Old Gods and Faith of the Seven

Military Forces: ~7,000

Sworn Houses: House Royce of the Gates of the Moon, Coldwater of Coldwater Burn, Shett-Grafton of Gull Town, Tollet of Gray Glen

Events within the House in the 60 years between the OP history and the RP:

With the end of the Second Long Night and the Reconquest, Westeros was left tired and bleeding. However, Runestone has escaped the Second Long Night and Reconquest rather unscathed, located as it was on the peninsula. This held true for most Royce lands and sworn houses save the Coldwaters. The Royce's fought their fair share of battle, and lost their share of men, but after sixty years of unparalleled growth and prosperity, they are back on their feet.

RP Example: VAPOR RP Group, New Imperialism, FT-Bravo, Guns of our Forefathers, Clankers and Beasties

Notes:House Shett and House Grafton merged because of serious patricide in both Houses during the Vale Landings of Dany's return. Grafton became Sworn House as part of the Shetts.


Seems alright. Accepted.
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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Thu May 01, 2014 11:31 am

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Seems alright. Accepted.

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Postby Mormak » Thu May 01, 2014 11:32 am

Lunas Legion wrote:
Mormak wrote:
You do realize that if this goes wrong however, Lannister may very well declare for any one who declares against Blackfyre, that's after they prepare to march on you themselves.

.-. The lesson of the Imp has not been forgotten, Lords of Casterly being held Hostage.weakens the family image, If it goes right though...You may gain thirty more ships and a more hundred thousand swords...

But that said would the Lannisters and the folks heading to the shield islands already be well underway by the time you may any significant progress across the Narrow? After i just have to exit the river and follow the coastlands up and there is Casterly.



Wouldn't those warhips basically by at the point where it costs more to maintain 70 old year warships then it would merely to replace them?

The Lannister Fleet contains no ship of more then forty and five years.


Lannisters don't have 100,000 swords. They have half that number, maybe slightly more, at most.


I meant literal swords you know?

Lannisters FUND wars, they don't fight them.

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Postby Imperium Nova » Thu May 01, 2014 11:33 am

Mormak wrote:
Imperium Nova wrote:Sounds nice, the Blackfyre fleet will probably bump into La Valette first as they left port first.


You do realize that if this goes wrong however, Lannister may very well declare for any one who declares against Blackfyre, that's after they prepare to march on you themselves.

.-. The lesson of the Imp has not been forgotten, Lords of Casterly being held Hostage.weakens the family image, If it goes right though...You may gain thirty more ships and a more hundred thousand swords...

But that said would the Lannisters and the folks heading to the shield islands already be well underway by the time you may any significant progress across the Narrow? After i just have to exit the river and follow the coastlands up and there is Casterly.

I did not plan on taking Tywin hostage or anything, just stopping by, taking them on board the ship and talking about stuff, be kind and nice and all that. Show them that the dragon can be friendly.

Also, you must surely sail down the Narrow Sea to get to Casterly Rock, any ship of such a size can not travel on the rivers, and so you are pretty much doomed to eventually bump into the Blackfyres somehow, either the Blackfyre fleet in the Narrow Sea or the Blackfyres on the Stepstones.

Mormak wrote:
Lunas Legion wrote:
Just correcting myself after looking at the wiki; Aurane would have 9 dromonds when he fled, although without all the weaponry, as the 10th was at Dragonstone with the Redwyne Fleet and he may have just launched the hulks.

The weaponry can be added later though.


Wouldn't those warhips basically by at the point where it costs more to maintain 70 old year warships then it would merely to replace them?

The Lannister Fleet contains no ship of more then forty and five years.

Technology don't seem to advance too much in this world, and ships can last a long time if they are not sunk due to accidents, war or pirates.
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Postby Lunas Legion » Thu May 01, 2014 11:34 am

Mormak wrote:
Lunas Legion wrote:
Lannisters don't have 100,000 swords. They have half that number, maybe slightly more, at most.


I meant literal swords you know?

Lannisters FUND wars, they don't fight them.


They'll have to fight if they want someone friendly on the throne.
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Postby Mormak » Thu May 01, 2014 11:40 am

Imperium Nova wrote:
Mormak wrote:
You do realize that if this goes wrong however, Lannister may very well declare for any one who declares against Blackfyre, that's after they prepare to march on you themselves.

.-. The lesson of the Imp has not been forgotten, Lords of Casterly being held Hostage.weakens the family image, If it goes right though...You may gain thirty more ships and a more hundred thousand swords...

But that said would the Lannisters and the folks heading to the shield islands already be well underway by the time you may any significant progress across the Narrow? After i just have to exit the river and follow the coastlands up and there is Casterly.

I did not plan on taking Tywin hostage or anything, just stopping by, taking them on board the ship and talking about stuff, be kind and nice and all that. Show them that the dragon can be friendly.

Also, you must surely sail down the Narrow Sea to get to Casterly Rock, any ship of such a size can not travel on the rivers, and so you are pretty much doomed to eventually bump into the Blackfyres somehow, either the Blackfyre fleet in the Narrow Sea or the Blackfyres on the Stepstones.

Lunas Legion wrote:
Just correcting myself after looking at the wiki; Aurane would have 9 dromonds when he fled, although without all the weaponry, as the 10th was at Dragonstone with the Redwyne Fleet and he may have just launched the hulks.

The weaponry can be added later though.


Wouldn't those warhips basically by at the point where it costs more to maintain 70 old year warships then it would merely to replace them?

The Lannister Fleet contains no ship of more then forty and five years.

Technology don't seem to advance too much in this world, and ships can last a long time if they are not sunk due to accidents, war or pirates.[/quote]


Are you joking? Have you seen Blackwater bay and its tributaries? Stannis sailed a Fleet up them.

Its a main port of commence in the realm as well. So given that the Lannisters need only sail up river to the narrows and then head to Lannisport it wouldn't be an overly long voyage.

I was mostly talking about how the water rot of the Hull would make any such vessel doomed to be a constant drain on resources as you spent more time with trying to replace, and fix damage that comes up with an aging vessel then it ever would fighting. Wooden Ships come with a whole different score of issues then metal ones, and those Dromonds in history were never great vessels when it came to integrity of the hull anyway. And these are more then seventy years old.

Which even in GOT, there is no vessel of that age in service. The Fury seems to be the oldest, it was a targy warship before it became part of Robert's own navy during his rebellion. But even it likely saw no more service then forty years before the wildfire consumed it.

And why would Tywin go to the steppestones?

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Postby Imperium Nova » Thu May 01, 2014 11:47 am

Mormak wrote:
Imperium Nova wrote:Technology don't seem to advance too much in this world, and ships can last a long time if they are not sunk due to accidents, war or pirates.



Are you joking? Have you seen Blackwater bay and its tributaries? Stannis sailed a Fleet up them.

Its a main port of commence in the realm as well. So given that the Lannisters need only sail up river to the narrows and then head to Lannisport it wouldn't be an overly long voyage.

I was mostly talking about how the water rot of the Hull would make any such vessel doomed to be a constant drain on resources as you spent more time with trying to replace, and fix damage that comes up with an aging vessel then it ever would fighting. Wooden Ships come with a whole different score of issues then metal ones, and those Dromonds in history were never great vessels when it came to integrity of the hull anyway. And these are more then seventy years old.

Which even in GOT, there is no vessel of that age in service. The Fury seems to be the oldest, it was a targy warship before it became part of Robert's own navy during his rebellion. But even it likely saw no more service then forty years before the wildfire consumed it.

And why would Tywin go to the steppestones?

Tywin boards boat in King's Landing to sail to Casterly Rock. Tywin can either
A. Sail north, for as long as anyone knows, to the Lands of Always Winter to hopefully be able to come back south again.
B. Sail east, for as long as anyone knows, past Essos to hope that the world is round and he can come back to Casterly Rock that way.
C. Sail south, via Stormlands, Dorne and the Reach, and arriving home to Casterly Rock. Then he must sail through the Stepstones though.

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Postby Mormak » Thu May 01, 2014 11:51 am

Lunas Legion wrote:
Mormak wrote:
I meant literal swords you know?

Lannisters FUND wars, they don't fight them.


They'll have to fight if they want someone friendly on the throne.


Also i was doing my math, House Lannister during the war of Kings, raised a host of more then 60,000 within a Month, You say they couldn't exceed that now? ._. If it can host what was it, at least a hundred and fifty for the Stark rebellion, Why would it not be able to do similar numbers now?

Also note the armies gathered.

The replacement for the one lost to Jamie at Riverun during his capture, The replacement for the one lost to Kevan when he tried crossing the ford at Riverun, The one lost at Whispering Wood, etc. Every time they lost a host, they dragged another one from the Westerlands, never smaller then at least thirty thousand. Because that was what Jamie effectively lost at Riverun and later the wood, Bloody battle of camps.

Although i guess the population of the Westerlands could be smaller from the war and what have you, but you figure the Others wouldn't have made much impact into it, its a bit out of the way. Aegon's a different story though.

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Postby Mormak » Thu May 01, 2014 11:57 am

Imperium Nova wrote:
Mormak wrote:

Are you joking? Have you seen Blackwater bay and its tributaries? Stannis sailed a Fleet up them.

Its a main port of commence in the realm as well. So given that the Lannisters need only sail up river to the narrows and then head to Lannisport it wouldn't be an overly long voyage.

I was mostly talking about how the water rot of the Hull would make any such vessel doomed to be a constant drain on resources as you spent more time with trying to replace, and fix damage that comes up with an aging vessel then it ever would fighting. Wooden Ships come with a whole different score of issues then metal ones, and those Dromonds in history were never great vessels when it came to integrity of the hull anyway. And these are more then seventy years old.

Which even in GOT, there is no vessel of that age in service. The Fury seems to be the oldest, it was a targy warship before it became part of Robert's own navy during his rebellion. But even it likely saw no more service then forty years before the wildfire consumed it.

And why would Tywin go to the steppestones?

Tywin boards boat in King's Landing to sail to Casterly Rock. Tywin can either
A. Sail north, for as long as anyone knows, to the Lands of Always Winter to hopefully be able to come back south again.
B. Sail east, for as long as anyone knows, past Essos to hope that the world is round and he can come back to Casterly Rock that way.
C. Sail south, via Stormlands, Dorne and the Reach, and arriving home to Casterly Rock. Then he must sail through the Stepstones though.

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I was actually planning to follow the waters of the neck inland til the Westerlands were reached, could ride for Casterly, that was the idea originally. Hence my notion of river travel, its only a two deck galley needs maybe thirty to fifty feet of water and not much else and it can squeeze in.

Then i figured, why not Lannisport? But i guess i can abandon river travel if you want to interact that badly.

It would likely be the the swiftest route, but i must say that route represents the risks of Dorne and its stupid island chain of idiot pirates. Though i suppose that's the point.

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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Thu May 01, 2014 12:02 pm

Well, one way to stop hull rot is lead/bronze/copper lining.
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Postby Rephesus » Thu May 01, 2014 12:02 pm

Realistically the Blackfyres can't extend their influence to the Dornish coast, it you stuck to it then that would probably be safe.

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Postby Lunas Legion » Thu May 01, 2014 12:05 pm

Mormak wrote:
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They'll have to fight if they want someone friendly on the throne.


Also i was doing my math, House Lannister during the war of Kings, raised a host of more then 60,000 within a Month, You say they couldn't exceed that now? ._. If it can host what was it, at least a hundred and fifty for the Stark rebellion, Why would it not be able to do similar numbers now?

Also note the armies gathered.

The replacement for the one lost to Jamie at Riverun during his capture, The replacement for the one lost to Kevan when he tried crossing the ford at Riverun, The one lost at Whispering Wood, etc. Every time they lost a host, they dragged another one from the Westerlands, never smaller then at least thirty thousand. Because that was what Jamie effectively lost at Riverun and later the wood, Bloody battle of camps.

Although i guess the population of the Westerlands could be smaller from the war and what have you, but you figure the Others wouldn't have made much impact into it, its a bit out of the way. Aegon's a different story though.


What changed was the people in the host; the first 2 of Tywin and Jamie were the semi-professional levies of House Lannister and it's vassals. The one under Steffan which was smashed during Robb's march into the Westerlands was made up of the dregs from Lannisport. After those, House Lannister's later hosts were made up of the recombined remnants of the others, sellswords, Reachmen, Freys and Boltons.
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Postby Mormak » Thu May 01, 2014 12:10 pm

The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:Well, one way to stop hull rot is lead/bronze/copper lining.


Indeed, but why would you bother working that into vessels that are that old? Save it for your newer warships, better investment.

Also even Copper would an oxidized mess after fifty years.

It does better then most metals when it comes to water, no rusting to speak of it, but it does break down like everything else, saltwater does it no favors either. But this is inserting way to much realism into it by this point.

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Postby Valentir » Thu May 01, 2014 12:10 pm

I'm sailing to Storm's End, from there to Estermont, and from Estermont to Dorne. I really don't want an encounter with the Blackfyres so don't come near me.

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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Thu May 01, 2014 12:11 pm

Mormak wrote:
The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:Well, one way to stop hull rot is lead/bronze/copper lining.


Indeed, but why would you bother working that into vessels that are that old? Save it for your newer warships, better investment.

Also even Copper would an oxidized mess after fifty years.

It does better then most metals when it comes to water, no rusting to speak of it, but it does break down like everything else, saltwater does it no favors either. But this is inserting way to much realism into it by this point.

Line it with gold then, if you are the Lanisters
I'm really tired

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Postby Mormak » Thu May 01, 2014 12:16 pm

Lunas Legion wrote:
Mormak wrote:
Also i was doing my math, House Lannister during the war of Kings, raised a host of more then 60,000 within a Month, You say they couldn't exceed that now? ._. If it can host what was it, at least a hundred and fifty for the Stark rebellion, Why would it not be able to do similar numbers now?

Also note the armies gathered.

The replacement for the one lost to Jamie at Riverun during his capture, The replacement for the one lost to Kevan when he tried crossing the ford at Riverun, The one lost at Whispering Wood, etc. Every time they lost a host, they dragged another one from the Westerlands, never smaller then at least thirty thousand. Because that was what Jamie effectively lost at Riverun and later the wood, Bloody battle of camps.

Although i guess the population of the Westerlands could be smaller from the war and what have you, but you figure the Others wouldn't have made much impact into it, its a bit out of the way. Aegon's a different story though.


What changed was the people in the host; the first 2 of Tywin and Jamie were the semi-professional levies of House Lannister and it's vassals. The one under Steffan which was smashed during Robb's march into the Westerlands was made up of the dregs from Lannisport. After those, House Lannister's later hosts were made up of the recombined remnants of the others, sellswords, Reachmen, Freys and Boltons.


So what would be a realistic number of their forces of professional men at armies, house levies and vassal forces?

I presented 11,000 Archers, 10,000 Footmen, 35,000 Men at Arms and 3,500 mounted Knights as the forces of Casterly, But i view that as a conservative estimate of its military force at best. The professional soldiers of the Westerlands, I suppose if the need arose, a new host be formed.

The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:
Mormak wrote:
Indeed, but why would you bother working that into vessels that are that old? Save it for your newer warships, better investment.

Also even Copper would an oxidized mess after fifty years.

It does better then most metals when it comes to water, no rusting to speak of it, but it does break down like everything else, saltwater does it no favors either. But this is inserting way to much realism into it by this point.

Line it with gold then, if you are the Lanisters


*Has two Warships that are gilded and lined with gold*

The 300 Oar Might of Tywin War Galley (Flagship) and the 300 Oar Pride of Casterly Way Galley

Basically only the largest ships of their fleet got the special treatment of a lined hull.

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Postby Imperium Nova » Thu May 01, 2014 12:17 pm

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Imperium Nova wrote:Tywin boards boat in King's Landing to sail to Casterly Rock. Tywin can either
A. Sail north, for as long as anyone knows, to the Lands of Always Winter to hopefully be able to come back south again.
B. Sail east, for as long as anyone knows, past Essos to hope that the world is round and he can come back to Casterly Rock that way.
C. Sail south, via Stormlands, Dorne and the Reach, and arriving home to Casterly Rock. Then he must sail through the Stepstones though.



I was actually planning to follow the waters of the neck inland til the Westerlands were reached, could ride for Casterly, that was the idea originally. Hence my notion of river travel, its only a two deck galley needs maybe thirty to fifty feet of water and not much else and it can squeeze in.

Then i figured, why not Lannisport? But i guess i can abandon river travel if you want to interact that badly.

It would likely be the the swiftest route, but i must say that route represents the risks of Dorne and its stupid island chain of idiot pirates. Though i suppose that's the point.

I'm not sure how good the rivers are for sailing on, but perhaps they are deep enough. In any case, by all means sail on the rivers, but I doubt that Blackfyre and Lannister will meet otherwise.

Valentir wrote:I'm sailing to Storm's End, from there to Estermont, and from Estermont to Dorne. I really don't want an encounter with the Blackfyres so don't come near me.

Awh... I feel lonely...

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Postby Mormak » Thu May 01, 2014 12:21 pm

We can meet off the coast of Dorne if you like?

It seems like a resemble place for two forces of ships to be encountering each other.

Although i am unsure how Tywin would react to a fleet of warships speeding for King's Landing, he may very well decide to return to the capital that very instant instead of returning to Lannisport and Casterly.

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Postby Rephesus » Thu May 01, 2014 12:41 pm

Mormak wrote:We can meet off the coast of Dorne if you like?

It seems like a resemble place for two forces of ships to be encountering each other.

Although i am unsure how Tywin would react to a fleet of warships speeding for King's Landing, he may very well decide to return to the capital that very instant instead of returning to Lannisport and Casterly.


You can expect a Dornish response if a large Lannister-Blackfyre fleet appears on our coast.

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