Game of Thrones: Aftermath (OOC)

[Rephesus]

Of course not, Myrcella is the current Lady of Sunspear, is she not? Plus the Dornish loved Tyrion, who raised Tommen. So long as the Lannisters don't make a claim to the throne or start a war, I'm sure an alliance would develop.

And Dorne is easily one of the strongest houses. The North was devastated first by the war of 5 kings, and again (more severely) by the Other Invasion, the majority of their population would've died from that and they would have a significantly smaller military. The Riverlands would be somewhat stronger, but the war hurt them swell. In contrast. Dorne was left almost untouched.

Dorne is still 7th of the 9 regions of Westeros, the North would be inhabited by Wildlings, and the Riverlands repopulate quickly. Dorne could still beat out the Iron Isles and the Crownlands though.

How is Dorne 7th? The North was ravaged, Winterfell would take centuries to return, and frankly Wildlings would be dying too. The North would definitely be in the bottom 3. The Riverlands would repopulate, but their infrastructure remains poor, and the various castles of bannermen were torn apart during the war.

The Stormlands were hit hard aswell, with Aegon's landing and destruction of various strongholds, they would have fewer veterans and industry would still be lagging. The Westernlands were under siege for quite some time, and dragons ravaged the lands aswell. The Reach is nearing civil war, and the Vale has never been much of a power, with the Arryns gone, less so.

Dorne is a major economic zone for trade between Essos and Westeros, it has the best wine (Dornish Red > Arbour Gold any day) and the greatest culture. Also the Dornish armies would've been barely reduced by the war and there would be mass migration into Dorne during the invasion from the Others, everyone wants to go south.

[Zentrut]

So what are the current faction aiming for the Iron throne?

Only the Blackfyres publicly claim the Iron Throne. Otherwise Lord Stark and Lord Lannister both put forward their names for the regency, both were rejected and Tywin left, Rickon has put himself forth once again and is awaiting a response.

I did suggest Stark, and I've claimed the Throne for the Baratheons.

[Zentrut]

Dorne is still 7th of the 9 regions of Westeros, the North would be inhabited by Wildlings, and the Riverlands repopulate quickly. Dorne could still beat out the Iron Isles and the Crownlands though.

How is Dorne 7th? The North was ravaged, Winterfell would take centuries to return, and frankly Wildlings would be dying too. The North would definitely be in the bottom 3. The Riverlands would repopulate, but their infrastructure remains poor, and the various castles of bannermen were torn apart during the war.

The Stormlands were hit hard aswell, with Aegon's landing and destruction of various strongholds, they would have fewer veterans and industry would still be lagging. The Westernlands were under siege for quite some time, and dragons ravaged the lands aswell. The Reach is nearing civil war, and the Vale has never been much of a power, with the Arryns gone, less so.

Dorne is a major economic zone for trade between Essos and Westeros, it has the best wine (Dornish Red > Arbour Gold any day) and the greatest culture. Also the Dornish armies would've been barely reduced by the war and there would be mass migration into Dorne during the invasion from the Others, everyone wants to go south.

No one wants to go to sandy desert of shit, they all went to the Stormlands and Reach. And someone explained that almost nothing was damaged by the Others' sting attack. Here:

Of course not, Myrcella is the current Lady of Sunspear, is she not? Plus the Dornish loved Tyrion, who raised Tommen. So long as the Lannisters don't make a claim to the throne or start a war, I'm sure an alliance would develop.

And Dorne is easily one of the strongest houses. The North was devastated first by the war of 5 kings, and again (more severely) by the Other Invasion, the majority of their population would've died from that and they would have a significantly smaller military. The Riverlands would be somewhat stronger, but the war hurt them swell. In contrast. Dorne was left almost untouched.

It was already explained that the Other Invasion did not see them occupy and exterminate, instead they rushed south and hoped to defeat the armies opposed to them before exterminating. So we didn't lose that much life, the most damage was material and that can always be replaced, especially 60 years down the line...

[Rephesus]

Yes, she married into the Three Towers, Not Highgarden. The Costayne's aren't the most loyal bannermen.

How could they not be loyal? They are paving a road that should have been built long ago. It is time for the Reach and Dorne to recognize that they are stronger together than apart. Where would House Martell be today, I ask, had not their founder seen fit to accept the Rhoynar?

Martell accepted the Rhoynar because in the marriage they gained a great deal, the Martells consolidated their power and ruled Dorne because of the Rhoynar. The Tyrells can't offer anything like that.

The Costayne's are Hightower bannermen first, remember that.

[Jade Confederacy]

Yes, she married into the Three Towers, Not Highgarden. The Costayne's aren't the most loyal bannermen.

How could they not be loyal? They are paving a road that should have been built long ago. It is time for the Reach and Dorne to recognize that they are stronger together than apart. Where would House Martell be today, I ask, had not their founder seen fit to accept the Rhoynar?

They're not loyal because they sense blood in the water as do all the other major houses in the Reach. There is a new Lord Paramount in Highgarden and he is both young and untested. Loyalty to the old ruler does not translate loyalty to the new ruler. Sword and coin demands respect and loyalty, not past actions.

[Rephesus]

Sandy desert of shit? Seriously? Sunspear, Yronwood and Starfell are all perfectly good locations for migrates with food surplus and safety. At the time the Stormlands were just beginning to recover from the war and the Reach had just bent the knee, Dorne was the only place untouched by the war in the south.

And yes, the damage wouldn't be too bad, you're right, but even if they rushed south, there would still be very high casualties, particularly among those not living behind castle walls.

[Arlye Austros]

Hmmmm.... how long is it been since Danny died? See many are already aware of this... unless we are not working on the same chronology and we can do Fast Forwards of Flashbacks.

[Rephesus]

Hmmmm.... how long is it been since Danny died? See many are already aware of this... unless we are not working on the same chronology and we can do Fast Forwards of Flashbacks.

The stuff happening in Kings Landing would be hours after. Everywhere else- probably days.

[Mormak]

Sandy desert of shit? Seriously

[Krumbia]

Hmmmm.... how long is it been since Danny died? See many are already aware of this... unless we are not working on the same chronology and we can do Fast Forwards of Flashbacks.

It seems to me that some people are ahead of what's happening in King's Landing, me included. The fact of it is, ravens are not supersonic, and a number of them would not even have reached their destination. But it would be fair to say that most other places are one or two days ahead of the events taking place in King's Landing, at least.

[Zentrut]

Sandy desert of shit? Seriously? Sunspear, Yronwood and Starfell are all perfectly good locations for migrates with food surplus and safety. At the time the Stormlands were just beginning to recover from the war and the Reach had just bent the knee, Dorne was the only place untouched by the war in the south.

And yes, the damage wouldn't be too bad, you're right, but even if they rushed south, there would still be very high casualties, particularly among those not living behind castle walls.

Sunspear: Desert
Yronwood: Desert mountains
Starfall: Mountains
Go ahead, keep on disregarding the OP's word, that'll serve you well.

[Mormak]

Hmmmm.... how long is it been since Danny died? See many are already aware of this... unless we are not working on the same chronology and we can do Fast Forwards of Flashbacks.

The stuff happening in Kings Landing would be hours after. Everywhere else- probably days.

I consider Lord Tywin's arrival at Duskendale and the departure of the Golden Lion a day and a half after her death, likewise i consider the arrival of the raven that bore the news to Castery arriving near three days after her death.

[Logistica Suprema]

How could they not be loyal? They are paving a road that should have been built long ago. It is time for the Reach and Dorne to recognize that they are stronger together than apart. Where would House Martell be today, I ask, had not their founder seen fit to accept the Rhoynar?

Martell accepted the Rhoynar because in the marriage they gained a great deal, the Martells consolidated their power and ruled Dorne because of the Rhoynar. The Tyrells can't offer anything like that.

The Costayne's are Hightower bannermen first, remember that.

I was unaware that you spoke for both Dorne and the Arbor. You will forgive me, I trust.

[Rephesus]

Sandy desert of shit? Seriously? Sunspear, Yronwood and Starfell are all perfectly good locations for migrates with food surplus and safety. At the time the Stormlands were just beginning to recover from the war and the Reach had just bent the knee, Dorne was the only place untouched by the war in the south.

And yes, the damage wouldn't be too bad, you're right, but even if they rushed south, there would still be very high casualties, particularly among those not living behind castle walls.

Sunspear: Desert
Yronwood: Desert mountains
Starfall: Mountains
Go ahead, keep on disregarding the OP's word, that'll serve you well.

I'm not disregarding.

Incase you forgot, they are coastal, which means a lot of fish and trade, particularly with the Free Cities. The Stormlands get far less trade, especially due to the bad conditions for ships.

And I'm not disregarding the OPs word, I'm providing a realistic analysis to help you fix your confused perspective.

[Rephesus]

I was unaware that you spoke for both Dorne and the Arbor. You will forgive me, I trust.

Go read the wiki, that's why the Rhoynar were married into Martell.

And I'm not speaking for the Arbor, I'm just stating that the Costayne's are sworn to Hightower.

[Zentrut]

Sunspear: Desert
Yronwood: Desert mountains
Starfall: Mountains
Go ahead, keep on disregarding the OP's word, that'll serve you well.

I'm not disregarding.

Incase you forgot, they are coastal, which means a lot of fish and trade, particularly with the Free Cities. The Stormlands get far less trade, especially due to the bad conditions for ships.

And I'm not disregarding the OPs word, I'm providing a realistic analysis to help you fix your confused perspective.

My confused perspective based on what the OP has said? Sure, fix that, fix it right up.

[Rephesus]

The OP never called Dorne a 'Sandy Desert of Shit'. It stated the events, and that there was a great deal of damage, with almost none of it happening in Dorne.

[Keznov]

Guys, can we please not fight?

[Logistica Suprema]

How could they not be loyal? They are paving a road that should have been built long ago. It is time for the Reach and Dorne to recognize that they are stronger together than apart. Where would House Martell be today, I ask, had not their founder seen fit to accept the Rhoynar?

They're not loyal because they sense blood in the water as do all the other major houses in the Reach. There is a new Lord Paramount in Highgarden and he is both young and untested. Loyalty to the old ruler does not translate loyalty to the new ruler. Sword and coin demands respect and loyalty, not past actions.

Untested? Garlan Tyrell has reigned de facto for four years, and proved repeatedly the capacity of his judgment. Young? I do not believe the realm cared of age when Daeron the Young Dragon took the throne, nor when Robb the Young Wolf donned his bronze crown, nor when Daenerys the Unburnt hatched three dragons on the Dothraki Sea and all the world gasp in horror and awe. The only blood I mean to see in the water is Blackfyre.

A united Reach, a united Realm.

[Imperium Nova]

Sunspear: Desert
Yronwood: Desert mountains
Starfall: Mountains
Go ahead, keep on disregarding the OP's word, that'll serve you well.

I'm not disregarding.

Incase you forgot, they are coastal, which means a lot of fish and trade, particularly with the Free Cities. The Stormlands get far less trade, especially due to the bad conditions for ships.

And I'm not disregarding the OPs word, I'm providing a realistic analysis to help you fix your confused perspective.

Also to be noted is that almost all trade from Dorne to the Free Cities must go through the Stepstones, so must all trade from the Reach, Westerlands and the Iron Isles. This would bring about
A. Renegade pirates raiding
B. Pirate lords from the Stepstones raiding
C. Tolls from the Pirate lord of the Stepstones

[Zentrut]

Alright, now I understand why my argument is impossible. You're a Dorne fanboy. I'll stop trying to make points, then.

[Mormak]

Guys, can we please not fight?

[Socialist Czechia]

if anyone there hates own family, he can offer sister or daughter to Gedeon. He's still single, more precisely, with no Rock Wife. he's completely fine with just salt wives now.
but when he's now thinking about some cooperation with some greenlanders in new possibilities opened by Dany's death, its not a fantasy to try convince him.

[Zentrut]

Guys, can we please not fight?

Hey! Nice job taking that page outta my book. So have this

[Valentir]

So is House Hightower going to go against the Tyrells then?