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Postby Jade Confederacy » Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:35 pm

Logistica Suprema wrote:
Jade Confederacy wrote:@Lunas Legion: so was my hightower app accepted? (page 32)


About that . . .

Two things.

One: House Brightwater does not wield a fourth of the Reach's forces. I simply must protest to that notion, as it would leave the Houses of Crane, Florent, Fossoway, Mullendore, Oakheart, Redwyne, Rowan, Tarly, and Vyrwel, with an average of 5111 men each--an incredibly importable number, if one recalls that Redwyne and Florent are also powerful Houses.

Two: House Florent is deathly loyal to House Tyrell after Willas Tyrell restored them to Brightwater Keep. I do not think they would casually enter into a coup d'etat with House Brightwater.

I would also polite request--though this is not as important--that it be recognized that Willas Tyrell did not move his fleet to the Arbor out of demand. It was simply the most convenient choice.

Those are just Hightower's and it's vessel house's troops, which are not under the direct command of the Tyrells. The feudal system states that each lord commands a certain number to troops and they must put forth a fraction of that in support of their liege lord in times of war. The liege lords troops does not equal to all the troops that their vassals command. Its also 60 years since the war happened -that's plenty of time for the gratitude of the Florents for the Tyrells to fade and for the Hightowers to shove a wedge between the two houses again. Plus Hightower has blood ties to House Florent, which is stronger than any informal bond forged over half a centuries past. As for the fleet, im just working on what was put on the Tyrell app. It didnt state the reasons so i made up one.

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Postby Logistica Suprema » Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:45 pm

Jade Confederacy wrote:
Logistica Suprema wrote:
About that . . .

Two things.

One: House Brightwater does not wield a fourth of the Reach's forces. I simply must protest to that notion, as it would leave the Houses of Crane, Florent, Fossoway, Mullendore, Oakheart, Redwyne, Rowan, Tarly, and Vyrwel, with an average of 5111 men each--an incredibly importable number, if one recalls that Redwyne and Florent are also powerful Houses.

Two: House Florent is deathly loyal to House Tyrell after Willas Tyrell restored them to Brightwater Keep. I do not think they would casually enter into a coup d'etat with House Brightwater.

I would also polite request--though this is not as important--that it be recognized that Willas Tyrell did not move his fleet to the Arbor out of demand. It was simply the most convenient choice.

Those are just Hightower's and it's vessel house's troops, which are not under the direct command of the Tyrells. The feudal system states that each lord commands a certain number to troops and they must put forth a fraction of that in support of their liege lord in times of war. The liege lords troops does not equal to all the troops that their vassals command. Its also 60 years since the war happened -that's plenty of time for the gratitude of the Florents for the Tyrells to fade and for the Hightowers to shove a wedge between the two houses again. Plus Hightower has blood ties to House Florent, which is stronger than any informal bond forged over half a centuries past. As for the fleet, im just working on what was put on the Tyrell app. It didnt state the reasons so i made up one.


1: Still, it seems improbable, even with that understanding. Robb Stark barely raise 20,000 men when he marched south. Even in recognizing the might of House Hightower, I think it is safe to say that their might does not exceed the might of an entire Kingdom.

2: I concede the point, understanding what you are saying. Under a minute point of interest, Willas Tyrell did not restore House Florent immediately. It was after the birth of his son, so I imagine it was closer to thirty years ago. That would have made his son Mace Tyrell ten at the time.

3: Understandably, and I appreciate the creativity. :) Do recognize, though, that it was not for the reason stated.

And, perhaps in the recognition that the Reach is stronger united, a tie might be brought between the Houses Tyrell and Brightwater. A fierce enemy is also a valuable friend. Garlan Tyrell has a younger brother; Garth Hightower has a young daughter. I have no doubt that Loras would enjoy seeing the Arbor, as well.
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Postby Socialist Czechia » Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:53 pm

Stark dynasties and Tullies received letters from Iron King. Can anyone respond? :lol:
"Those who reached my boundary, their seed is not; their hearts and their souls are finished forever and ever. As for those who had assembled before them on the sea, the full flame was their front before the harbour mouths, and a wall of metal upon the shore surrounded them. They were dragged, overturned, and laid low upon the beach; slain and made heaps from stern to bow of their galleys, while all their things were cast upon the water." - Ramesses III., Battle of the Delta

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Postby Keznov » Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:53 pm

Socialist Czechia wrote:Stark dynasties and Tullies received letters from Iron King. Can anyone respond? :lol:


I'll respond in a bit.
And who are you, the proud lord said,
that I must bow so low?
Only a cat of a different coat,
that's all the truth I know.
In a coat of gold or a coat of red,
a lion still has claws,
And mine are long and sharp, my lord,
as long and sharp as yours.
And so he spoke, and so he spoke,
that lord of Castamere,
But now the rains weep o'er his hall,
with no one there to hear.
Yes now the rains weep o'er his hall,
and not a soul to hear.

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Postby Arlye Austros » Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:54 pm

The Bog Devils are waiting those raiders :P
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Postby Mormak » Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:05 pm

Socialist Czechia wrote:Stark dynasties and Tullies received letters fromIron King. Can anyone respond? :lol:


You mean Lord Delusion of Kingship.

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Postby Zentrut » Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:08 pm

Mormak wrote:
Socialist Czechia wrote:Stark dynasties and Tullies received letters fromIron King. Can anyone respond? :lol:


You mean Lord Delusion of Kingship.

You do know the Ironborn have been independent for more than half a century, right?

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Postby Rephesus » Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:09 pm

A Martell-Tyrell marriage? That's laughable.

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Postby Mormak » Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:11 pm

Zentrut wrote:
Mormak wrote:
You mean Lord Delusion of Kingship.

You do know the Ironborn have been independent for more than half a century, right?


The C.S.A were Independent for five years.

You have point? Independnece means little unless if you maintain the alliances and power required to sustain it. Those Raiders seek not the power of Dorne, Casterly Rock nor High Garden, They seek to sup with Wolves and Trout.

Rephesus wrote:A Martell-Tyrell marriage? That's laughable.


Would you have said that of a Martell/Lannister Marriage?

Kevan's adorable, Little darker then most of Westeros but still has those killer eyes and blond hair :P

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Postby Zentrut » Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:14 pm

Mormak wrote:
Zentrut wrote:You do know the Ironborn have been independent for more than half a century, right?


The C.S.A were Independent for five years.

You have point? Independnece means little unless if you maintain the alliances and power required to sustain it. Those Raiders seek not the power of Dorne, Casterly Rock nor High Garden, They seek to sup with Wolves and Trout.

Rephesus wrote:A Martell-Tyrell marriage? That's laughable.


Would you have said that of a Martell/Lannister Marriage?

Kevan's adorable, Little darker then most of Westeros but still has those killer eyes and blond hair :P

Dorne? More powerful than the North or Riverlands? Uh-hu?

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Postby Socialist Czechia » Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:15 pm

Zentrut wrote:
Mormak wrote:
You mean Lord Delusion of Kingship.

You do know the Ironborn have been independent for more than half a century, right?



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"Those who reached my boundary, their seed is not; their hearts and their souls are finished forever and ever. As for those who had assembled before them on the sea, the full flame was their front before the harbour mouths, and a wall of metal upon the shore surrounded them. They were dragged, overturned, and laid low upon the beach; slain and made heaps from stern to bow of their galleys, while all their things were cast upon the water." - Ramesses III., Battle of the Delta

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Postby Mormak » Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:16 pm

Zentrut wrote:
Mormak wrote:
The C.S.A were Independent for five years.

You have point? Independnece means little unless if you maintain the alliances and power required to sustain it. Those Raiders seek not the power of Dorne, Casterly Rock nor High Garden, They seek to sup with Wolves and Trout.



Would you have said that of a Martell/Lannister Marriage?

Kevan's adorable, Little darker then most of Westeros but still has those killer eyes and blond hair :P

Dorne? More powerful than the North or Riverlands? Uh-hu?


The House of Martell is a far sight easier to rally under then the Northmen.

Possibly because they do not have bannermen on the edge of the world.

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Postby Krumbia » Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:17 pm

So no one objects to Lord Dilon Hardyng-Stark being Warden of the East?

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Postby Zentrut » Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:17 pm

Krumbia wrote:So no one objects to Lord Dilon Hardyng-Stark being Warden of the East?

The Lord Paramount of the Vale has always been Warden of the East.

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Postby Mormak » Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:19 pm

Zentrut wrote:
Krumbia wrote:So no one objects to Lord Dilon Hardyng-Stark being Warden of the East?

The Lord Paramount of the Vale has always been Warden of the East.


Indeed, Although the dragon queen could have changed that, She bestowed the title of Warden of the West back to the Lannisters.

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Postby Logistica Suprema » Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:19 pm

Rephesus wrote:A Martell-Tyrell marriage? That's laughable.


I would not be so sure. Trystane Martell wants peace, and peace cannot be had with a Tyrell army standing between your own host and the Lannister's. I believe House Dayne has been the first step already, ushering in a new age of bondage between Dorne and the Reach. I believe Lady Nymyne Costayne-Dayne has seen to that.
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Postby Krumbia » Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:19 pm

Zentrut wrote:
Krumbia wrote:So no one objects to Lord Dilon Hardyng-Stark being Warden of the East?

The Lord Paramount of the Vale has always been Warden of the East.

Indeed, but who knows what would happen in 60+ years, with House Arryn being dissolved and other such events. Anyway, I'm fine with that - just checking.

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Postby Rephesus » Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:19 pm

Mormak wrote:
Rephesus wrote:A Martell-Tyrell marriage? That's laughable.


Would you have said that of a Martell/Lannister Marriage?

Kevan's adorable, Little darker then most of Westeros but still has those killer eyes and blond hair :P


Of course not, Myrcella is the current Lady of Sunspear, is she not? Plus the Dornish loved Tyrion, who raised Tommen. So long as the Lannisters don't make a claim to the throne or start a war, I'm sure an alliance would develop.

And Dorne is easily one of the strongest houses. The North was devastated first by the war of 5 kings, and again (more severely) by the Other Invasion, the majority of their population would've died from that and they would have a significantly smaller military. The Riverlands would be somewhat stronger, but the war hurt them swell. In contrast. Dorne was left almost untouched.

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Postby Zentrut » Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:19 pm

Logistica Suprema wrote:
Rephesus wrote:A Martell-Tyrell marriage? That's laughable.


I would not be so sure. Trystane Martell wants peace, and peace cannot be had with a Tyrell army standing between your own host and the Lannister's. I believe House Dayne has been the first step already, ushering in a new age of bondage between Dorne and the Reach. I believe Lady Nymyne Costayne-Dayne has seen to that.

Hehe bondage…

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Postby Zentrut » Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:21 pm

Rephesus wrote:
Mormak wrote:


Would you have said that of a Martell/Lannister Marriage?

Kevan's adorable, Little darker then most of Westeros but still has those killer eyes and blond hair :P


Of course not, Myrcella is the current Lady of Sunspear, is she not? Plus the Dornish loved Tyrion, who raised Tommen. So long as the Lannisters don't make a claim to the throne or start a war, I'm sure an alliance would develop.

And Dorne is easily one of the strongest houses. The North was devastated first by the war of 5 kings, and again (more severely) by the Other Invasion, the majority of their population would've died from that and they would have a significantly smaller military. The Riverlands would be somewhat stronger, but the war hurt them swell. In contrast. Dorne was left almost untouched.

Dorne is still 7th of the 9 regions of Westeros, the North would be inhabited by Wildlings, and the Riverlands repopulate quickly. Dorne could still beat out the Iron Isles and the Crownlands though.

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Postby Rephesus » Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:22 pm

Logistica Suprema wrote:
Rephesus wrote:A Martell-Tyrell marriage? That's laughable.


I would not be so sure. Trystane Martell wants peace, and peace cannot be had with a Tyrell army standing between your own host and the Lannister's. I believe House Dayne has been the first step already, ushering in a new age of bondage between Dorne and the Reach. I believe Lady Nymyne Costayne-Dayne has seen to that.


Yes, she married into the Three Towers, Not Highgarden. The Costayne's aren't the most loyal bannermen.

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Postby Keznov » Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:23 pm

Rephesus wrote:
Mormak wrote:


Would you have said that of a Martell/Lannister Marriage?

Kevan's adorable, Little darker then most of Westeros but still has those killer eyes and blond hair :P


Of course not, Myrcella is the current Lady of Sunspear, is she not? Plus the Dornish loved Tyrion, who raised Tommen. So long as the Lannisters don't make a claim to the throne or start a war, I'm sure an alliance would develop.

And Dorne is easily one of the strongest houses. The North was devastated first by the war of 5 kings, and again (more severely) by the Other Invasion, the majority of their population would've died from that and they would have a significantly smaller military. The Riverlands would be somewhat stronger, but the war hurt them swell. In contrast. Dorne was left almost untouched.


It was already explained that the Other Invasion did not see them occupy and exterminate, instead they rushed south and hoped to defeat the armies opposed to them before exterminating. So we didn't lose that much life, the most damage was material and that can always be replaced, especially 60 years down the line...
And who are you, the proud lord said,
that I must bow so low?
Only a cat of a different coat,
that's all the truth I know.
In a coat of gold or a coat of red,
a lion still has claws,
And mine are long and sharp, my lord,
as long and sharp as yours.
And so he spoke, and so he spoke,
that lord of Castamere,
But now the rains weep o'er his hall,
with no one there to hear.
Yes now the rains weep o'er his hall,
and not a soul to hear.

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Postby Jade Confederacy » Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:24 pm

So what are the current faction aiming for the Iron throne?
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Postby Logistica Suprema » Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:26 pm

Rephesus wrote:
Logistica Suprema wrote:
I would not be so sure. Trystane Martell wants peace, and peace cannot be had with a Tyrell army standing between your own host and the Lannister's. I believe House Dayne has been the first step already, ushering in a new age of bondage between Dorne and the Reach. I believe Lady Nymyne Costayne-Dayne has seen to that.


Yes, she married into the Three Towers, Not Highgarden. The Costayne's aren't the most loyal bannermen.


How could they not be loyal? They are paving a road that should have been built long ago. It is time for the Reach and Dorne to recognize that they are stronger together than apart. Where would House Martell be today, I ask, had not their founder seen fit to accept the Rhoynar?
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Forewarning: Anything below this point is going to be either facetious, objectively irrelevant, fun RPs, or simply my personally ramblings.

I have learned how to exclaim my divinity in four languages. Soy un dios! Je suis un dieu! Ich bin ein Gott! I am a god! I find this to be proof of my divinity.

Anyway, some RPs:

Game of Thrones: Legacy
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Postby Keznov » Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:27 pm

Jade Confederacy wrote:So what are the current faction aiming for the Iron throne?


Only the Blackfyres publicly claim the Iron Throne. Otherwise Lord Stark and Lord Lannister both put forward their names for the regency, both were rejected and Tywin left, Rickon has put himself forth once again and is awaiting a response.
And who are you, the proud lord said,
that I must bow so low?
Only a cat of a different coat,
that's all the truth I know.
In a coat of gold or a coat of red,
a lion still has claws,
And mine are long and sharp, my lord,
as long and sharp as yours.
And so he spoke, and so he spoke,
that lord of Castamere,
But now the rains weep o'er his hall,
with no one there to hear.
Yes now the rains weep o'er his hall,
and not a soul to hear.

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