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Postby Mormak » Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:36 pm

Lunas Legion wrote:
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My biggest question is how would of Dany dealt with the Lannisters.... I know if it were me you would have restrictions on your mustering and how many ships you could have (with the Iron Isle indi I would of relaxed the ship part). I mean we are talking about the guys who killed her family, and betrayed her father, the king at the time. As well I would of been taking a lot of your wealth from you, as to pay off the debt to the crown that the lannisters helped build up


That's all Tyrion's doing. Dany presumed (rightly) he was relatively trustworthy, as he helped her deal with her dragons in terms of things like feeding, housing, riding, dragonsaddles...



That too of course <_,< The Imp helped.

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Postby Rephesus » Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:36 pm

Mormak wrote:So the wealth and strength of Casterly remains.


Wealth, less so, but strength, definitely.

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Postby Givious » Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:36 pm

Lunas Legion wrote:
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My biggest question is how would of Dany dealt with the Lannisters.... I know if it were me you would have restrictions on your mustering and how many ships you could have (with the Iron Isle indi I would of relaxed the ship part). I mean we are talking about the guys who killed her family, and betrayed her father, the king at the time. As well I would of been taking a lot of your wealth from you, as to pay off the debt to the crown that the lannisters helped build up


That's all Tyrion's doing. Dany presumed (rightly) he was relatively trustworthy, as he helped her deal with her dragons in terms of things like feeding, housing, riding, dragonsaddles...


They have seemed to be more of Tommen's dynasty from what I've seen.
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Postby Valentir » Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:37 pm

The Reach is far more like France than Italy.

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Postby Rephesus » Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:37 pm

Givious wrote:
Lunas Legion wrote:
That's all Tyrion's doing. Dany presumed (rightly) he was relatively trustworthy, as he helped her deal with her dragons in terms of things like feeding, housing, riding, dragonsaddles...


They have seemed to be more of Tommen's dynasty from what I've seen.


Tommen was basically raised by Tyrion after Dany's Landing.

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Postby Lunas Legion » Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:38 pm

Givious wrote:
Lunas Legion wrote:
That's all Tyrion's doing. Dany presumed (rightly) he was relatively trustworthy, as he helped her deal with her dragons in terms of things like feeding, housing, riding, dragonsaddles...


They have seemed to be more of Tommen's dynasty from what I've seen.


They are; but Dany doesn't hold children responsible for the sins of their fathers.
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Postby Givious » Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:38 pm

Mormak wrote:Lannister more then paid for whatever petty crimes it committed during the war of Kings.


Petty???
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Postby Mormak » Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:38 pm

Givious wrote:
Lunas Legion wrote:
That's all Tyrion's doing. Dany presumed (rightly) he was relatively trustworthy, as he helped her deal with her dragons in terms of things like feeding, housing, riding, dragonsaddles...


They have seemed to be more of Tommen's dynasty from what I've seen.


Tyrion became Lord of Casterly Rock but he died without Heir and the nearest appointment of Blood was Tommen's Child.

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Mormak wrote:Lannister more then paid for whatever petty crimes it committed during the war of Kings.


Petty???


Indeed.

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Postby Valentir » Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:40 pm

The Lannisters committed heinous crimes during the War of the Five Kings. Petty is a weak word. Horrific is far more fitting.

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Postby Mormak » Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:40 pm

Rephesus wrote:
Mormak wrote:So the wealth and strength of Casterly remains.


Wealth, less so, but strength, definitely.



Well as i said Casterly forgave its prior loans to the Throne, and therefore much of its promised income, but the gold mines are still flowing richly and the Vassal houses still pay tribute.

They are not as wealthy as they were under Tywin the first during the final year of his reign in 299AL, But we aren't poppers.

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Postby Mormak » Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:41 pm

Valentir wrote:The Lannisters committed heinous crimes during the War of the Five Kings. Petty is a weak word. Horrific is far more fitting.


List them shall you! :P

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Postby Imperium Nova » Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:41 pm

Did any dromonds from Aurane's fleet survive? Or will there have to be built new ones?

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Postby New Frenco Empire » Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:42 pm

See, Dorne is pretty much in a pact of friendship with Casterly Rock since these Lannisters are descended from Tryion, who the Red Viper died to defend, and not the monster Tywin who murdered Ellia and her children. I take it Dany had the same idea.
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Postby Socialist Czechia » Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:42 pm

typical lannister way of thinking. gold can't solve everything, no one will forget or forgive something no matter how much gold they sent.

i dare to say, that even after 60 years of trying, Lannisters aren't popular so much...

i am also curious what would/will happen when their gold mines will be depleted :lol: you know, that no mines are bottomless, yes?
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Postby Givious » Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:42 pm

Mormak wrote:
Valentir wrote:The Lannisters committed heinous crimes during the War of the Five Kings. Petty is a weak word. Horrific is far more fitting.


List them shall you! :P


Do we really have to?
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Postby Valentir » Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:44 pm

Socialist Czechia wrote:typical lannister way of thinking. gold can't solve everything, no one will forget or forgive something no matter how much gold they sent.

i dare to say, that even after 60 years of trying, Lannisters aren't popular so much...

i am also curious what would/will happen when their gold mines will be depleted :lol: you know, that no mines are bottomless, yes?

Apparently they are. Even after 60 fucking years they are still flowing. And they no longer control the Gold Mines of Castamere either.

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Postby Rephesus » Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:46 pm

Valentir wrote:
Socialist Czechia wrote:typical lannister way of thinking. gold can't solve everything, no one will forget or forgive something no matter how much gold they sent.

i dare to say, that even after 60 years of trying, Lannisters aren't popular so much...

i am also curious what would/will happen when their gold mines will be depleted :lol: you know, that no mines are bottomless, yes?

Apparently they are. Even after 60 fucking years they are still flowing. And they no longer control the Gold Mines of Castamere either.


Lannisters shit gold, did you forget?

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Postby Valentir » Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:47 pm

Rephesus wrote:
Valentir wrote:Apparently they are. Even after 60 fucking years they are still flowing. And they no longer control the Gold Mines of Castamere either.


Lannisters shit gold, did you forget?

Of course. I forgot. They have all the gold in the world! They can buy the world and rule everything! Let's let Mormak have all the power because he has all the gold! Bow down to the Lannisters and their gold!

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Postby Lunas Legion » Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:50 pm

Imperium Nova wrote:Did any dromonds from Aurane's fleet survive? Or will there have to be built new ones?


They're still around. Aurane bolted before his fleet was engaged by the Ironborn after smashing the Redwynes.
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Postby Arlye Austros » Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:51 pm

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Socialist Czechia wrote:
I think Dorne is kinda Greece and Anatolia combined.

Or Spain? I never agreed with comparison maps of Europe-Westeros...let's see:

- North (Scandinavia)
- Vale (Alps-Germany)
- Westerlands (South France)
- Riverlands (Benelux, pieces of France and Germany)
- Crown Lands (Dalmatia)
- Stormlands (Carpathians)
- Reach (Italy)
- Iron Islands (Ireland)
- Bear Island (Iceland)
- Arbor (Sicily)
- Dorne (Greece-Anatolia/Spain)

Legit?


In terms of Culture.


Actually, I believe it goes like this:
-North: Scandinavia
-Vale: North Italy, Alpine France (In the series looks like a fairly refined court, so french and Italy looks good, but not too mediterranean)
-Westerlands: England, near Wales. (Lannisters are inspired partially in Lancasters and in the Tudor dynasties, originated in that region. Also, hills would fit Wales into that area).
-Riverlands: German/French border, maybe Belgium. (Not only wet, but also a border region. Feels like Poland)
-Crownlands: No idea, maybe Normandy?
-Stormlands: Asturias, Cantabrian Spain/Ireland (Battered Coast and also the fact they historically stand against Dornishmen, just as Asturias and northern Spain stood vs Muslims, feels suitable)
-Reach: France (Fairly flat in most parts, also France seems, just as the Reach, to be the craddle of the classical medieval topics of court love, chivalry and such stuff. Although Italy would fit due to Oldtown-Rome similitudes)
-Iron Islands: Ireland (No question there :P)
-Bear Island: Iceland.
-Arbor: Sicily, Malta (Pretty much any mediterranean wine-producing island)
-Dorne: Spain (Again, Muslim domination, semi-arid terrain in Andalucia and a cultural clash seems to be very close to Dornish overal profile)


Of course, all subjective, and only my personal opinion.
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Postby Givious » Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:51 pm

Lunas Legion wrote:
Imperium Nova wrote:Did any dromonds from Aurane's fleet survive? Or will there have to be built new ones?


They're still around. Aurane bolted before his fleet was engaged by the Ironborn after smashing the Redwynes.


They would be in the stepstones, so under the Blackfryes most likely... or for hire
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Postby Mormak » Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:55 pm

Valentir wrote:
Rephesus wrote:
Lannisters shit gold, did you forget?

Of course. I forgot. They have all the gold in the world! They can buy the world and rule everything! Let's let Mormak have all the power because he has all the gold! Bow down to the Lannisters and their gold!


Exactly!

Valentir wrote:
Rephesus wrote:
Lannisters shit gold, did you forget?

Of course. I forgot. They have all the gold in the world! They can buy the world and rule everything! Let's let Mormak have all the power because he has all the gold! Bow down to the Lannisters and their gold!


Lunsas confirmed they kept their GOT output of Gold which is quite a bit.

Its a long lasting mining operation by the standards of today, but back in the era GOT would be comparable to in our own reality? Unless if you were actively pushing for depletion mines could often be used for decades if not centuries. The Kolar gold fields were in usage by at least 1 BC and are still in use today, they have made many new mines obviously, but the region still has gold today, even after being in use for more then two thousand years.
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Postby Socialist Czechia » Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:58 pm

Arlye Austros wrote:
Rephesus wrote:
In terms of Culture.


Actually, I believe it goes like this:
-North: Scandinavia
-Vale: North Italy, Alpine France (In the series looks like a fairly refined court, so french and Italy looks good, but not too mediterranean)
-Westerlands: England, near Wales. (Lannisters are inspired partially in Lancasters and in the Tudor dynasties, originated in that region. Also, hills would fit Wales into that area).
-Riverlands: German/French border, maybe Belgium. (Not only wet, but also a border region. Feels like Poland)
-Crownlands: No idea, maybe Normandy?
-Stormlands: Asturias, Cantabrian Spain/Ireland (Battered Coast and also the fact they historically stand against Dornishmen, just as Asturias and northern Spain stood vs Muslims, feels suitable)
-Reach: France (Fairly flat in most parts, also France seems, just as the Reach, to be the craddle of the classical medieval topics of court love, chivalry and such stuff. Although Italy would fit due to Oldtown-Rome similitudes)
-Iron Islands: Ireland (No question there :P)
-Bear Island: Iceland.
-Arbor: Sicily, Malta (Pretty much any mediterranean wine-producing island)
-Dorne: Spain (Again, Muslim domination, semi-arid terrain in Andalucia and a cultural clash seems to be very close to Dornish overal profile)
Of course, all subjective, and only my personal opinion.


Crownlands should be decently warm place. Not warm as Greece, but still no Baltic Sea or La Manche.
I always imagined Croatia or Black Sea coast.

And North can be also Russia :D And Siberia is land beyond the Wall :P
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Postby Mormak » Wed Apr 30, 2014 1:07 pm

Huh...I just noticed the Tyrell player has yet to post at all...Odd.

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Postby Lunas Legion » Wed Apr 30, 2014 1:07 pm

Mormak wrote:Huh...I just noticed the Tyrell player has yet to post at all...Odd.


I'll TG them.
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